I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

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The only suspect one I see is JimConvex, which is a year old account with all posts in this one thread. Could be someone's alt.

As for Infi, it might have application somewhere else, but maybe nobody wants to bother machining or heat treating it. I'm sure there are many other well established steels being used in those other applications which are just too affordable and plentiful to bother switching to Infi and paying Jerry for its use. There aren't many knife steels, a whole lot of knives are made from steels which were meant for other things-like turbines. Hell, just look at how many steels are in knives that weren't designed for any kind of cutting, especially the stuff we do with knives.
 
You're not likely to have much luck soliciting offers from other industries as long as you aren't sure whether it's 1095 or 440C. If it's 1095 you might be able to sell it to a file manufacturer, but not if it's 440C; you can't get 440C hard enough to make a good file. If it's 440C you should try to sell it to some industry that uses stainless steels -- but they won't want 1095 because it has no corrosion resistance at all.

If this is my elbow I can use it to bend my arm. If it's a hole in the ground I can throw in people I meet at knife shows who claim to know 100x more about knives than I do. If it's a really deep hole maybe I'll never see those dorks again.

It's late at night. Maybe in the morning we'll decide we don't want to sell it to other industries at all....
 
anythingsharp said:
Have you guys noticed that many people supporting Strider and Busse on this thread have around 10 posts to each of their handles?Just another clue about who might be scrambling to do damage control;) Answer me this question at last,DOES A STEEL WITH INFI PROPERTIES HAVE APPLICATIONS OUTSIDE OF KNIFE BUSINESS????????????????Like construction,airspace,submarines etc?If yes,why aren`t there offers to Busse to let someone use this magical alloy?154CM for example is a jet turbine blade steel,might INFI serve better?ANYWHERE??????????????PS>I do not plan to ever make money in knife business ,that`s why I can talk and not care about how many enemies I make in the process,but people who all of you know have to laugh and whisper about it,since they have to play politics too to survive in this business.
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I'm sorry to see that this is your opinion. Last I checked, I had a few more than 10 posts to my name. I have owned Striders and I have owned many Busse's, Bark, Reeve, Swamp, and everything in between. I am not a metallurgic expert nor do I care to be. Busse, unlike other companies (and I'm not picking on any specific one) does not advertise to whom they sell their blades (i.e. military units) nor do they disclose the intricacies of their business, which I'm sure includes more than a few proposals from manufacturers, government agencies, etc. to use their proprietary steel on a fee basis. Like I said, I'm sure they do, but what proof do I have? None. What I do know is that of the probably 150 knives that I own, some of the LAST ones I would sell are my Busses (I've sold some but have kept more than I've sold). I've used most of them, and the ones that stand up to the most abuse and keep on asking for more are Busse.
 
Now we got ourselves a discussion.When a company starts using names like INFI,SR101,BS101 etc,they open themselves to any kind of suspicions,after all these steels can`t be found in any metallurgical books.How would you feel if a jeweler offered you a 10k gold ring,14k or 18k ring and then a 5000.00$ ring made from INFI?The quest for perfect steel with utmost hardness and toughness at the same time is an ancient one and this alloy will not be found on this planet.Busse offers us our ultimate dream and people(me included in the past) will succumb to the PR and pay ridiculous amounts to be able to hold this in our hands.Busse doesn`t disclose an awful lot of things and my opinion deserves to be paid in INFI dollars for his INFI steel.I gladly traded Busse for Siegles and I`m very happy holding a knife made by a great knifemaker and 100% honest man.
 
If I required that my 'ring' protect me in the most dire and varied of circumstaces, and hold up under a variety of conditions I would require that it be made of INFI. Not 10k, 14k, or any other k.
 
No,like everyone else including me you want to think that a perfect knife that would protect you in dire situations exists and you own it.I choose to believe at this point that I don`t have it nor does it exist anywhere in this galaxy or can be made from the elements in the Mendeleev system.
 
anythingsharp said:
Have you guys noticed that many people supporting Strider and Busse on this thread have around 10 posts to each of their handles?Just another clue about who might be scrambling to do damage control;) Answer me this question at last,DOES A STEEL WITH INFI PROPERTIES HAVE APPLICATIONS OUTSIDE OF KNIFE BUSINESS????????????????Like construction,airspace,submarines etc?If yes,why aren`t there offers to Busse to let someone use this magical alloy?154CM for example is a jet turbine blade steel,might INFI serve better?ANYWHERE??????????????PS>I do not plan to ever make money in knife business ,that`s why I can talk and not care about how many enemies I make in the process,but people who all of you know have to laugh and whisper about it,since they have to play politics too to survive in this business.
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The question is not: does it have applications outside the knife world, the question is: is it a good knife steel.
 
Here is what I believe about INFI,I`m not as radical as are some of the most knowlegeable , famous and angry people in the business who say it`s 440A(heard that)440C or 1095.I think it`s some A series steel like A8.The burden of proof lies on Busse,not me.It`s he who sells INFI and SR101 and wants my money,not the other way around.I`ve no idea about how good INFI steel it is(couldn`t afford to abuse one),I do know that I hate their designs and like many Strider designs,but hate Strider`s known steel.
 
anythingsharp said:
No,like everyone else including me you want to think that a perfect knife that would protect you in dire situations exists and you own it.I choose to believe at this point that I don`t have it nor does it exist anywhere in this galaxy or can be made from the elements in the Mendeleev system.
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As mentioned, I do not profess to be strong in the area of metallurgy, but I do know from 10th grade science class that Mendeleev left a number of blanks on his periodic table to account for undiscovered elements. Besides that, there is a finite number of elements in this galaxy - whether we know of all of them is another story. The point is that there surely MUST exist an element or combination thereof from which the perfect knife CAN be made, whether now or later. So we are left with the question "what is the best knife now?" (unless you have a time machine). The answer is obvious :D

Edited to add: I actually am not as biased as I seem. Different situations may require a different knife. Busse does not fit the bill in every area (read: folder), but they cover most bases. I prefer other knives for some tasks.
 
anythingsharp said:
.I gladly traded Busse for Siegles and I`m very happy holding a knife made by a great knifemaker and 100% honest man.
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I was at Blade West and guess who spent some time at the Busse table, with his wallet open? It starts with an S and ends with an E, with an IEGL in the middle. I also bought some of his knives there. VERY nice knives and would recommend him as a good knifemaker and a class act.
 
Wow, the breakdown of INFI is readily available and discussed. It seems that what does make it INFI is easily found on their site and commonly known to be designed for blade manufacture, not industrial tooling. But, hey, I'm just a fanboy. Although I've done the comparisons and research to end up here, reading posts that verge on or surpass idiocy. I traded up until I had the small amount of INFI I have. I use it, I love it and if you don't, try telling us in big people words or in pictures, how you are not able to find evidence of what makes Busse Combat special. Especially since you found your way to one of the largest information sources in the world with this little ol' space where, if you ask about a product (w/o derogatory comments w/ no merit), you will get answers.
 
Why can`t you make an INFI folder?The only folder I own is a Greco raptor from 3/16" stock of 8670.I paid 55.00 and it`s 10X the knife of the Sebenza,also a framelock,but all steel.
 
anythingsharp said:
Here is what I believe about INFI,I`m not as radical as are some of the most knowlegeable , famous and angry people in the business who say it`s 440A(heard that)440C or 1095.I think it`s some A series steel like A8.The burden of proof lies on Busse,not me.It`s he who sells INFI and SR101 and wants my money,not the other way around.I`ve no idea about how good INFI steel it is(couldn`t afford to abuse one),I do know that I hate their designs and like many Strider designs,but hate Strider`s known steel.
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Burden of proof? What do they need to prove? I have not come across one test or any sort of proof showing that they do not live up to their claims. Please point me to any tests showing otherwise or any knifemaker(s) publicly stating what you claim they say.
 
"It seems that what does make it INFI is easily found on their site" It hasn`t always been this way,I remeber times when he didn`t disclose what it was.As for Siegle buying Busse including my SHBM,in my opinion it`s a business decision,they seem to go up in price faster than gold these days.I`ll let Siegle speak for himself though.
 
Carbon and iron are "starstuff". So is copper and tin. Carbon is the result of nuclear fusion, and all heavier elements are the result of supernovae. We're not going to find any new elements that are going to be good for knives. We have already discovered all the non-radioactive ones. The ones that haven't yet been observed are at the end of the periodic table. They are radioactive and have half-lives that are fractions of a second.

None of my knives are perfect. Some of them are very good, but none are perfect. I don't believe that it is possible to make a perfect knife. However, I do enjoy the search for knives that closely approach perfection. That's why I collect and use fine cutlery.
 
Why should he even have to disclose the make-up of his steel? Do you think Coke should have to disclose their "secret formula" too?
 
Yup, Pansy Steel. ;)

Definitely all hype.

Why do we spend our money on this crap??!

Oh yeah...that's why. :cool:

Safe queens and nothing more.

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aaronjayl said:
Burden of proof? What do they need to prove? I have not come across one test or any sort of proof showing that they do not live up to their claims. Please point me to any tests showing otherwise or any knifemaker(s) publicly stating what you claim they say.
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That`s why I`m waiting for Noss to test a Busse and report to us whether
the performance is worth the$$.I`ve been collecting knives since I was 5yrs old,but I don`t delude myself into thinking I know it all about knives.I`m very sure about my BS Geiger counter however,and with people like Siegle,MMHW,Greco and a few others it registers zero,but with Busse I reach for my iodine pills.
 
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