I got a Warning There are two sides to every story

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jftman said:
Bench...
I posted in his thread that he would not reply or respond with a "proof of life" pic.
I know why that is wrong.
It did lead to his wasted time and loss of sale.

I Have done a good deal of buying.
I have really tried to tailor my comms to a simple form.
But The way it seems,
Asking for anything after the commitment is a reason to be labled
Trouble.

Really what goes on should be between the two parties,
Based on understanding that neither is headed towards backing out or changing anything.

In fact the "conditions" after the commitment aught to be
The easiest to satisfy.
Bcuz the buyer wants the item more than his money
And same for the seller who wants the money.

A scammer has no investment or anything to lose,
Why act like there is?
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Most people discuss terms before an agreement is made, not after.

Think of it this way. How would you feel if the seller asked for 2 forms of photo ID from the buyer to ensure they are not selling to a minor. Maybe a pic of your drivers license and house with street address to know they are shipping to the right person. Proof of Life. All after you agreed upon terms.

Sure that example may be a little exaggerated yet the point remains. Asking questions and setting terms come first in an agreement.
 
Cardo was seller of zt0770 m390 $135.00 here is a link from his activity page.
I didn't go through them looking for the place where I posted in "our" sales thread, but it is said that we didn't have a deal.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/331812-cardo?tab=visitor_messaging#visitor_messaging

From here click Cardo's Activity

It would be edited by the Mods prolly.
My post in it was saying he wouldn't send a pic (showing an object in the pic like keys)
He wouldn't reply and that he added the words,
He would take extra pics if asked.

After the fact.......... But honestly I can't be sure if that part was there originally.
He just told me he would move on.
I said he could have treated me better.
We did everything by private email.
 
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This is where we parted in our co-operation.

Feel better bub?

James Thorman

On Mar 14, 2016, at 11:19 PM, wrote:

TLDR: I'll move on to the next buyer.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 8:15 PM, wrote:
Cardo,
If you can agree to this we can have a deal.
I pretty much go this route for assurances on both the sell and buyer.
Really not much to ask, IMO

If You aren't comfortable with using your car keys, any object of your choice is OK.
I'll send You an example pic next.
I like it for my address to be shown in the photo along with our user names
That is verification that it is correct.

Can we go down this road together? It's not alot of money but it is how I feel
Comfortable. Ya know some guys don't bother,
Especially if they get a second chance offer.......
And that is fine with me if better for You



Ok good. Just ask that you send a pic with your car keys in the pic.
With piece of paper giving our BF user names and show my address below.

Then when you ship a pic of the postoffice doc and give tracking number.

I agree to send you net $135.00 to your email address when You can send that
Sellers info pic for our records.
I will keep our email on my device until it lands.
I ask you to do the same.

It is refreshing being able to buy sell off ebay without the fees.
I always leave good feedback.
I will email you with the link for our feedback when It arrives.

Thanks For All
James
 
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz03Nn07TXgbS1RxMG51ZWVEMUE/view

Example pic I sent Cardo


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I am unable to get the pic to pop up and I'm hoping to try another time.
I am just making the same mistakes.

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jftman said:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz03Nn07TXgbS1RxMG51ZWVEMUE/view

Example pic I sent Cardo


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I am unable to get the pic to pop up and I'm hoping to try another time.
I am just making the same mistakes.
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^ Personally, I can appreciate the fact that you're the type of person whom needs reassuring- there's definitely nothing wrong with that. Regardless, in the future, you should make this request sent in a PM to the seller before hand...stating I'd be happy to purchase your knife, provided you fulfill one simple request. Doing this from this day forward, I don't think that you'll have any future problems here. :thumbup:

Best of luck, OP.
 
Traditionally, this sort of disagreement gets sorted out in Feedback / GBU, Not Tech Support. So that's where I'm moving it.
 
Stainless hit the nail on the head on the first page. The seller makes the decision on who to sell to. It really is that simple. You got a warning for mucking up the thread after he said he'd move on. It's just a warning and carries no points. More of a "please don't do this" than anything.

It's easy to understand your concerns, but the second Cardo said he wasn't interested in your conditions that should've been the end of it.
 
Just take the warning...
I have been given a warning...
Warnings are there to prevent you & me :D from continuing down a
path of reputation self destruction.
Seller can sell to anyone.
You jumped the gun. Saw something you wanted. I'LL TAKE IT!!
You say... All of a sudden you think geez, I didn't check his profile...
or his exchange rating...
And I'm new...
And by becoming a nuisance he sold to someone ready to purchase.
And now you're upset that you didn't get what you're after...
It seems there is the side of the sellers simple post of something for sale.
And the side you try to convince everyone of why you should still get the item.
It sounds like sour grapes...
Ask prior to purchase.
Simple...
My .02 cents Cdn...
 
Classic case of information asymmetry. If you stay in the collecting business long enough, you are exceedingly likely to encounter various problems/issues while trading. This happens to the best of us. Just clarify before you buy. Know exactly what you are getting. Ask yourself if the vendor can be trusted. Do your homework prior to your shopping spree.

Caveat emptor.
 
scoutchris said:
It's a pocket knife, not a human. I wouldn't have sold you the knife at that point, either. It's not worth the hassle dealing with someone like you. If you are asking for proof of life photos before receiving the knife and after committing to purchase it, who knows what weird stuff you'll pull when you get it in hand and find a hair from my German Shepherd in the liner or something.
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What he said. The Seller avoided problems dealing with you. Just look at your posts here in this thread.

Thanks Mitch
 
Ask not what the (buyer/seller) can do for you rather ask what you can do for the (buyer/seller)

2squared situations, taken where (Blade Forum) community delegates power to the seller
As the buyer well well knows,
No matter if you are are the A Alpha Not on my watch guy or a dope.

KISS be the one on the particular side who isn't eager to dissapoint.
 
There seems to be an echo. But it is the reality of the matter, make any stipulations you have/requests upon which your completion of the deal hinge upon BEFORE saying "I Will Take It" or at least say "I will take it pending the stipulations sent via PM/Email", that makes your position to everyone clear and allows the Seller to manage the sale as he or she wishes. For $135 and with another buyer waiting, it is most understandable that a Seller may not want to enter into a deal with you. Your warning for positing in the thread was not, on face value, about the deal going south but about breaching a long standing rule about posting in a For Sale thread as you did. Entirely separate matters.

If your "Proof of Life" picture is an essential to you it is something that you need to put out there to a seller BEFORE you give a firm "Ill Take It" simple as that.
 
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6850 said:
Just take the warning...
I have been given a warning...
Warnings are there to prevent you & me :D from continuing down a
path of reputation self destruction.
My .02 cents Cdn...
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Don't take it personal 1100, from what I've gathered, BladeForums gives all Canadians a warning as soon as they join here. It's nothing personal, Eh! We just need to keep you guys in check (GO LA KINGS!) ;)

Edit: And BTW- what is the exchange rate for .02 Canadian? Zero? :confused: ;)

jftman said:
Ask not what the (buyer/seller) can do for you rather ask what you can do for the (buyer/seller)
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^ Now you're getting it...however, this is on the border of being too political. ;)
 
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I am sure the seller said something akin to this.......thank God I moved on......and I don't blame him.
Any stipulations should be stated before the 'I'll take it'....period.
Joe
 
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