Is it time to rehabilitate Cold Steel? CONTROVERSIAL

[Jaytaylor]

We need a Cold Steel / Strider collaboration, that would be nice!

 

[marcinek]

So in answer to the original post, no, because those who like them don't think they need rehabilitation, and those that don't won't "rehabilitate" them anyway.

That was very nicely put! :thumbup:

 

[bradytx]

I'd give them a look if they produced knives in the USA.

 

[DShiflet]

They already admit it in a subtle manner in the knife's description on their website.

Right. So, when the CS rep says that ISN'T what they were doing, it's CS being dishonest(I don't blame the rep, I assume he was instructed as such), which is...fine? And when Strider is dishonest, it's...bad? Makes perfect sense, I now understand that you shouldn't ever lie to your customers, unless you're lying about copying knives, then it's okay, as long as the person you copied it from is a felon(or Spyderco?).

 

[jazub]

haha. Now I must have a Cold Steel GI Tanto.

 

[DShiflet]

haha. Now I must have a Cold Steel GI Tanto.

It's a nice knife, I like it. And at around $25, it really is a, well, steal.

 

[thepatriotsoutherner]

I really love cold steel I don't know why people hate on them my favorite is my trail hawk by them☺it's a really great tool

 

[Kwon Kwang]

Right. So, when the CS rep says that ISN'T what they were doing, it's CS being dishonest(I don't blame the rep, I assume he was instructed as such), which is...fine? And when Strider is dishonest, it's...bad? Makes perfect sense, I now understand that you shouldn't ever lie to your customers, unless you're lying about copying knives, then it's okay, as long as the person you copied it from is a felon(or Spyderco?).

Well, the rep wasn't necessarily lying. Tantos are kind of what Cold Steel is known for, and Strider, along with everyone else who is using the American tanto, is ripping off of Cold Steel. Does Cold Steel complain about it? Nope. Emulation is the highest form of flattery. I won't flip out about it either, although I really dislike most of the tantos other companies come out with because they are poorly designed IMO.

 

[DR.BOOM]

I went to a local knife shop and just for fun I handled a few cold steel knives. The AK I handled had some pretty dramatic blade play. Then I grabbed a voyager I think, just for fun we did some spine wacks and it failed 8 out of the 10 tries. After that I'm pretty much sold on never owning one. I can't imagine any quality brand having these issues so easily. Just my experience. Plus the videos are super lame.

 

[DShiflet]

Well, the rep wasn't necessarily lying. Tantos are kind of what Cold Steel is known for, and Strider, along with everyone else who is using the American tanto, is ripping off of Cold Steel. Does Cold Steel complain about it? Nope. Emulation is the highest form of flattery. I won't flip out about it either, although I really dislike most of the tantos other companies come out with because they are poorly designed IMO.

1)As already stated, those designs have a BIT more in common than just them being tantos.
1)Cold Steel didn't actually design the tanto, either the traditional or the "American" version. So, actually, no, just using the "American tanto" isn't ripping off Cold Steel, no more than using a clip point is ripping off Ka-bar(yes, they're known for it, but they didn't invent it). But if I put out a lockback folding American tanto with a 5.5 inch blade and black polymer handles in the exact same shape as the handles on the XL Voyager, well...yeah, some people might raise their eyebrows at that.

Dr. Boom, a Voyager failed spine wacks 8/10 times? I'm finding that a bit hard to believe, even the CS haters acknowledge how strong the triad lock is...

 

[jazub]

It's a nice knife, I like it. And at around $25, it really is a, well, steal.

Yeah, just saw that it's 25 bucks. Don't really need it but I'm in. What the hell, I like the story of it.

 

[DShiflet]

Yeah, just saw that it's 25 bucks. Don't really need it but I'm in. What the hell, I like the story of it.

I don't need the majority of knives I own...doesn't stop me from buying them though!

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I don't need the majority of knives I own...doesn't stop me from buying them though!

Just remember--need and want are different things!

 

[DShiflet]

Just remember--need and want are different things!

Exactly. I might confess that I don't actually NEED any of the things in that box you sent me on Monday, but I'm not any less excited to get it(today, if I'm lucky).

...and there's a Cold Steel product in there too!

 

[Jay S.]

I went to a local knife shop and just for fun I handled a few cold steel knives. The AK I handled had some pretty dramatic blade play. Then I grabbed a voyager I think, just for fun we did some spine wacks and it failed 8 out of the 10 tries. After that I'm pretty much sold on never owning one. I can't imagine any quality brand having these issues so easily. Just my experience. Plus the videos are super lame.

You started spine whacking knives in a knife shop? Seriously?

 

[singularity35]

I went to a local knife shop and just for fun I handled a few cold steel knives. The AK I handled had some pretty dramatic blade play. Then I grabbed a voyager I think, just for fun we did some spine wacks and it failed 8 out of the 10 tries. After that I'm pretty much sold on never owning one. I can't imagine any quality brand having these issues so easily. Just my experience. Plus the videos are super lame.

You mean you destroyed knives that you didn't own? That's pretty objectionable in my book. :thumbdn:

 

[DShiflet]

You started spine whacking knives in a knife shop? Seriously?

I'm really hoping/assuming that the owner is a friend/relative of his, and was okay with his testing, rather than him just randomly grabbing knives at a store and starting to beat them.

That said, I still question the results of his test, and would like to see some video or something of someone having the same problem(cause really, there's TONS of people on Youtube who test that lock with all sorts of stupid stuff, and to date I've only seen 3 videos of it NOT holding up, and 2 of those were possibly due to the user's accidentally depressing the lock and releasing the blade, rather than the lock failing.

 

[singularity35]

I'm really hoping/assuming that the owner is a friend/relative of his, and was okay with his testing, rather than him just randomly grabbing knives at a store and starting to beat them.

That said, I still question the results of his test, and would like to see some video or something of someone having the same problem(cause really, there's TONS of people on Youtube who test that lock with all sorts of stupid stuff, and to date I've only seen 3 videos of it NOT holding up, and 2 of those were possibly due to the user's accidentally depressing the lock and releasing the blade, rather than the lock failing.

^^This.

 

[crom]

Jay Taylor, CS and Strider already did collaborate, it's called the GITanto, hehe!

 

[Moses2792796]

I'm really hoping/assuming that the owner is a friend/relative of his, and was okay with his testing, rather than him just randomly grabbing knives at a store and starting to beat them.

That said, I still question the results of his test, and would like to see some video or something of someone having the same problem(cause really, there's TONS of people on Youtube who test that lock with all sorts of stupid stuff, and to date I've only seen 3 videos of it NOT holding up, and 2 of those were possibly due to the user's accidentally depressing the lock and releasing the blade, rather than the lock failing.

Same here, even people who don't like Cold Steel at all pretty much all accept that the Tri-Ad lock is extremely strong. I'm not really sure how that guy's story can be explained. Another possibility is that the knives were fakes.