I thought these were overbuilt? Direware lock fail (brand new knife)

[CCC1522]

Guy, I'm not misunderstanding squat, the answer was, is, will be no! Damn!

Yeah I realize you saw stabmans thread where he goes into the woods and purposely uses knives hard in a non survival, non emergency event and he thinks it held up great. That's fantastic.

Back to reality, most folders including framelocks will suffer some sort of failure in "hard use" period. Triad lock knives aren't immune from failure but hold up better than most.

Even "occasional" hard use causes wear prematurely and shortens life. I realize you don't want to hear this. Be aware of the limitations of your knife, use it within its limitations and be happy.

Using any tool wears it out. Lets state the obvious more. i dont care about it "wearing out" I care if it can perform when needed. Your engine gets worn out when you rev it up and accelerate quickly but when you need to do this in order to reach an exit, or get around a 18 wheeler do you say "oh this wears out my engine" or do you care that your car can do it at that moment when needed. it takes days upon days even perhaps months of hard use to really wear out a knife. Something I clearly said i wasnt going to do especially when i said "occasionally". your points are not points, they are useless statements that didnt answer or even acknowledge the initial question.

I didnt ask "how does this measure up to the tri ad lock, or how strong is this lock compared to the tri ad lock" i specifically asked could this knife handle hard use. THIS KNIFE, not tri ad CS's or hinderers or what you think is better or whatever, I asked specifically about the direware. So again you failed to understand the question. Why would I care about cold steel if i am asking if direware can withstand hard use? Why? I specifcally said "I want this knife and want to know if it can withstand hard use"

i have tons of other knives that can perform, but i wanted to investigate this one.

 

[CCC1522]

you really dont see the differences of those two statements?

"Can my motorcycle reach 170 mph?" is not the same as "Im going to drive my motorcycle at 170 mph."

 

[shinyedges]

Using any tool wears it out. Lets state the obvious more. i dont care about it "wearing out" I care if it can perform when needed. Your engine gets worn out when you rev it up and accelerate quickly but when you need to do this in order to reach an exit, or get around a 18 wheeler do you say "oh this wears out my engine" or do you care that your car can do it at that moment when needed. it takes days upon days even perhaps months of hard use to really wear out a knife. Something I clearly said i wasnt going to do especially when i said "occasionally". your points are not points, they are useless statements that didnt answer or even acknowledge the initial question.

I didnt ask "how does this measure up to the tri ad lock, or how strong is this lock compared to the tri ad lock" i specifically asked could this knife handle hard use. THIS KNIFE, not tri ad CS's or hinderers or what you think is better or whatever, I asked specifically about the direware. So again you failed to understand the question. Why would I care about cold steel if i am asking if direware can withstand hard use? Why? I specifcally said "I want this knife and want to know if it can withstand hard use"

i have tons of other knives that can perform, but i wanted to investigate this one.

Sigh. Where to begin?!?

The wear that occurs from driving your vehicle isn't a proper comparison to hard using your folder. Normal wear and tear for a folder is cutting things, being sharpened, dropped, and general use through the years. Just like normal wear and tear for an engine is daily driving. Revving the engine to red line at every red light shortens the life span of the engine, similarly beating your folder with a stick( batonning, common in "bushcraft") will shorten your folders life span more than just wear and tear.

"Hard using" a folder by prying tends to enlarge holes slightly causing things to loosen up. Prying also causes blade breakage

So what exactly are you going to do in your "hard use" ? Give us some examples?

Since you have so many good knives why are you even asking our opinions?

 

[ShannonSteelLabs]

Sigh. Where to begin?!?

The wear that occurs from driving your vehicle isn't a proper comparison to hard using your folder. Normal wear and tear for a folder is cutting things, being sharpened, dropped, and general use through the years. Just like normal wear and tear for an engine is daily driving. Revving the engine to red line at every red light shortens the life span of the engine, similarly beating your folder with a stick( batonning, common in "bushcraft") will shorten your folders life span more than just wear and tear.

"Hard using" a folder by prying tends to enlarge holes slightly causing things to loosen up. Prying also causes blade breakage

So what exactly are you going to do in your "hard use" ? Give us some examples?

Since you have so many good knives why are you even asking our opinions?

I agree with his question.
What are you doing that is considered hard use? Batoning? Prying? Cutting harder materials?

If we know what you are doing maybe we can better reccomend a knife.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

you really dont see the differences of those two statements?

"Can my motorcycle reach 170 mph?" is not the same as "Im going to drive my motorcycle at 170 mph."

What's the point in asking then? Is it a fantasy of yours?

If it's all a fantasy then just pretend it will be great at bushcrafting. It might be a great spoon too!

 

[BitingSarcasm]

centrifugal force driving an edge. can make short work of digits.

"Short" work....I see what you did there, heh.

But that knife is rubbish. I have had knives get bound in various things I have been trying to cut, from plastic buckets and totes to wood and cardboard, and freeing them sometimes puts negative pressure on the lock. I don't know about hard use, but a lockup that weak makes it a no-use knife and an instant return.

 

[Professor]

Under normal or even hard use the frame lock would be getting squeezed by your hand so the lock bar would be held in place but if there was some bad geometry and grinds involved on the lock bar and lock face then it could be forced out. I have had this happen with some gas station grade knives in the $10 dollar range but a $1,000! send it back quick because orthopedic surgeons are more expensive. Dude! it looked like you barely struck it hard at all.

Personally, I think this is somewhat of a framelock myth. The force your arms and body weight can exert under certain circumstances are going to exceed your grip strength.

 

[cbrstar]

I'm wondering is it a QC problem or is it a design flaw and they are all like this?

 

[Sergeua]

Really weak lock on an elephant of a knife like that is pretty bad. Should let the marker know nicely.

I like to open sink taps with the spine of my knife or lightly tap on things to get them lose. That knife would fold on me and that's not even hard use. I can do these things with a slip joint. Slip joint doesn't have guillotine action with heavy blades...

 

[CCC1522]

Sigh. Where to begin?!?

The wear that occurs from driving your vehicle isn't a proper comparison to hard using your folder. Normal wear and tear for a folder is cutting things, being sharpened, dropped, and general use through the years. Just like normal wear and tear for an engine is daily driving. Revving the engine to red line at every red light shortens the life span of the engine, similarly beating your folder with a stick( batonning, common in "bushcraft") will shorten your folders life span more than just wear and tear.

"Hard using" a folder by prying tends to enlarge holes slightly causing things to loosen up. Prying also causes blade breakage

So what exactly are you going to do in your "hard use" ? Give us some examples?

Since you have so many good knives why are you even asking our opinions?

Okay. Occasional red lining an engine will do almost nothing. Say you red line it once or twice a year. That is almost no extra wear. That is what i said about hard use on this knife. Occasional and when i was asked what is "occasional" i said once or twice a year. So it is an apt comparison.

Secondly batoning is seen as mal practice and you would be better off shaping a wooden wedge to baton.

And as for what is hard use or what do i mean by hard use, well hard cutting tasks, thick plastics, dry wall, wire stripping (hence the hawk bill), carpet and god forbid self defense are all hard uses in my opinion bc they are more than simple box cutting and food prep chores many other edc knives are often used for.

Now i didnt ask for recommendations on what knife you think is better, I asked about this knife specifically. I dont care about other knives and am aware there are better options for specific things.

 

[Danke42]

That knife is terrible. It looks awful, and it doesn't work.

My recommendation is not to buy one. Get a Mora instead.

Hope this clears up any confusion you may have.

 

[Pilsner]

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Now i didnt ask for recommendations on what knife you think is better, I asked about this knife specifically. I dont care about other knives and am aware there are better options for specific things.

Yes, and everybody, literally everybody told you not to choose this knife. You told us we were wrong and spent $1,000 on a broken folder anyway. It makes me wonder why you bothered to ask the question at all.

 

[Quiet]

Using any tool wears it out. Lets state the obvious more. i dont care about it "wearing out" I care if it can perform when needed. Your engine gets worn out when you rev it up and accelerate quickly but when you need to do this in order to reach an exit, or get around a 18 wheeler do you say "oh this wears out my engine" or do you care that your car can do it at that moment when needed. it takes days upon days even perhaps months of hard use to really wear out a knife. Something I clearly said i wasnt going to do especially when i said "occasionally". your points are not points, they are useless statements that didnt answer or even acknowledge the initial question.

I didnt ask "how does this measure up to the tri ad lock, or how strong is this lock compared to the tri ad lock" i specifically asked could this knife handle hard use. THIS KNIFE, not tri ad CS's or hinderers or what you think is better or whatever, I asked specifically about the direware. So again you failed to understand the question. Why would I care about cold steel if i am asking if direware can withstand hard use? Why? I specifcally said "I want this knife and want to know if it can withstand hard use"

i have tons of other knives that can perform, but i wanted to investigate this one.

Well Detective, what was your conclusion? Looks the only victim who got murdered is your wallet after you bought that garbage knife. LOL

 

[unwisefool]

Okay. Occasional red lining an engine will do almost nothing. Say you red line it once or twice a year. That is almost no extra wear. That is what i said about hard use on this knife. Occasional and when i was asked what is "occasional" i said once or twice a year. So it is an apt comparison.

Secondly batoning is seen as mal practice and you would be better off shaping a wooden wedge to baton.

And as for what is hard use or what do i mean by hard use, well hard cutting tasks, thick plastics, dry wall, wire stripping (hence the hawk bill), carpet and god forbid self defense are all hard uses in my opinion bc they are more than simple box cutting and food prep chores many other edc knives are often used for.

Now i didnt ask for recommendations on what knife you think is better, I asked about this knife specifically. I dont care about other knives and am aware there are better options for specific things.

Ok well that knife specifically is very silly. It's thick in all the wrong ways but has poor lock geometry and folds up when you don't want it to, has a blade shape that is not very useful, is more expensive than it should be and makes you look very mall-ninjaish if you went out in public with it.

There is my unqualified review of your particular knife.

 

[shinyedges]

Criminy. This horse has been whooped, beaten, blown up, smashed, nuked, taken above the tree line and left with no opinel, drowned, tossed out a moving vehicle and smothered with a tactical pillow.

 

[shinyedges]

You know what?

I say keep the knife you bought and use it for your hard use, let us know how the speech to text application does on your next thread.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

That thing for self defense? I'd rather be armed with a wet noodle.

 

[Quiet]

Okay. Occasional red lining an engine will do almost nothing. Say you red line it once or twice a year. That is almost no extra wear. That is what i said about hard use on this knife. Occasional and when i was asked what is "occasional" i said once or twice a year. So it is an apt comparison.

Secondly batoning is seen as mal practice and you would be better off shaping a wooden wedge to baton.

And as for what is hard use or what do i mean by hard use, well hard cutting tasks, thick plastics, dry wall, wire stripping (hence the hawk bill), carpet and god forbid self defense are all hard uses in my opinion bc they are more than simple box cutting and food prep chores many other edc knives are often used for.

Now i didnt ask for recommendations on what knife you think is better, I asked about this knife specifically. I dont care about other knives and am aware there are better options for specific things.

I have to be candid here, this thread has made me laugh, genuinely "EL OH EL" multiple times, and it did it again just now when you actually are sitting here telling us you spent over a thousand dollars on a knife specifically for "wire stripping".

I mean, I don't even know what to say at this point other than to keep the laughs coming!

 

[Quiet]

That thing for self defense? I'd rather be armed with a wet noodle.

Right? I mean, self defense? A friggin' towel bar ripped off a bathroom wall would objectively be a better defensive/offensive weapon in every measurable way over that knife.

 

[BruceMack]

The OP’s point is that a knife he bought has a fatal flaw. He is absolutely correct. Forum members should stop the crap. Say nothing if your only intent is preening.