+1 to this.
I cannot understand why sellers refuse to do some elementary maths. PP is 3.5%, so round it up to 4% and you'll even make a little more from the sale. If you have a MO or PP option, just charge the same.
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I'm going to ask buyers to pay Paypal fees if they require the same from their buyers
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+1 to this.
I cannot understand why sellers refuse to do some elementary maths. PP is 3.5%, so round it up to 4% and you'll even make a little more from the sale. If you have a MO or PP option, just charge the same.
I bought a Shirogorov from a well known YouTube reviewer last week and his price was $XXX net to me. Being my first time using PP not using EBay I was confused about what to do so I covered the fees since I was already getting a great deal. The seller payed for and across the country (Florida to California) the knife was here in two days. I have no problem covering a petty 3.5% fee if the seller can get the product to my doorstep (with insurrance, no clue to the amount) in a awesome time frame like that. If everyone selling/buying can just ask the other how they want to handle PP fee's, things won't be as awkward. As a seller I just want my asked amount and maybe a bit on top for shipping. As a buyer I want to pay what the seller wants in his pocket. I think every transaction may be different. I don't feel ripped off and I don't feel the seller was either.
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but if you paypal as a gift they could say the money was gift and keep the knife or item to sell it again. if you gift you have no protection under paypal rules. you have left yourself wide open to be ripped off too.
It's an experiment and we'll see how it goes.
I can't do the one way street any longer. I think its reasonable to require the buyer to pay the fees if that's what they require of THEIR buyers.
If buyers cover the fees in their sales, I'll cover the fees when I sell to them.
This may end up a disaster.
That's one idea. Another is passing on sales if you don't like the terms of the deal. If they are asking for you to pay the fee's in violation of PP's TOS then call them out on it, say you'll take it if you aren't required to pay their fee's and if they don't agree pass. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
I think it's unfortunate that so many blatantly and openly violate PP's TOS. If everyone would just follow the rules they agreed to when they signed up with PP there would be no confusion and many of the problems we see in the GB&U would be avoided. Especially ones caused by using the "gift" option.
I can't force anyone to do anything but I can try and lead by example and be responsible for my own conduct here on BFC.
When I sell I don't and will not:
1. Ask the buyer to pay using the "gift" option for the sale of goods.
2. Ask the buyer to pay my fee's.
3. Offer separate prices for different method's of payment if PP is a payment option.
These are PP's terms of service we all agreed to when we use PP. Seems pretty straight forward and easy enough. I see BFC as a community first and the exchange is not another e-bay to me. In the spirit of community let's try and do the right thing by each other when we can. I think we will all be better off for it.
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i dont think it matters if its stated in the thread and you agree to buy the knife then you just agreed to the terms. i do agree the seller should just add everything into there price fee's shipping and just give the one price.
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+1 either buy the knife or don't. if 3% is too much for you to afford then start looking at cheaper alternatives..
I always cover shipping, insured if over $200 even when my post states differently. That way when you offer to cover shipping you make the buyer even happier. Everyone likes generous gestures :wink:
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No you aren't. You just don't want to be told that you are paying the seller's fees. I can sell you a knife for $103, and tell you that I will eat the fees and provide "free" shipping, and you are happy as a clam. But if instead I charge $93 + $7 shipping + 3% for paypal, you think that's an outrage. Either way, you are paying $103 and you are paying the dang fees and the dagnab shipping, so you might as well deal with it. You just don't want the seller to tell you about it. So you can pay $103 and be happy, or $103 and be irate. The only difference is between your ears. Its the magic of marketing.
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exactly my feelings, i used to give folks great deals, till i saw so many users so hard on for a dollar , thats when i switch my game up and make abe lincoln cry..
I have met some members who are now friends and i would lose money for them all day long, others get current market value.
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Hahah thanks for bringing common sense where it isnt so common.
Your post lightened my day =)
It has nothing to do with the 3% or 4% being too much for me. It's about doing what you agreed to do when you signed up to accept Paypal. Expecting people to honor their word isn't reasonable any longer. I find that disappointing.
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Here as a buyer paypal gives me 2 choices.... Send money to family or friends...or pay for merchandise..
The first I pay the fees of .30 unless I use my credit card then the fee is 3-5.00
I see no problem with that as we are in theory friends, but of the online nature...
The 2nd the seller pays the fees which I've heard is up to 3.00
I like the seller to get the price asked so I choose the 1st option where I pay the fees.
I've had no complaints so far..
The first I pay the fees of .30 unless I use my credit card then the fee is 3-5.00
I see no problem with that as we are in theory friends, but of the online nature...
The 2nd the seller pays the fees which I've heard is up to 3.00
I like the seller to get the price asked so I choose the 1st option where I pay the fees.
I've had no complaints so far..
I'm not sure what you're stating here.I myself never use the gift option unless it's an actual "gift".
What I was stating in my last post was that people buying from me usually assume I want them to pay with the gift option & I don't.
I just bought a knife a few minutes ago.The seller didn't state pay with gift or add 3%.However I added 2% just to be on the safe side.I've bought from people before that didn't state what type of paypal option they preferred,paid regular paypal then went off to work,only to come home to an irritated email asking for their 3%,so I'll always split the fees now with individuals*.Dealers are a different story.I won't pay their business fees & if they ask for them they'll never get my business.
*sorry for the run on sentences
Just because you have found a way for yourself to feel justified about being ripped off by somebody - doesn't mean everyone else will
From the terms of service of pay-pal - 4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
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So I guess, by your reasoning, PayPal itself is naive as they expect sellers to pay the fees and expressly forbid that they ask the buyers to cover them?
PayPal is convenient for the seller, that is why the seller pays the fee.
Yes, they expect sellers to pay fees... and sellers do... with money that they get from buyers. Paypal is convenient for the seller... and the buyer... and it's a cost of doing business. Do you somehow think your local store isn't charging you the 2% cost of the credit card transaction when you purchase something from them with a credit card? Same thing.