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[Lone_Wolfe]

This thread was posted before I received a response. Regardless of wether remediation was offered or not, this is not what we should expect from each other. The whole thing started off on the wrong foot and I should have known better than to proceed, maybe it's my fault that this all happened to begin with. That doesn't excuse misrepresenting the knife and shipping in a way that the box to a $500 knife is severely damaged, and hurts it's resale value.
I was asked how I would like to proceed. I'm not one to ask for a few bucks back. I don't need the $20-30 bucks, I wanted the knife.

The point is that he made a mistake, anyone can make mistakes, then he asked how you wanted to proceed. You could have asked for some money back, a return, etc. You didn't even give him a chance to make it right. I've made mistakes myself, and lucky for me, all but one underage buyer gave me the chance to correct it because slamming me in here. I'm very reluctant to deal with you now, as I might make another mistake in my life and if it was you wouldn't be allowed to fix it.

 

[Jedi22]

The point is that he made a mistake, anyone can make mistakes, then he asked how you wanted to proceed. You could have asked for some money back, a return, etc. You didn't even give him a chance to make it right. I've made mistakes myself, and lucky for me, all but one underage buyer gave me the chance to correct it because slamming me in here. I'm very reluctant to deal with you now, as I might make another mistake in my life and if it was you wouldn't be allowed to fix it.

Listen, let's not BS each other, shipping a $500 knife in an envelope is a mistake, calling a knife with snail trails and fading is also a mistake? Saying YMMV on what's LNIB is another mistake?




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[Lone_Wolfe]

Listen, let's not BS each other, shipping a $500 knife in an envelope is a mistake, calling a knife with snail trails and fading is also a mistake? Saying YMMV on what's LNIB is another mistake?

Why didn't you return it for a refund, or at least take some cash back? He tried to make right, you wouldn't let him.

 

[HappyDaddy]

Just one man's opinion here: It isn't necessary or useful try to determine a "winner" and "loser" here. The seller made some mistakes, which he's acknowledged. He appears to be new to the knife selling thing. If he screws up again here, we'll hear about it. OP wasn't out of line to alert folks to the problems with the knife, and its deviation from any reasonable interpretation of LNIB. Whether he and the seller had agreed on some resolution is beside the point (though ideally, the OP probably should have held his fire until he heard back from the seller. It would have been good to know how that bit went as part of the original post). There are potential buyers who would want to know this information. That's what GBU is for. Lord knows the feedback system wouldn't be of any use in this situation.

 

[Gastonknife]

Wow, yet another full circle thread. Sounds like the seller may have made an error listing condition (no real proof yet- need pics- but let's assume that is the case). OP goes ahead and slams seller within hours after notifying them of the concern. Doesn't even wait for a response.......that is just plain wrong. Then when gets a response (very timely it seems), OP basically misrepresents the sellers response here. Seller asked the OP how he wanted to resolve. Yes, seller made an error but seems to be able to recognize the error and offer to make it right.
Thank you to the OP for letting us know who not to deal with.......and it's not the seller.

 

[wiredbeans]

It sounds like the guy doesn't care about the knife and just want to get rid of it... but asking for a LNIB price and showed up used with beat up box is just disrespectful to the person on the receiving end. I suspect the box is probably already beat up to begin with and this is the only way he can excuse himself and play dumb when he gets called out. I'd send it back and see if he own up to it.

LW,... this isn't about making mistakes, it's about premeditation and intention, he knows the condition of the knife but choose to be dishonest about it.

Btw,... rookie? with a CRK? I don't buy it


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[Jedi22]

you know what, I count my praises that you know not to deal with me, because I would not want to deal with someone like you either. To those of you who think its excusable sending a product that someone paid a lot of money for, in the condition it was sent in, and lying about it in the original listing is ok, you're a moron, plain and simple. This seller describes the knife one way, sends it another way. SOO he takes his chances with the buyer, if the buyer doesn't catch it or doesn't care, he wins. If the buyer wants a refund or some money back, oh well he tried. complete and utter BULLSHIT, and you can strike me on that one.

 

[Gizmoman]

If the BUYER Is NOT happy..The deal needs to be reversed..NO QUESTIONS asked..
Not a rule
Just proper etiquette and proves the sellers self worth
Not to mention the sellers name being placed in a thread such as this

NycEric
Reach out to a Moderator to help with this mediation..
That is why they are here...To help
Perhaps a bit premature with the threads
On the other hand..Allow the buyer to make it right as well.

Some folks see things in a knife differently
Most condition is evident unless the seller is being deceptive

Before you buy..If your gut tells you something please ask for
as many pictures as you would like from the seller
If they wont..That should speak in volumes of their character
or lack there of..

And turn down the deal or the talks..
Before you "Say You"ll Take It" get your ducks in a row
and do some homework on the seller and ask as many questions as you would like..

Packaging knives for shipping is like this..
I look at some of the F$#@@# up ways knives have made it to me.
AMAZING they got to me..
I box a knife..Well sealed..Well boxed up (Bomb and Thief Proof)
I want a knife coming to me to be similar..Its not alot to ask
It should be common sense...

 

[hoodtube12]

The 940 that I bought was in exactly the same condition as the pictures in the listing suggested. Did you ask to see additional pics? I can speak from experience since I bought a knife from the same seller, on the same day, from the same thread. Sorry you're upset about the box. The seller definitely doesn't deserve you starting a thread regarding the transaction etc before he even had a chance to respond. Not a good look.

 

[Jedi22]

The 940 that I bought was in exactly the same condition as the pictures in the listing suggested. Did you ask to see additional pics? I can speak from experience since I bought a knife from the same seller, on the same day, from the same thread. Sorry you're upset about the box. The seller definitely doesn't deserve you starting a thread regarding the transaction etc before he even had a chance to respond. Not a good look.

Again, the point is the problem with my knife received, not yours. I'm very happy your transaction went without a hitch, but that does not reflect on my transaction. Why does the seller not deserve this? Wouldn't you want to know if someone you are sending $440 to misrepresented a knife in the past, and shipped in an envelope in which the knife packaging was destroyed in the process? When someone says LNIB is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV, call me crazy but that's BS. Lnib quite literally means like new in box. I see it as the seller acknowledging the marks on the knife and the fading of the thumb stud, and stating that to him, it passes for Lnib. That's a clear case of misrepresenting a knife.


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[craytab]

you know what, I count my praises that you know not to deal with me, because I would not want to deal with someone like you either. To those of you who think its excusable sending a product that someone paid a lot of money for, in the condition it was sent in, and lying about it in the original listing is ok, you're a moron, plain and simple. This seller describes the knife one way, sends it another way. SOO he takes his chances with the buyer, if the buyer doesn't catch it or doesn't care, he wins. If the buyer wants a refund or some money back, oh well he tried. complete and utter BULLSHIT, and you can strike me on that one.

I'd still like to see pictures if you please. I mean, how big of a "mistake" are we talking?

 

[benchwarmer380]

you know what, I count my praises that you know not to deal with me, because I would not want to deal with someone like you either. To those of you who think its excusable sending a product that someone paid a lot of money for, in the condition it was sent in, and lying about it in the original listing is ok, you're a moron, plain and simple. This seller describes the knife one way, sends it another way. SOO he takes his chances with the buyer, if the buyer doesn't catch it or doesn't care, he wins. If the buyer wants a refund or some money back, oh well he tried. complete and utter BULLSHIT, and you can strike me on that one.

I hope that you're not mistaking poor practices employed by inexperience for malicious intent. Hard to tell which it is in this situation, yet by the sellers post here and willingness to make things right I will go with the former for now.

NycEric, the seller's mistake have already been highlighted plenty but I would like to point out a mistake that kind of swings both ways.

Lg 21 Sebenza CF Inlay LNIB. Carried sparingly This is from the sales thread that you purchased the knife from. LNIB & carried sparingly? Considering people clearly have different ideas of what LNIB is and taht carried sparingly could mean 4 times in a year or 4 times a month, those two phrases, especially regarding the same item, leave way too much room for variation to know exactly what you're getting. Basically what I'm saying is that while you didn't get what you expected, the seller still may have shipped exactly what he listed. Asking for details or more pictures on a bare bones sales listing is a must when buying high priced items.

Also, I don't know when you messaged him or when he responded back, but it would have been in much better form to actually wait for his response (or at least a reasonable amount of time) before you start a thread about him. Even if his actions prior to a response warranted a thread on their own.

Many lesson to take from this one.

 

[benchwarmer380]

When someone says LNIB is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV, call me crazy but that's BS. Lnib quite literally means like new in box. I see it as the seller acknowledging the marks on the knife and the fading of the thumb stud, and stating that to him, it passes for Lnib. That's a clear case of misrepresenting a knife.

Yes, that response would perturb me as well. However, they also did the right thing by offering to remedy their mistake which you declined.

 

[Gary L]

waiting for pictures...

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

........... you're a moron, plain and simple. ..............

This is what people often do when they're losing the argument, and it says more about you than anything else you've said. That, and the way you responded in the thread calling out your mistakes. I also noticed that when the seller said this,

I got the knife last night and messaged him today. He responded apologizing and said he considers the knife Lnib according to his standards

you left out the next thing he said, asking how you wanted to proceed. Why not report everything he said, not just the part that makes it look like he blew you off.


For the record, if I'd gotten that knife as far from the description as you described, I'd insist on a full refund AND paid for return shipping. If he refused, that would all go into my GBU thread.

 

[Jedi22]

This is what people often do when they're losing the argument, and it says more about you than anything else you've said.

Why don't you quote me in context, or include the whole sentence. It says more about you than anything else that you quoted me, deleted everything else I wrote and commented on that partial sentence.


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[Lone_Wolfe]

This is what people often do when they're losing the argument, and it says more about you than anything else you've said.

Why don't you quote me in context, or include the whole sentence. It says more about you than anything else that you quoted me, deleted everything else I wrote and commented on that partial sentence.

Because I was only addressing the insult. I could have done that, or I could have bolded the insult, either way. You could have made that entire post minus the insult, and made your point much better. Just like you quoted only part of my post, so you could focus on one thing.

 

[Jedi22]

Because I was only addressing the insult. I could have done that, or I could have bolded the insult, either way. You could have made that entire post minus the insult, and made your point much better.

The person I wrote about here insulted everyone's intelligence on this forum by describing a knife as Lnib which clearly isn't, and this offends you and you defend him...some of you guys really are something else


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[Lone_Wolfe]

The person I wrote about here insulted everyone's intelligence on this forum by describing a knife as Lnib which clearly isn't, and this offends you and you defend him...some of you guys really are something else

Not defending him, he'd have made me whole on that knife. Even if I decided I wanted if for a user, I'd have been asking for the difference in value refunded to me. Just saying I think you could have handled it better.

 

[Gary L]

are you going to post pictures sir?