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I got a Warning There are two sides to every story
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Take your own advice and stop being difficult. If you "take" and item and ask for payment instructions, then pay without all of the unneeded demands. As every single person to comment so far has pointed out, you had to go and screw things up.
Hey. If I break the rule I should get the heat.
As stated Any good thing closes more trouble than it would open.
If Your seller has no intention of sending an item,
Where are You without some electronic record? Timestamps, agreements, photos.
These things cops can muddle through.
A lie of simply agreeing to keep email until delivered is CHECKABLE if there is a cop willing to
Do something.
You don't demean or degrade the rep of someone from being assured. And one isn't going to be humiliated
By working with a buyer.
I totally agree all stipulation up to the commitment is / will / must be done before commitment.
A proof of life photo is not pre commitment stuff.
If a seller intends to burn You, even if one asked pre commitment for a certain view pic,
The seller still can not ship or ship a piece of junk. But say he didn't.
I'm not overly being paranoid. Just saying that during the closing comms IF the buyer FEELS
Like a proof of life pic is wanted, then once given he isn't going to tend to back out but go ahead.
Imo, the forum should put some responsibility on the seller to comply as a courtesy, a recommendation, not a mandate.
Because more troubles are closed than opened and that is my point.
Consider that, and not something the buyer needed pre commitment but in closing based on further dealing with the seller.
As stated by me earlier, the closing should be the easiest part of the deal
Especially if both sides throw out defensive actions and language that would cause the seller to deem the buyer
Unreasonable.
Why is it not better if both sides did what can be done with a perspective for where the deal has gotten to at the time.?
A proof of life pic is from a distance, not asked for to show condition, it means the item is in the sellers posession. Surely if a scammer could represent "his" stuff on line with a pic,
How hard is it to just post a pic these days?
Q.E.D. Q.E.D. Q.E.D. Q.E.D
Likewise how hard is it to do a pic for the found buyer because he'd like to be assured at closing.
100 dollars 1500 dollars? Something seems off?
As stated Any good thing closes more trouble than it would open.
If Your seller has no intention of sending an item,
Where are You without some electronic record? Timestamps, agreements, photos.
These things cops can muddle through.
A lie of simply agreeing to keep email until delivered is CHECKABLE if there is a cop willing to
Do something.
You don't demean or degrade the rep of someone from being assured. And one isn't going to be humiliated
By working with a buyer.
I totally agree all stipulation up to the commitment is / will / must be done before commitment.
A proof of life photo is not pre commitment stuff.
If a seller intends to burn You, even if one asked pre commitment for a certain view pic,
The seller still can not ship or ship a piece of junk. But say he didn't.
I'm not overly being paranoid. Just saying that during the closing comms IF the buyer FEELS
Like a proof of life pic is wanted, then once given he isn't going to tend to back out but go ahead.
Imo, the forum should put some responsibility on the seller to comply as a courtesy, a recommendation, not a mandate.
Because more troubles are closed than opened and that is my point.
Consider that, and not something the buyer needed pre commitment but in closing based on further dealing with the seller.
As stated by me earlier, the closing should be the easiest part of the deal
Especially if both sides throw out defensive actions and language that would cause the seller to deem the buyer
Unreasonable.
Why is it not better if both sides did what can be done with a perspective for where the deal has gotten to at the time.?
A proof of life pic is from a distance, not asked for to show condition, it means the item is in the sellers posession. Surely if a scammer could represent "his" stuff on line with a pic,
How hard is it to just post a pic these days?
Q.E.D. Q.E.D. Q.E.D. Q.E.D
Likewise how hard is it to do a pic for the found buyer because he'd like to be assured at closing.
100 dollars 1500 dollars? Something seems off?
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If you say "I will take it," you have already agreed that "it" exists for your taking. If you doubt that "it" exists, you are promoting your own existential problem by claiming that it does by claiming it. Therefore, if it does not actually exist, you are culpable in the issue by your own assertion of its existence.
i think you think the seller owes you something. you asked for a poll. i think your questions have already been answered. seems like you just want someone to agree with you.
the seller "did what can be done"....he sold his knife. that's all he was trying to do.
the seller "did what can be done"....he sold his knife. that's all he was trying to do.
Yes. My best answer is that I would post I will take it on the condition of the email sent.
Then the seller can proceed to by pass me at will.
Nothing can be any better than that,
Fixed by words,
Not fixed by person to person co-operation with in some structure that is agreeable.
Then the seller can proceed to by pass me at will.
Nothing can be any better than that,
Fixed by words,
Not fixed by person to person co-operation with in some structure that is agreeable.
Hey let's do a emogee thingy that lives in our profile that indicates it's OK for me to be asked for a proof of life pic because I'm a big responsible self assured person that isn't derailed by such action.
That sounds pretty goooooood...... Then maybe some A alpha males don't need to beat around the bush,
While a great question is slowly answered with the greatest amount of PAIN
That sounds pretty goooooood...... Then maybe some A alpha males don't need to beat around the bush,
While a great question is slowly answered with the greatest amount of PAIN
you're still missing the point. the first thing you said...that IS the cooperation. there is structure.
just because there are no personal emails exchanged, that does not mean there is no cooperation. indeed, the cooperation is an inherent part of the structure of the exchange. if you have questions or want more pics, you post, PM or email. if you post "i'll take it", that means you're all set and you are ready to send payment.
i think that has all been covered. YOU were the one that did not "co-operate" with the "structure". i am confused what you are looking for at this point.
Let's see if we can make this as simple as possible since you stated that you like quick and easy transactions:
1. Look at exchange threads.
2. Ask all questions you have for items that interest you.
3. If you want an item, follow the seller's rules for expressing your willingness to purchase.
4. Pay for the item.
All of your babbling responses have nothing to do with the fact that you did not follow the simple 4 step process and got passed over. No poll needed.
1. Look at exchange threads.
2. Ask all questions you have for items that interest you.
3. If you want an item, follow the seller's rules for expressing your willingness to purchase.
4. Pay for the item.
All of your babbling responses have nothing to do with the fact that you did not follow the simple 4 step process and got passed over. No poll needed.
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This really is quite simple.
1. You see a knife you wish to buy.
2. Send the seller a message/email stating you will take it if a picture you want is supplied.
Then either
a) Seller provides the pic, and payment instructions, you pay, seller ships
or
b) Seller does not wish to (there are more reason for this than just the nefarious you suggest) and has a firm "I'll Take It" from another and chooses to sell to that person.
Transactions with such interactions take place on his forum every single day I would suggest (not your proof of life pic but other "I'll Take It If" scenarios) without issue. The seller will always and should always have control of the outcome of the interaction here as the item in question remains the property of that person until such time you pay for it. The should be no rule that prevents a seller choosing to whom they wish to sell.
What is not clear here ?
1. You see a knife you wish to buy.
2. Send the seller a message/email stating you will take it if a picture you want is supplied.
Then either
a) Seller provides the pic, and payment instructions, you pay, seller ships
or
b) Seller does not wish to (there are more reason for this than just the nefarious you suggest) and has a firm "I'll Take It" from another and chooses to sell to that person.
Transactions with such interactions take place on his forum every single day I would suggest (not your proof of life pic but other "I'll Take It If" scenarios) without issue. The seller will always and should always have control of the outcome of the interaction here as the item in question remains the property of that person until such time you pay for it. The should be no rule that prevents a seller choosing to whom they wish to sell.
What is not clear here ?
My sense says a bunch of smart people are sitting back
In silence while a lame arse argument goes ahead
It's easier to decieve the masses than to convince them in the perfect system
Hate relates, and spam is the form of hate in the digital age wears many faces
And safety in numbers.
A guy gets burned and the best reply is
"you should have done Your "homework""
In silence while a lame arse argument goes ahead
It's easier to decieve the masses than to convince them in the perfect system
Hate relates, and spam is the form of hate in the digital age wears many faces
And safety in numbers.
A guy gets burned and the best reply is
"you should have done Your "homework""
OP your order of operations are all messed up. You're applying your rules to a system that already has rules. You as the new guy don't get to set rules. A reply of I'll take it, is unconditional. That's it. If you have questions or doubt that's fine but the order of operation remains the same. You don't make the unconditional claim of I'll take it and get to ask questions.
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The OP just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper. The seller had every right to move on. It seems they definitely made the right call. Despite logic and dozens of different opinions, on and on the OP goes. Sometimes you know when folks will be a "problem". Nothing personal, but one more to add to my ignore list.
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