I'm not responsible if something goes wrong ... insurance, pay pal...

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I have seen the WORDS I'm not responsible once it leaves my hands disclaimer. I can understand where a person is coming from, don't get me wrong. Yet, that doesn't make that situation any better for the buyer. IN FACT IT MAKES THE BUYER RESPONSIBLE/LOCKED INTO A PURCHASE so in case something happens before the knife arrives the buyer is screwed. :eek::mad::thumbdn:

Yes, we can insure the item/knife & frankly if there is concern it can be discussed with the seller an agreed upon. Since I mentioned insurance lol; i find it sort of distasteful that a seller uses the line shipped fully insured as a selling point to make the buyer feel comfortable. Yet, each seller who says that knows that $50 insurance isn't going to cover 1/2 the knife let alone the actual knife itself.

i say if you're going to use insurance as a selling point you should state that the knife is fully insure for the value of the knife/item. Anything else like priority shipping is a total farce imho.

Yes, i KNOW FOLKS HAVE Done this and continue to do so, but that doesn't make it cool to do.

Buyers please be aware that when you agree to the dude who says he's not responsible you are setting yourself up for failure in the event the knife is damaged or doesn't show up. Please know that a shady person can just basically Fu.. out of your money and the knife if they go about it properly under those conditions that you should not agree too in the 1st. place.

Paypal fees are meant to be paid by the seller as we all know. I hate it that sellers have gotten away with getting buyers to pay the pay pal fees for them. if you want to sell a knife via paypal you should make it simple post the price you want for it using that service as it was intended to be used. Most folks use paypal because of convenience and because it gives them some legal muscle in case a buyer is shady, item is damaged/not what it should be etc. etc. etc.

So, to all the buyers who fund the sellers. You do not have to accept less then favorable conditions to buy a knife, and if you're like me and it pisses you off that someone is always trying to be slick at your expense show your manhood & don't deal with them. Please make sure you tell them why though.


Knives or just about anything sold by sellers have to have the cooperation of the buyer 1st.and foremost. As sellers we can, & should hold them/make accountable when they do business. The only reason it has gotten to this point wrongly imho is because folks just act like freaking sheep when they should not. Sharpen your wits and don't cave in to nonsense no matter how much assholes try to convince you otherwise folks. thanks

p.s. last but not least. a buyer should not have to lose money on a knife to have it fixed/repaired when it arrives new like that from a maker. I for one will make it clear in any future purchases & get it in writing too. I'm tired of men getting over and blowing it off by communicating politely, yet not doing their freaking job as they should.
 
Firstly, this should be posted in feedback. Secondly, most sellers say "not responsible once it leaves my hands" specifically for international purchases. Customs and international shipping are notorious for losing or seizing packages. I'd also assume that most of not all sellers insure the knife for full value. I know I do, and I always pay out of pocket for it. It sounds like you probably got burned in a deal, just be aware that the majority of guys here are honest and do things the right way.
 
I have seen the WORDS, "I'm not responsible once it leaves my hands" disclaimer.

Saying that doesn't make it true.

IN FACT IT MAKES THE BUYER RESPONSIBLE/LOCKED INTO A PURCHASE so in case something happens before the knife arrives the buyer is screwed.

Nope. The buyer has recourse through eBay, PayPal, their credit card company, etc. If you buy something and it never shows up, it is the seller's responsibility.
 
Yup, doesn't mean a thing. They absolutely are responsible for it. Insurance is there to protect the seller, not the buyer. If the seller doesn't want to pay for it that's fine, but they better be ready to cover the cost if something goes wrong.

Even with the PayPal protection I'll personally avoid these sellers because of what it says about their character. International sales are a different matter of course.
 
Yup, doesn't mean a thing. They absolutely are responsible for it. Insurance is there to protect the seller, not the buyer. If the seller doesn't want to pay for it that's fine, but they better be ready to cover the cost if something goes wrong.

Even with the PayPal protection I'll personally avoid these sellers because of what it says about their character. International sales are a different matter of course.

Nailed it. Especially the last part. I would never deal with someone that tries to pull that crap.
 
I have seen the WORDS I'm not responsible once it leaves my hands disclaimer. I can understand where a person is coming from, don't get me wrong. Yet, that doesn't make that situation any better for the buyer. IN FACT IT MAKES THE BUYER RESPONSIBLE/LOCKED INTO A PURCHASE so in case something happens before the knife arrives the buyer is screwed. :eek::mad::thumbdn:

I think that we both read the same sales thread this evening:

"As with everything that I sell, if your not 100% satisfied with the purchase you may certainly return the item for a complete refund of the purchase price. I, of course, cannot (and will not) be held liable for the knives AFTER they leave my possession, should the cutlery you purchased be damaged in transport and / or after you receive said cutlery, as unfortunate of a situation as that would be, there will be no refunds from me due to this. All the more reason for you to opt for insurance on the cutlery. Let me reiterate, AFTER the cutlery leaves my possession I will not be held responsible / accountable for it."

I actually had to re-read the sales thread, because I thought maybe I misread something. Personally, I would choose not to buy a knife with these stipulations, however, I do believe that Paypal Goods, would still cover me in the event that something happened to the cutlery once it left the seller's possession? The question is, how would Paypal determine accountability with this type of disclaimer?

I know that this issue has more than likely been covered before, but could somebody (Mod), please explain, who would be responsible in this instance, saying a shipped knife was damaged, or lost?

Thank you!
 
Regardless of any other considerations....It is the buyer's responsibility
to get payment into the hands of the seller.........and the seller's responsibility
to get the sold item into the hands of the buyer.....period.
 
I've read many posts where the seller says something to the effect of let me know if you want insurance on the package. Ahh, insurance isn't for the buyer, it's for the seller. They think they're being slick and putting the onus on the buyer but it doesn't work like that. That is why I won't buy with PayPal gift option. No real recourse if something goes sideways.
 
I don't sell here but I sell all sorts of stuff on Ebay and anything over about $100 I include shipping. I will often state that the $50 insurance is included in the shipping cost I pay as the seller, but if you want more you need to let me know and I will charge you the cost of that insurance, shipping is still free and no markup on insurance. You want insurance? Ok, I can do that.

Bottom line:
When you are selling something BE UP FRONT ABOUT EVERYTHING, including how much you're insuring it for.
 
I don't sell here but I sell all sorts of stuff on Ebay and anything over about $100 I include shipping. I will often state that the $50 insurance is included in the shipping cost I pay as the seller, but if you want more you need to let me know and I will charge you the cost of that insurance, shipping is still free and no markup on insurance. You want insurance? Ok, I can do that.

Bottom line:
When you are selling something BE UP FRONT ABOUT EVERYTHING, including how much you're insuring it for.

See my post above yours. I make sure you get the money. You make sure I get the package... He'll there's a reason I put that statement in my signature line....
 
I don't sell here but I sell all sorts of stuff on Ebay and anything over about $100 I include shipping. I will often state that the $50 insurance is included in the shipping cost I pay as the seller, but if you want more you need to let me know and I will charge you the cost of that insurance, shipping is still free and no markup on insurance. You want insurance? Ok, I can do that.

Bottom line:
When you are selling something BE UP FRONT ABOUT EVERYTHING, including how much you're insuring it for.
One more that I will not deal with.
 
I actually had to re-read the sales thread, because I thought maybe I misread something. Personally, I would choose not to buy a knife with these stipulations, however, I do believe that Paypal Goods, would still cover me in the event that something happened to the cutlery once it left the seller's possession? The question is, how would Paypal determine accountability with this type of disclaimer?

When you pay for an item properly with PayPal (goods!) and the item does not arrive, contact PayPal. They will guide you through the process of recovering your money.

It doesn't matter if the carrier lost it, or customs confiscated it. The seller owes you the item or your money back, and PayPal will enforce this.
 
When you pay for an item properly with PayPal (goods!) and the item does not arrive, contact PayPal. They will guide you through the process of recovering your money.

It doesn't matter if the carrier lost it, or customs confiscated it. The seller owes you the item or your money back, and PayPal will enforce this.

Exactly.

It doesn't matter what stipulations the seller tries to enforce. No other terms matter besides that of Paypals.

Honestly, I find it kind of funny when I see the terms trying to clear the seller of any responsibility, or offering to sell insurance to the buyer. I'm not sure if it's being inconsiderate or just ignorance, probably a little of both.
 
As a seller, you are responsible for insurance and for properly insuring for value.
It doesn't matter if it is a domestic or international shipment as a seller you are responsible for getting the buyer his purchased item.
A buyer is only responsible for prompt payment, shipping cost and any added customs fees if international.

Any disclaimers to the contrary are false, misleading or just plain dishonest. Just as using the gift option on goods purchases is dishonest.
 
As a seller, you are responsible for insurance and for properly insuring for value.
It doesn't matter if it is a domestic or international shipment as a seller you are responsible for getting the buyer his purchased item.
A buyer is only responsible for prompt payment, shipping cost and any added customs fees if international.

Any disclaimers to the contrary are false, misleading or just plain dishonest. Just as using the gift option on goods purchases is dishonest.


I agree with this. I'm generally not trying to sell things to become rich, and I really don't want to be in a position where someone sent me money and didn't receive their items, so I will pay for the insurance myself if I am selling something of significant value. If I am selling something of lower value I just "self insure", IOW if the buyer doesn't receive it I refund their money and take the loss myself.

As for "false and misleading", I find that there are more and more people involved in knife sales that are doing it only for the money. I'm a hobbiest and do it for fun. I wish the hijackers would go elsewhere and pick on a different hobby.
 
When you pay for an item properly with PayPal (goods!) and the item does not arrive, contact PayPal. They will guide you through the process of recovering your money.

It doesn't matter if the carrier lost it, or customs confiscated it. The seller owes you the item or your money back, and PayPal will enforce this.

I thought that this was the case; thank you for clarifying this E.B..

BTW- I think that the "Reply With Quote" option, is going haywire in this thread?
 
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This is a common thing especially for international sales. In country i believe its the sellers responsibility to get the buyer their product or reimburse them, outside the US its not possible to offer any type of guarantee. ANYONE who has done much international shipping knows this and thats why its commonly posted.

Stuff like this post will make sellers STOP selling internationally. How can they feel protected? As a seller i cant get reimbursed no matter how much insurance i have on an item once it leaves the US.

Insurance is for the BUYER as well. The seller can turn over proof of insurance and original receipt and the buyer can get reimbursed through it. Not only the seller. Both parties can file the claim with the proper paperwork.

First off insurance only covers the item in THIS country, Once it leaves the US its out of a sellers hands. A seller cant be held responsible for another country losing the package. Its of no fault to the seller. How is that fair to the seller? No one gets reimbursed but the seller gets screwed.

If a package goes missing once it leaves this country and you indeed insured and shipped it you can contact paypal and show them the original sales agreement, tracking will show it left the country and therefor you fulfilled your obligation. I had something goes missing headed to me, i tried to file the dispute with paypal, but the seller proved they shipped the item and that the USPS lost it and i NEVER got reimbursed because of the original sales agreement. They didnt even insure it. So paypal will not ALWAYS side with the buyer despite what they or anyone else says.

As far as "more and more people are doing it for money" Why else would a maker spend HOURS and HOURS working on a knife and then turn around and sell it if not for the money?

All that being said, I have shipped THOUSANDS of dollars worth of knives overseas and never had a single issue with one of my packages. But due to post like this ill be much more careful who i deal with. Ill link to this post and explain why i will ONLY take gift option for international sales. Just not fair to the seller to get screwed because another country looses a package. Its not being dishonest, its being practical.

Again im ONLY speaking for international sales, not domestic. In country we, as sellers, can be reimbursed if properly insured. Outside the US there is no recourse you can take.
 
This thread is interesting to me. A different web forum I belong to has a classifieds section and the rules explicitly state that if Paypal is used it MUST be Paypal goods. Any sellers asking for Paypal gift in their sales thread or privately could have their threads shut down at the least. Site policy...

When I first joined Bladeforums and started purchasing from the Exchange, I noticed a lot of sellers asking for Paypal gift and shipping with "responsibility on the buyer". Their knives were always purchased and I just figured this was just how things ran on Bladeforums even though it annoyed me a little. I took the risk and bought a few knives from the exchange anyway. I recently opened a for sale thread and included the Paypal gift option. I assumed it was preferred to include this based on how common it is here.

Well, this thread is encouraging and makes me feel a little annoyed at myself for going along with a practice that didn't sit well with me. I just changed the shipping conditions in my current for sale thread to exclude the Paypal gift option and to clarify that shipping is fully insured only.

Thanks for the reminder, knife dragon… If this practice were to become more prevalent here it would probably encourage first time sellers to act in a similarly responsible fashion.
 
Personally, I would choose not to buy a knife with these stipulations, however, I do believe that Paypal Goods, would still cover me in the event that something happened to the cutlery once it left the seller's possession? The question is, how would Paypal determine accountability with this type of disclaimer?

I know that this issue has more than likely been covered before, but could somebody (Mod), please explain, who would be responsible in this instance, saying a shipped knife was damaged, or lost?

Thank you!

If you paid through PayPal and didn't receive the item, you would simply file a claim through PayPal. They would investigate and see if the item was delivered to you or not, easily done through delivery tracking and receipts. Then they would refund the money to your account, and remove the money from the seller's account.

I was involved in the sad case of a lost 8OT once. Bought it on eBay from a most reputable seller, and fellow forum member. Waited weeks, the item never arrived, so I started a claim. It was resolved fast, and a refund was issued promptly.

That's what you're paying for, after all, when you pay the service fees for the use of PayPal, eBay, or whoever.

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eBay has a new international shipping system that works in the same way. You use their service to ship to one of their listed foreign countries, and the deal is covered.
 
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