I spent $879.99, look what I got

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I have informed the dealer about this thread. Whom I did business with is PVK.com.

I received an email from PVK yesterday, so I will update every progress since then.


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Have you ever been in a situation like this?
You paid $879.99, but all you got are: half of a normal microtech scarab, two boxes and sheaths
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I'm here looking for help, I don't know what I can do and I need advice.

Here is what happend:

I'm in the Netherlands, I purchased a Benchmade AFOII from a dealer a few months ago, I received the knife about a week after I paid, but no box no sheath. Seller said he always send knife and box in two separate parcels. I don't care about the box or sheath so I thought it's OK.

So the second time I purchased a microtech scarab, which was $479.99. I received box and sheat two weeks after I paid, but the knife never shown up. Though the seller can't prove he sent it, I trust him. I thought the knife may be lost in the mail, I asked if the seller can help to fill an investigation form in his local postoffice to search the knife, no response about that. I persuaded myself maybe it's just my bad luck.

About two months after I paid for that never come scarab, I moved to another appartment but in the same building. I wanted a microtech scarab so much that I worked during the whole summer holiday and earnd my wage. I purchased a same kind kinfe from the same dealer because I trust him. That's true, when I say I trust someone, I really do. After sending several emails, the dealer replied. I expressed my willing to buy the same kind knife again, and the dealer offerd me a discont price $400, I was happy because I never asked for a discount and I was planning to pay the regular price.

This time I asked the dealer to take pictures just in case any package gets missing again, in addition, he said he would send the knife in two halves so that no one would steal it, I agreed and thought that's a very good idea. Two weeks after the payment, half of the knife with box and sheath arrived. But, more than one month since the payment, the other half still not come. I contacted the dealer recommend to fill investigation forms this time but not until I sent four emails, he replied he promise the other half will come and let me wait. I waited for another week, but still nothing. I'm very sad this time because I recieve packages almost every week, from the USA, from within the EU and even from China, I never lost or failed to receive one single package except the ones from him. I've bought from him three time, and every time there's one package lost. I wrote to him yesterday again and I'm waiting for the reply.

The dealer used internation air post service to send to send the knife, is there any way to find the package? What can I do now?
And is there anyone who's selling springs, screws and cover of the microtech scarab?
I'll be grateful for your help!
 
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I presume OTFs are legal in The Netherlands as I'v seen them in a few shops so I don't see why
you didn't just insist the knives and boxes were sent together in one piece, as normal :confused:

Doing it twice is just beyond me, no offence intended of course but what were you thinking ?

I havent really heard of any one selling parts for MTs so your best bet is to probably contact Microtech, and good luck getting any help from them.
 
I presume OTFs are legal in The Netherlands as I'v seen them in a few shops so I don't see why
you didn't just insist the knives and boxes were sent together in one piece, as normal :confused:

Doing it twice is just beyond me, no offence intended of course but what were you thinking ?

I havent really heard of any one selling parts for MTs so your best bet is to probably contact Microtech, and good luck getting any help from them.

I was told by the seller that boxes and knives are sent in different packages. The packages I received have not been opend by custom.
I never thought another package will be lost after such a short time so I bought again.
Thanks for your advice I will contact Microtech to see if I can buy parts from them.
 
I was told by the seller that boxes and knives are sent in different packages. The packages I received have not been opend by custom.
I never thought another package will be lost after such a short time so I bought again.
Thanks for your advice I will contact Microtech to see if I can buy parts from them.

Are autos legal for you to import ?

IMO the only reason people split up a box and knife and then take the knife to bits
is if they are trying to skirt import laws, or there is something else odd going on.

If I buy a knife and the seller tells me they are going to send me the knife in 2 or more packages I will have
a good laugh and presume they are joking. If their not then I'm going else where with my cash moneys.
 
I was told by the seller that boxes and knives are sent in different packages.
Microtech ships their knives separate from the original box? If I read that right than thats news to me. I agree with Haze, sounds pretty fishy. Why would anyone
1. Risk sending any more packages than need be and risk losing them?
2. Spend the extra $ & time needed to ship an extra package?
 
Microtech ships their knives separate from the original box? If I read that right than thats news to me. I agree with Haze, sounds pretty fishy. Why would anyone
1. Risk sending any more packages than need be and risk losing them?
2. Spend the extra $ & time needed to ship an extra package?

Not Micrtech ships knives separate from original box, but the seller did, that's the way to skip the high import tax.
I want to know if there is a chance to find the packages in US post system? In Holland if I send a package, it's possible to contact post service for example "TNT" to look for lost packages.
 
Your seller may have voided your MT warranty by taking it apart; MT tends to be very touchy about that kind of thing. I don't think it is likely that MT will send you parts, at least that is not common behavior on their part. MT, when they do warranty work, won't often ship an auto knife directly back to an individual, but will only ship the knife to an authorized dealer. In your case I think you would want to find one that is closer to you, than your seller.
mingyu, I think your trust may be misplaced. Your dealer now owes you two knives and if he/she can't get them to you, owes you a refund. UNLESS you agreed, in your original purchase agreement, to take all the risk associated with delivery. And it looks like you may have agreed to some kind of "shady" activity in an attempt to "skip the high import tax".
good luck with this,
rats...
 
My brains a little dried out from last night so Im having trouble understanding that. Not sure how that would make it cost less? I would think it would make it cost more having to ship 2 packages. Do they only tax knives that come in boxes?

Do you know the exact name of the shipping service used by the seller? USPS, UPS, FED EX?

What company did you do business with? Is he a BF user? Maybe we can get his take.

$800 and NO Knife is NOT COOL
 
Your seller may have voided your MT warranty by taking it apart; MT tends to be very touchy about that kind of thing. I don't think it is likely that MT will send you parts, at least that is not common behavior on their part. MT, when they do warranty work, won't often ship an auto knife directly back to an individual, but will only ship the knife to an authorized dealer. In your case I think you would want to find one that is closer to you, than your seller.
mingyu, I think your trust may be misplaced. Your dealer now owes you two knives and if he/she can't get them to you, owes you a refund. UNLESS you agreed, in your original purchase agreement, to take all the risk associated with delivery. And it looks like you may have agreed to some kind of "shady" activity in an attempt to "skip the high import tax".
good luck with this,
rats...

In all our emails there was nothing about taking the risk, neither did I see anything about responsibility of the risk on his website. The dealer said he promised the knife would come and all knives he sold were 100% arrived before, I just trusted him.
At the first time I asked if he could write the knife value lower, because I once bought two knives worth about 150 euro with delivery, I paid about 48 euro tax. That's why when the dealer said to ship the box and knife in different packages works well, I agreed.
 
Not Micrtech ships knives separate from original box, but the seller did, that's the way to skip the high import tax.
I want to know if there is a chance to find the packages in US post system? In Holland if I send a package, it's possible to contact post service for example "TNT" to look for lost packages.

Well, if that's the case then as much as I hate to say it this is on your head. The seller will have to be the one
that "finds" the package for you so you need to speak to them with regards to any come back from this.

You will have lost any warranty with MT having had the knives dismantled, but in my experience you don't
get much of a warranty with MT any way so it's probably going to make little difference at the end of the day.

Import tax was crazy for me too when I lived in the UK but it was still less that getting nothing for the price I payed. Not
to mention the having to deal with all sorts on nonsense like 2 or 3 packages for one knife that you have described.

Best of luck to you in getting this sorted out though :thumbup:
 
My brains a little dried out from last night so Im having trouble understanding that. Not sure how that would make it cost less? I would think it would make it cost more having to ship 2 packages. Do they only tax knives that come in boxes?

Do you know the exact name of the shipping service used by the seller? USPS, UPS, FED EX?

What company did you do business with? Is he a BF user? Maybe we can get his take.

$800 and NO Knife is NOT COOL

My English is not so good, sorry to make you have trouble understanding what I wrote.:o
To send one knife in two packages won't make delivery costs less, but the seller suggested this way which he said may avoid high tax, because when the package of the knife is very small and using a low profile simple bubble bag, the customs won't notice such a small target with a very low price on it. I felt a little guilty to do this but if I don't do this, customs can not only charge high tax but also can refuse it come in saying it's weapon though it's for my collection.

The service is United States Postal Service, I find a picture showing the service. I took this picture when I received a box and sheath of a Microtech scarab, but the knife didn't come.
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I didn't say his company name because I'm considering his reputation, I sent another email to him yesterday and I think I should give him sometime to write back. I'm waiting for his reply to see if he'll do anything to look for the lost package this time. Before I paid and right after I paid, I got reply quickly, but now it's common to send several emails until I got reply. Besides, my purpose is looking for help to find the package not to shame someone now.

I really really want my microtech scarab!:(
 
Do you know the seller personally? Why do you trust him even though he has never 100% fullfilled an order?
 
Do you know the seller personally? Why do you trust him even though he has never 100% fullfilled an order?

His email seems honest and I always treat people with trust and tolerance unless I have proved someone's lying.
The first two times packages lost, I didn't even blame the seller but asking if he could go to postoffice to help me look for it. He sent his photo to me and I sent mine, I treated him as a friend, never thought bad things would happen a third time.
 
Unless the dealer told you he is not responsible for loss and you agreed then IMO he is responsible to get you the knives , even if he took them apart and sent multiple packages...i have seen this done before (kit form) legalities....
 
It would seem to me that he doesn't have a good reputation to begin with by not making the very first deal right. He probably "sent" it in two parts and kept the original box and sheath to sell off separately since microtech sheaths run a few dollars on their own. I wouldn't toss this into the "it's customs fault" category just yet. Something doesn't sound right and any dealer that is "trustworthy" and cares about their reputation should make things right no matter what.

I've gone negative dollars on a few sales, but I made sure the item arrived where it was supposed to. I would never have bought such an expensive knife from this dealer AGAIN after the first order didn't even complete. There's a bunch of real, descent, places to buy microtech from out there that would have done the right thing from the beginning. I hope that things turn out for the best, but I am on the bus that would like to know who is sending $400+ in parts. That is completely unheard of to me until I read this thread.

Good luck, J.
 
Are autos legal for you to import ?

IMO the only reason people split up a box and knife and then take the knife to bits
is if they are trying to skirt import laws, or there is something else odd going on.

If I buy a knife and the seller tells me they are going to send me the knife in 2 or more packages I will have
a good laugh and presume they are joking. If their not then I'm going else where with my cash moneys.

I don't think auto knives can be easily imported by individual, it's illegal to carry with but I think it can be bought, I can buy auto knives from knife stores here, but very expensive.
The double edge otf is illegal here, but I can also find one in local knife shops, I have to say I didn't 100% follow the Dutch Law about knife.
 
Unless the dealer told you he is not responsible for loss and you agreed then IMO he is responsible to get you the knives , even if he took them apart and sent multiple packages...i have seen this done before (kit form) legalities....

Thanks a lot, I will consider taking your advice if I have to ask for refund. :thumbup:
 
It's too bad that International shipping is such a risk and such a hassle.............
 
In Australia,if customs seize an item you receive a notice informing you.
You also have the option of having your knife returned to you, if want the hassle.
The best option is don't try to import a prohibited weapon.
Sorry to hear of your predicament,I would be :grumpy: if I was you.
 
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