Is the Sebenza the best folder that money can buy?

mathman said:
.....this forum is the least friendly.....

Whoa!! I respectfully disagree with THAT observation. I believe THIS forum is one of the friendliest and most helpful places around. (And I'm still a dumb newbie asking dumb questions when it comes to the 'tech' stuff.) I guess most people who've been around here a while just feel that the Sebenza love/hate/give me info threads are all available ad nauseam.

Now, if you want 'unfriendly' - visit a few of the forums (fori?) devoted to the Palm Smartphones like the Treo-650. If you DARE ask a question there that's even been answered just ONCE, you'll probably get flamed, roasted, and replied to with a downright NASTY response.

Comparatively, THIS place is filled with furry white kittens and warm snuggly bunnies! ;)
 
Krefcenz said:
It seemed rather difficult to open.

They are really particular in assembly. If it has been taken apart, it is very easy to put it back together and have it grate badly. Take it apart, clean it and make sure it is put back together correctly.

cockroachfarm said:
I believe THIS forum is one of the friendliest and most helpful places around.

It depends on what you ask and how, some makers/manufacturers and their fans do not take well to critism.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
.....It depends on what you ask and how, some makers/manufacturers and their fans do not take well to critism.....

Agreed, but I didn't see ANYONE here really jump down the original poster's throat - even the negative replies were civil.

OTOH, had he posed a similar 'oft-asked' question in my favorite Smartphone forum, at least 6 posters would have met him at the front door with "RTFM, a**hole!" and "Do a search, d***wad!"
 
cockroachfarm said:
Agreed, but I didn't see ANYONE here really jump down the original poster's throat - even the negative replies were civil.

Consider the thread as an introdution, how likely are the responces going to actually encourage someone to ask another question? It is clear that several people didn't want to see the question and would find it favorable to never see it again - this isn't overly helpful, as noted if you don't want to read something, don't open the thread.

OTOH, had he posed a similar 'oft-asked' question in my favorite Smartphone forum, at least 6 posters would have met him at the front door with "RTFM, a**hole!" and "Do a search, d***wad!"

There are indeed worse forums, and much less friendly knife ones, there are also sub forums here which are among the nicest seen. The HI, Busse and Spyderco forum for example would be a very nice way for people to get introduced to Bladeforums. There are also some forums which can be a bit rough for a beginner, such as rec.knives as Chas is fairly blunt and Alvin hits hype with tactical nukes, but if you read for awhile before posting and get an idea of what is going on you tend to appreciate the information content.

-Cliff
 
Well in most forums you're going to get some really knowledgable folks and some little kids who haven't left home yet, so there will be a mix of useful posts from those who have gone and done, and some "mister know-it-all" posts from people who haven't a clue about the world outside of their parents house.

Because of the jackass little kid posts, I suppose lots of people who have actually done something in the world stay away from forums in general so we get to miss out on their valuable knowledge.

Oh well, my best answer to most of these "best of" questions is get one and find out. If it fits and works, then use it, and if not, sell it while it's in top shape and try the next one on the list.

I expect I'll have to grab a large Sebbie before I'm done just to see what all the hubub is about, too!
 
if i'm not mistaking it's when you just flick your wrist or something like that and the blade opens. you don't have touch the blade at all.

Correct me if i'm wrong
 
Cliff Stamp said:
As with any comments on performance, so by the same logic you should not ask questions like "Does Shapton make the best benchstones?".

Yes and my logic is quite sound. If the person who answers that question has not used every branded benchstone the answer is prejudiced.
Tell me why that logic is not sound.

Cliff Stamp said:
2) Finish is irrelevant on a working knife which is how this knife is promoted, my used Sebenza looks horrible finish wise compared to any NIB FRN model which will also open and close smoother.


The illogic that I see is that finish is irrevelant to a working knife and that something in my post implies that the question should not be asked.

Finish. At the very least it is revelant to the cost of the knife. I am saying that a highly finished knife takes time and sometimes specialized tools or machines. I think it is reasonable to expect to pay extra for that and reasonable to expect to pay less for a rougher finish. That is quite relevant to me. I will agree that it in some cases be irrelevant if all that is being considerd is performance. But let's be honest, I firmly think the majority of folks given a choice of identical "working" knives at the same price with different grades of finish would choose the one with a finer finish and that is relevant.

Not asking the question. Not even relevent to my post.

My anser to the question.

For some the Sebenza is the best knife money can buy, for others it is not.

I have been lucky to see and use a lot of knives in 40 years of collecting and am unable to come up with the best knife money can buy, just my favorites of those I have been exposed to.
 
Bastid said:
Yes and my logic is quite sound. If the person who answers that question has not used every branded benchstone the answer is prejudiced.

I would argue that it is not what the word means in common use and is even a stretch by some of its mildest definations
[*]. If I ask a maker for his opinion on the best blade steel in a working bowie and he discusses what he has used and gives his answer clearly without intent to promote his own knives, or unfairly critize others by ignoring relevant facts, then no I don't see this as predjudiced.

By your defination it is impossible for anyone to give an unprejudiced statement of quality because no one has used every knife, stone, hammer, boots or whatever. I would see prejudice when someone forms an unjust opinion by ignoring facts presented to them, or by not making a rational decision in the first place, as in "The Sebenza is a horrible knife because all knives that start with the letter S are tools of the devil."

[finish]

I think it is reasonable to expect to pay extra for that and reasonable to expect to pay less for a rougher finish.

As noted, I would argue the finish is useless on a working knife because the best finished knife when used significantly looks worse than the knife with the worst finish NIB. Thus you are getting nothing functional for your money and in a working knife as noted, what you are paying for is performance.

Makers could easily switch to using more inefficient methods such as using lower quality belts which would make them spend more time on the knife, by your arguement they should then charge more for the knife and the consumer should be willing to spend it. I would argue that they should simply use better belts.

Or maybe they have really horrible quality control which causes them to throw out one out of every two knives thus they need to double their prices. Would you also argue the consumer should pay more for that compared to another maker who takes more care and rejects far less pieces?

-Cliff

[*]possibly the weakest defination is "forming an unjust opinion without consideration of the facts" you can stretch this to cover any opinion as no one knows all the facts obviously, but as noted, this would make any and all statements/judgements predjuiced which is then a meaningless word, it is usually taken to mean "facts presented" or "facts known", thus ignoring information intentionally is a prejudice being ignorant isn't because otherwise everyone is prejudiced on everything
 
Cliff Stamp said:
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My Response...BLAH BLAH??? BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... :yawn:
 
If I showed you a bar of 1010 mild steel and 1075 tool steel and asked which one would make a better knife would it be impossible to answer because better is subjective?

Cliff, I think what he meant was that the BEST knife is subjective in that each person needs a knife that can suit their own needs. What defines best? A great slicer can't be a great chopper ;)
 
Are they a well made knife? Yes.
Are they the "Best Folder"? Hard to say.

In my opinion I think they are a nice knife but I really don't like that big of a cut-out for access to the framelock.
 
And finish DOES matter. A mirror polish will reduce friction, so if we're going to split hairs about "the best knife" then a mirror finish polished Sebenza is > a satin one :D Come on people, I doubt it's the best folding knife, I'm positive there are much better customs out there. Accept it for what it is: an expensive but well-made folder. Personally, if someone gave me a Sebenza, I'd sell it and buy ~16 Swiss Army knives. :cool:
 
Cliff Stamp said:
*Insert the sound of a pompous windbag deflating here*
Cliff..... let me be the 193,496 person in your life to tell you:
SHUT UP ALREADY!
The only thing about you that seems to hold intrest is the fact that razor sharp logic can't seem to cut through that brick noggin of yours. I don't know if the heat treat was wrong or the bevels are off, but please....PLEASE click your teeth (in this case fingers I guess) together and bow out of a conversation where you are not wanted. Are you on a "Stupid Jihad" crusading against normal people everywhere? Send me your addy and in return I will send you a medium size rock to converse with. I promise it will be more interested in your thoughts than we are. That is all.
 
Personally I have handled a sebbie at shows. It was a VERY nice knife. That said, I would not say its the best. I have handled nicer customs. There are some productions that I prefer. For example, keeping in mind that I did not get to use the sebbie, I would rather carry my paramilitary than the sebbie.
 
For example, keeping in mind that I did not get to use the sebbie, I would rather carry my paramilitary than the sebbie.

That's a good point, and kind of what I was getting at. There are all kinds of criteria for a blade and no knife can have them all, so I can't say that I think there can be a "best". Even if a knife has a superior grind, materials, geometry, handle, lock it's probably expensive, and I can't picture myself using a >$500 knife like I would a Delica or Swiss Army Knife. If you can get past the price tag and use the knife, and it has the perfect features, then you found the "best knife money can buy". I for one wouldn't buy a knife that expensive in the first place nevermind use it as hard as something less than $50.
 
I handled one at a local So. Cal knife shop, Advance Cutlery. After hearing so much about it, I wanted to see one for myself. I noticed that the blade was not centered. I informed the shopkeeper and the said they were going to return it. Now, there's a different one in the shop with a centered blade.

My initial impressions were that it seemed like a well made, high quality knife. It did not seem as indestructable a s other folders I have handled, Lightfoot and Darrel Ralph, and my edc the Trider SMF.

Bottom line, I wouldn't buy one, thought it's a nice knife. I think you can get tougher for the same money. Which is my main criteria for a folding knife.

Cliff
 
This thread has been seriously entertaining....For all the time I have lurked at BF I have read a few of the "Sebenza vs. blah blah blah" threads....no doubt they all end the same. So, to that end, I thought I would add my own thought on the previous posts. Be that as it may, they are just my own opinions...

I am not chopping down trees with ANY of the knives that I have...I am NOT one of the only surviving members of a nuclear holocost looking to hunt down "CHUDS" (borrowed from an earlier post.
I have a feeling most knives are not used to their full potential in the first place. :rolleyes:

Now, as for the cost of the Reeve lineup...Hrmm...Lets put this in terms that I think everyone might understand. I certainly don't work for nothing. I suspect that the majority of people on BF make decent money....Why should we not expect Reeve to make something above "mcMinimum" for his efforts? His people certainly aren't going to work for free either....Let us not forget about tooling costs...I'm sure that tooling is something people take for granted....Ever buy any quality endmills or drills? They don't give those away either.....Reeve simply doesn't have have a shop the size of a small Walmart to produce in....This would be by design I imagine. Supply and demand...Keep production to relatively low numbers and you can justify charging more for your product. In my opinion....better this than getting too large and having to either lay off your workforce or even worse....Sending it overseas...
(last comment is a personal fav as my field of work is being offshored heavily cuz I be a modelmaker/toolmaker or NC Machinist)

So, I have to ask....Not sure if it has been asked before but here it goes...Cliff, you seem to be a repository of knowledge. Seems to be some engineering skills in there...Why aren't you making knives? I have seen a review or two....You have certainly destroyed your fair share of knives. You would seem to be the perfect candidate to design and build one. Just a thought.....*dawns flame suit*

Ok...I think I have said about enuff on this...But, I did get quite a laugh out of Ren and Marty....I must have been laughing for 15 minutes in tears!

Bill

Wonder when this **** of a thread is going to start circling the black hole of the big white bowl?
 
Dang it! This Thread is kaput now, and here I had brought popcorn for everyone!
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