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I'm going to ask buyers to pay Paypal fees if they require the same from their buyers
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So well put. It's not rocket science. Just adjust your dang prices to cover fees and you will never be screwed again. Yeah!
A local store would work it in the price just like many do here.
I never add a PP fee, and try to avoid buying from those that do.
This topic comes up often here, and it is helping. I see less and less asking for a separate PP fee.
The thread was about my simple desire to have those that make their buyers cover Paypal fees be responsible for the fees in my sales. In other words, I find it entirely reasonable to have people live by the rules they decide to set since they're not following the rules we all agreed to when we signed up for Paypal. How could that NOT be reasonable? 
I do find it laughable when someone tries to sell the idea that the buyer is paying for Paypal fees regardless of how the ad is worded. If this was true, people never would have started requiring buyers to pay the fees. It's not the same, not even close.
Gift is outright theft from the company providing the service....
How simple this would all be if we all just did what we agreed to do when we signed up for the service.
I do find it laughable when someone tries to sell the idea that the buyer is paying for Paypal fees regardless of how the ad is worded. If this was true, people never would have started requiring buyers to pay the fees. It's not the same, not even close.
Gift is outright theft from the company providing the service....
How simple this would all be if we all just did what we agreed to do when we signed up for the service.
Ya know, I gotta wonder if any of you folks have ever run a brick and mortar store that took plastic payments?
You are complaining about the "fee" pay pal takes from the seller's cut, I get it.
Nobody likes to slice off some of their pie and give it to a middle man.
However, if you were to be say, McDonald's or Burger King or any of the rest of the places on earth you go to day to day and spend your money
in what ever form you carry be it paper, coins, or plastic. They do not adjust pricing.
In fact the only retail chains I know of that do this would be the low rent fuel stops, usually owned by the folks who don't really
care how much gas you get in that tank of water your buying.
The banks,(pay pal, visa, whomever) get a fee for handling your transaction. Pay pal is actually quite cheap if you had ever set up a
real merchant account, and not used pay pal, you would know that its a frakkin bargain.
First, merchant accounts don't pay daily. Usually weekly, and monthly if you will let them Your "Cut" will vary by your pay periods.
The longer you let them make interest on it, in their banks, you get a higher % back. Most merchant accounts get between 2-3.5%
off the TOP. For every dollar BK gets on plastic they get about 96 cents. Do you hear them bitching about the cost?
Cards that offer cash back, are worse, discover gigs the merchant for a MINIMUM of 5%, they only pay 95 cents on the dollar charged.
Where did you think that money came from? This is why many places will not accept Discover, it cost too much of their profits.
IF pay pal, or any other plastic handling agency is an issue I suppose you got 2 options.
CASH
money order
dunno what else to tell you
other than impulse buys are easy on plastic and its shipped before they feel remorse
cash, they change their minds OFTEN
Just my .02 cents, and I have been selling electronics an such on ebay for a decade, it is what it is.
You are complaining about the "fee" pay pal takes from the seller's cut, I get it.
Nobody likes to slice off some of their pie and give it to a middle man.
However, if you were to be say, McDonald's or Burger King or any of the rest of the places on earth you go to day to day and spend your money
in what ever form you carry be it paper, coins, or plastic. They do not adjust pricing.
In fact the only retail chains I know of that do this would be the low rent fuel stops, usually owned by the folks who don't really
care how much gas you get in that tank of water your buying.
The banks,(pay pal, visa, whomever) get a fee for handling your transaction. Pay pal is actually quite cheap if you had ever set up a
real merchant account, and not used pay pal, you would know that its a frakkin bargain.
First, merchant accounts don't pay daily. Usually weekly, and monthly if you will let them Your "Cut" will vary by your pay periods.
The longer you let them make interest on it, in their banks, you get a higher % back. Most merchant accounts get between 2-3.5%
off the TOP. For every dollar BK gets on plastic they get about 96 cents. Do you hear them bitching about the cost?
Cards that offer cash back, are worse, discover gigs the merchant for a MINIMUM of 5%, they only pay 95 cents on the dollar charged.
Where did you think that money came from? This is why many places will not accept Discover, it cost too much of their profits.
IF pay pal, or any other plastic handling agency is an issue I suppose you got 2 options.
CASH
money order
dunno what else to tell you
other than impulse buys are easy on plastic and its shipped before they feel remorse
cash, they change their minds OFTEN
Just my .02 cents, and I have been selling electronics an such on ebay for a decade, it is what it is.
It's an experiment and we'll see how it goes.
I can't do the one way street any longer. I think its reasonable to require the buyer to pay the fees if that's what they require of THEIR buyers.
If buyers cover the fees in their sales, I'll cover the fees when I sell to them.
This may end up a disaster.
I'm contemplating something too, if someone is stupid enough to use paypal gift, and they get burned then they need to work things out on their own. No mod intervention.
it would save us a TON of headaches.
I'm contemplating something too, if someone is stupid enough to use paypal gift, and they get burned then they need to work things out on their own. No mod intervention.
That sounds great.
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Seconded!
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I can't believe this site even allows buyers to have different prices for different methods. On nearly every other forum I participate in (guitars, mostly) the whole "add 3% for Paypal" thing is an instant infraction.
Yes, exactly the point. The store just works it into their price... so you are paying to cover the credit card fees whether or not you purchase with a credit card. Similarly here for sellers who don't list the paypal fee separately you are paying for the paypal fee (assuming they take paypal) whether or not you pay with paypal a check or a money order. The seller isn't refunding you the difference. It seems that many here like it that way. Okay, no problem more money for the seller.
I'm contemplating something too, if someone is stupid enough to use paypal gift, and they get burned then they need to work things out on their own. No mod intervention.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I call this the stupid tax. If you are stupid, and get burned you pay the stupid tax.
I don't add the 2.9% + 30 cents PP fee in at all, though I have no problem with others working it into the price.
So no, it doesn't always mean more money for the Seller.
It cost me as much as their fee to drive into town to cash a money order, and takes up time.
This is very simple if people would just do what they agree to do when they accept the Paypal TOS.
If you agree to not charge a fee, and not pay with the Gift option for goods you should stick to that, or not use them at all.
People are being dishonest if they charge a fee, or use Gift for goods(IMO).
I choose to keep my word, and stick to the Paypal TOS. I like PP, and have no problem agreeing to their TOS.
People can do what they want to do though, as its not against BF policy.
I'm starting to agree with Rev on maybe not helping those that use Gift. Its causing to much work on our Mods. You use it and get burned its your problem.
I saw one listed(a Sebenza) last night that is asking 6% for PP fee's. I'm wondering if people are even reading the Paypal TOS
I sincerely doubt most of those folks have actually read the Paypal TOS. Sellers asking for gift payments are particularly distasteful though and robbing their buyers of any protection (people who may well be clueless about what they're signing on for).
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I am perfectly happy to have a buyer's payment by check or money order. If they want to use their credit card, or get some Paypal insurance coverage, that is an option that will cost them a couple of extra bucks. I don't see why I should stick the guy who pays with a check an extra 3.5% just because he might use Paypal. I'll follow the thread and will change my sales listing if there are lots of negatives about Paypal fees. I'm not selling through Paypal/Ebay and I'm not requiring the buyer to use Paypal to pay me for a knife. I offer a refund in full if the buyer is not satisfied with the knife. Paypal is for the ease of the buyer, not me the seller. About the only good that comes from it is that I ship the same day I receive payment which is quicker if he pays with Paypal, but usually only by a couple of days..
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