I thought these were overbuilt? Direware lock fail (brand new knife)

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CCC1522 said:
Again I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it, I said should the need arise COULD it perform the tasks occasionally and could it perform through hard use such as bushcrafting. I never said or asked " can I bushcraft with this knife?" i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting without failing and this is not at all speaking about performing effectively because I know this blade shape is not optimal for that. The original question was to verify if its construction could handle aggressive use not whether the blade shape was optimal so theres also that and I specifically said that in the original thread.

People seemed to misunderstand what I said and only selectively read what I was asking. Which is exactly why I said ppl didnt read clearly enough. I explained many times in the thread that I wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if the need arised COULD it perform. wtf is wrong with that question? its very aggravating that you cant ask this without people misconstruing what youre asking and in fact think youre implying that thats what youre going to try. I dont know how many times I have to say it. I was asking about its ability to perform hard tasks, and to investigate whether the knifes construction could withstand hard use. What do you not get? I literally could not break it down any clearer than that if I tried.
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IMHO the bigger question is why do you want your in a pinch survival knife to fold? No matter what folder you get it will always be weaker than a fixed blade, for a couple hundred dollars you could have a fixed blade in your car and in you most commonly carried bag. With that you have two knives on you in that scenario, two is one and one is none.
 
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CCC1522 said:
Again I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it, I said should the need arise COULD it perform the tasks occasionally and could it perform through hard use such as bushcrafting. I never said or asked " can I bushcraft with this knife?" i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting without failing and this is not at all speaking about performing effectively because I know this blade shape is not optimal for that. The original question was to verify if its construction could handle aggressive use not whether the blade shape was optimal so theres also that and I specifically said that in the original thread.

People seemed to misunderstand what I said and only selectively read what I was asking. Which is exactly why I said ppl didnt read clearly enough. I explained many times in the thread that I wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if the need arised COULD it perform. wtf is wrong with that question? its very aggravating that you cant ask this without people misconstruing what youre asking and in fact think youre implying that thats what youre going to try. I dont know how many times I have to say it. I was asking about its ability to perform hard tasks, and to investigate whether the knifes construction could withstand hard use. What do you not get? I literally could not break it down any clearer than that if I tried.
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Just curious, if "bushcrafting" might have arisen*, and that was a thing that was on your "This knife needs to be able to do XYZ" list, why did you get one without a point? You got possibly the worst shaped blade I've ever seen for any knife that wasn't 100% about slashing people. And survival? What? Again, the shape of that blade makes no sense.





*As incidental bushcrafting does. LOL
 
shinyedges said:
The overwhelming answer was NO! I don't think you understood that.

It's a folder with a framelock, even if it could hold up, the question is HOW LONG? Using the knife in a hard use capacity shortens it's life span, significantly. If you want to beat your folder knife into oblivion in a "surviva!" situation, at least you were warned it won't hold up well.

For the intended use you want it to possibly perform, you bought the wrong knife. Go buy a cold steel.

Fixed blade is the obvious answer.
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My man, I said I wanted a robust folder specifically this one bc I really liked the ergos and aesthetic. Secondly, I said "should the need arise could it withstand hard use such as bushcrafting" again you didnt read clearly what I asked nor my intentions with the knife. I stated again, and again, and again, that i wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if it COULD OCCASIONALLY perform in hard use. i asked "In a survival situation COULD it perform" i never said "Hey im going camping and this is the knife I want to use"

You continue to derive what you want from my statements and questions and that fact alone lead me to already not take your advise. because why would I take the answer of someone who doesnt understand the initial question?
 
Quiet said:
Just curious, if "bushcrafting" might have arisen*, and that was a thing that was on your "This knife needs to be able to do XYZ" list, why did you get one without a point? You got possibly the worst shaped blade I've ever seen for any knife that wasn't 100% about slashing people. And survival? What? Again, the shape of that blade makes no sense.





*As incidental bushcrafting does. LOL
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Whenever I'm out and about, minding my own business, you never know just when a bit of spontaneous bushcrafting might be needed. Why, only the other day, I was walking to the shop to buy a newspaper and realised that I needed potable water as a matter of urgency. Although the paper shop sold bottled water, I wasn't sure that I could make it that 1/4 mile feeling as thirsty as I was. It was touch and go for a while. But thankfully, my massively overbuilt folder allowed me to prise up a manhole cover to get at a storm drain. My next problem was a container in which to boil the drain water. I noticed a car parked nearby that nobody seemed to be using, so I hacked off some of the bonnet and fashioned it into a jagged edged cup. Next I smashed the window with the built in glass breaker, and cut out all the stuffing from the seats. Using these as tinder and the spare tyre as my main fuel, I not only got potable drinking water but also started a handy rescue fire in case I didn't make it all the way home.

I am due in court next week.
 
CCC1522 said:
Again I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it, I said should the need arise COULD it perform the tasks occasionally and could it perform through hard use such as bushcrafting. I never said or asked " can I bushcraft with this knife?" i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting without failing and this is not at all speaking about performing effectively because I know this blade shape is not optimal for that. The original question was to verify if its construction could handle aggressive use not whether the blade shape was optimal so theres also that and I specifically said that in the original thread.

People seemed to misunderstand what I said and only selectively read what I was asking. Which is exactly why I said ppl didnt read clearly enough. I explained many times in the thread that I wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if the need arised COULD it perform. wtf is wrong with that question? its very aggravating that you cant ask this without people misconstruing what youre asking and in fact think youre implying that thats what youre going to try. I dont know how many times I have to say it. I was asking about its ability to perform hard tasks, and to investigate whether the knifes construction could withstand hard use. What do you not get? I literally could not break it down any clearer than that if I tried.
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Let's just clear this up now, then: a framelock isn't for bushcrafting, period. I'm of the opinion that no folding knife is, but if you needed to do it once or twice then I think a triad lock folder or equivalent might be acceptable, though over time those will be ruined too. A fixed blade will work better, and maybe even indefinitely for your purposes if you buy the right one.

With careful technique (not batonning while locked open), you night be able to use just about any folder for splitting small pieces of wood, though.
 
Quiet said:
Just curious, if "bushcrafting" might have arisen*, and that was a thing that was on your "This knife needs to be able to do XYZ" list, why did you get one without a point? You got possibly the worst shaped blade I've ever seen for any knife that wasn't 100% about slashing people. And survival? What? Again, the shape of that blade makes no sense.





*As incidental bushcrafting does. LOL
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i will repeat for the last time. I asked if it could withstand hard use in terms of construction and build. Its really not that hard. Why do you insist on focusing on bushcraft? I likened hard use to bushcraft "tasks such as bushcrafting" in order to place in context the extent of the hard use id like for it to be able to withstand.


and before anyone says folders arent for that, youre wrong. There are very many folders that perform well in many bushcrafting tasks and other hard use tasks just as hard as bushcrafting which is what I was asking if this knife could and now i see this isnt the right place or advice.
 
inkynate said:
Man to each his own, but for the price of this Direware, one could buy: a large Sebenza, a CS 4 Max, and still have enough left over for a Fallkniven S1... (as one example)

I just don't get it. :confused:
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All of which would have been unequivocably superior for the two stated use-cases of bushcraft and survival. The 4Max alone is just superior to that Direware in every single respect.
 
CCC1522 said:
i will repeat for the last time. I asked if it could withstand hard use in terms of construction and build. Its really not that hard. Why do you insist on focusing on bushcraft? I likened hard use to bushcraft "tasks such as bushcrafting" in order to place in context the extent of the hard use id like for it to be able to withstand.


and before anyone says folders arent for that, youre wrong. There are very many folders that perform well in many bushcrafting tasks and other hard use tasks just as hard as bushcrafting which is what I was asking if this knife could and now i see this isnt the right place or advice.
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Ok, construction and "hard use" then. My point about that poor blade shape stands. (shrug)
 
CCC1522 said:
My man, I said I wanted a robust folder specifically this one bc I really liked the ergos and aesthetic. Secondly, I said "should the need arise could it withstand hard use such as bushcrafting" again you didnt read clearly what I asked nor my intentions with the knife. I stated again, and again, and again, that i wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if it COULD OCCASIONALLY perform in hard use. i asked "In a survival situation COULD it perform" i never said "Hey im going camping and this is the knife I want to use"

You continue to derive what you want from my statements and questions and that fact alone lead me to already not take your advise. because why would I take the answer of someone who doesnt understand the initial question?
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Guy, I'm not misunderstanding squat, the answer was, is, will be no! Damn!

Yeah I realize you saw stabmans thread where he goes into the woods and purposely uses knives hard in a non survival, non emergency event and he thinks it held up great. That's fantastic.

Back to reality, most folders including framelocks will suffer some sort of failure in "hard use" period. Triad lock knives aren't immune from failure but hold up better than most.

Even "occasional" hard use causes wear prematurely and shortens life. I realize you don't want to hear this. Be aware of the limitations of your knife, use it within its limitations and be happy. :thumbsup:
 
Cripes. Say that blade got stuck in whatever you were cutting (cardboard, etc)... Merely trying to pull it out might cause that lock to fail. ...at least that's how I see it. It's like a half-pound titanium slipjoint with no tension past the initial catch.
 
And before the backyard commandos fast rope down on me, I am perfectly aware most knives can be used outside their intended use without major damage WITH PROPER CARE. Major variables obviously in that statement.

Obviously each knife on an individual basis takes certain tasks better or worse.
 
CCC1522 said:
I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it
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CCC1522 said:
i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting
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