If You Like Ugly. . . Howz About A Competition Grade Finish???

Would You Buy A Competition Grade Finished Blade?

  • Heck yeah. . Sign me up. . All of my blades look like that in a few days anyway!!!

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • Whoa! No!!! You have got to be kidding! . . . Right?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Maybe. If it came with an AMY-0 Cheesecake!!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'm pretty sure that Jerry has lost it!!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Hmmm, let me see :rolleyes: : O.K., I'll take one FBM, one FSH, one Satin Jack TAC, one BA, one Meaner Street and one AD :cool:. I think these will suffuce for starters...:D
 
Yeah, this finish with orange g-10 scales in a BM and a AD would be great! Piggyback the sheaths and the ultimate outdoorsman camping/hunting pair would be born IMO.
 
Orange or black G10 would rule. My only piece of INFI yet is a stripped ,polished and zero convex edged SS4 so I am totally onside.

I wonder what other steps Jerry could skip and sell even more blades?

How about assembly and sharpening? Sell us kits ,we would buy them.

I would buy a raw piece of infi, shape my own knife and send it back for HT then assemble it myself.
 
cant get my mind around this???? all that i can think is..... WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!! the busse fit and finish is what got me going on em to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!
 
take away the busse fit and finish????? makes no sense!!!! but i guess jerry could sharpen plastic and it would go over big!!! actually i think he did that already! kinda freaky and cult like, huh???????LOL!!!!
 
zero convex bevel? i can't imagine how stupid i seem, but with all different kinds of grinds and stuff its hard for me to learn them all, cause i'm pretty new to knives.
especially busse knives.

sorry if its thw wrong place to bring this up.

and if i had the money i would sooo buy one.
 
zero convex bevel?
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The grind presents a smooth curve from the edge up into the primary:

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Rick
 
eatingmuchface said:
so zero convex BEVEL just means that is a full convex grind right.
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Not necessarily. It just means the edge is convex. The primary will be whatever.

the term "Zero Edge" is traditionally used to describe any geometry that has only a single bevel. Ernie Emerson is pretty famous for his chisel-ground zero-edge blades. This Charles May Big Hand Scandi has a symmetric zero-edge:

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On the other hand, this picture shows a full flat with v-edge (EU-17), full convex with v-edge (HOGSJTLE), and a flat saber with convex edge (ZTNO):

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The ZTNO is the only one that I would describe as a zero convex bevel, even though the HOGSJTLE has the whole knife besides the edge in a convex shape.

Rick
 
Hey Jerry I love the unfinished look, but could you give me a rough idea as to what the price will be ?
 
i tried figuring that out a loooonnnggg time ago like on the first page or something...im starting to think that was all a big tease or something
 
It is pretty damn ugly. Edges fade pretty fast and I think I could also do the same edge with a belt sander to one of the regular knives.. so I'd still prefer the standard edge option. A fully convexed profile going all the way to the edge would be different though, and I'd be quite interested in that.
 
scalesandtails said:
take away the busse fit and finish????? makes no sense!!!! but i guess jerry could sharpen plastic and it would go over big!!! actually i think he did that already! kinda freaky and cult like, huh???????LOL!!!!
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"Freaky and cult like".... Possibly?

Could Jerry sharpen some plastic and sell it? I am pretty convinced there would be some takers and people yelling to "Bring It". I have to wonder about these people.... And I am not so sure how sharp the plastic would be. ;)

Could Jerry stamp Busse and/or INFI on some bars of unfinished INFI and sell it for more than the prices of most finished knives on the market? I am very confident he could.

Most people buy Busse knives because they are convinced of the toughness and quality of the steel. And generally convinced the toughness and quality of the steel is second to none.

I find it surprising that cutting ability hasn't always been a focus from the factory - Or so it seems to me....:confused:
Some people claim to receive factory edges that a shaving sharp. Maybe they have (????). Others have mentioned about not receiving sharp knives.

I have purchased many Busse and related family of knives from the factory and I can't brag or defend factory level of sharpness.
I believe they should take more pride in providing a higher level and more consistant factory sharpness. To me, the PRIMARY purpose of a knife and even by definition is a "SHARP" tool used for cutting.
Ability to bash through cinder blocks is a testimony to toughness and I DO appreciate toughness and edge holding abilities of Busse steel. But, I still think "factory" sharpness should be a standard and part of quality control.

However, the steel CAN be MADE shaving sharp. Obviously, many are OK with doing there own finish work.
....I am confident there will be some people defending Busse sharpness. :rolleyes:

I am hopeful that this new attention to the factory edge grind is company wide.

To me, whether this whole "UGLY" Competition Grade concept makes sense or not is DIRECTLY related to the pricing.

If Busse skips some steps and passes on savings, then I am OK with it since I don't like coatings and I do strip the coatings and have to sand down the "UGLY" to make my blades look decent anyway.

The factory Satin finished blades are just priced way too high for me. I don't believe it should cost so much more for a "finished" satin blade. But, there are obviously many here willing to pay hundreds more for Jerry saving probably around $5 - $20 in production costs to satin finish blades.
I believe a knife company can clean up and satin finish blades pretty quickly - especially prior to attaching handles! However, the typical non-knifemaker with a belt sander will have some issues with the handle being attached and the learning curve involved with getting the hang of finishing a knife.
What it costs a knife-maker in time, effort, production costs is WAY less than what it costs a typical knife buyer who is not a knife-maker and who does not have all of the knife-making equipment and knife-making skills.

If the prices stay the same because the new edge that now functions better is supposed to balance out the savings for not coating the blades or if it costs more, I am not impressed...... at all.

Stripping the coating off of the blade is VERY easy for ANYBODY. Takes about 5-10 minutes with a chemical stripper. But, then you still have to deal with "UGLY" and a handle now in your way.

Is performance more important than looks? Absolutely.

Am I willing to pay INFI prices for "UGLY"? - I already know the steel is worthy. But, still, only if I feel the basic design is worthy and I feel I can finish the knife to decent enough standards and have saved a reasonable compensation for me having to finish the knife.

I don’t have any real passion for overly fancy gussied up knives. I appreciate “Art” knives for what they are, but they are not my thing and I am not looking for "Art Knife" levels of finish.
However!!! - I do like at least a basic level of fit and finish.

All other factores being equal, I WOULD rather have a knife that I can call NICE looking than one that is described as "UGLY" by even its maker. :rolleyes:

Toughness is NOT the only factor in what makes a good knife to me. I don't chop cinder blocks. And I don't use my knives as heavy duty prybars. Yes I believe a knife should be able to handle certain amounts of torque and prying... But....

Knife design, ergonomics, edge holding ability, ability to sharpen and PRICE have to be factors to me.

.... I'll just stop there.
 
I don't believe it should cost so much more for a "finished" satin blade. But, there are obviously many here willing to pay hundreds more for Jerry saving probably around $5 - $20 in production costs to satin finish blades.
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hehe... you ever hand satin finish a blade yourself ? The last thing you could say about hand satin is that it reduces production costs. Time and materials ain't cheap.

Finish on the blade ( as far as what grit ) isnt a huge concern for me , in fact I am pufectly happy with a 220 grit belt finish on my knives , cause they get used and I dont have to look at marks on a hand satin finish.
 
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