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This is a clear cut case guys.... buyer assumed ALL RESPONSIBILITY AND RISKS of the transaction. The only reason sellers even say this is to open up the knife market to people outside CONUS because this is a knife community and so if anything is doing the BUYERS of a foreign country a FAVOR. Meaning, if I lived somewhere outside of the CONUS but am not able to purchase the knives I dearly want like a CRK, Strider, custom knives whatever; Im sure it would suck ass. for me.

Lets be honest, everyone here knows about Russias shady customs, but we still see Russian people in Russia owning USA made knives. Many, in fact. But we also do hear horror storys, and Im pretty sure the buyers in Russia knows them all too well.

Heres the important part that I see many of the people defending the buyer here is trying to make.... you guys say its the Sellers responsibility to refund or make things right because the Seller THINKS the knife wont make it there so he shouldnt have sent it out in the first place and as such needs to make things right....
Gentleman, its Russia..... I am pretty confident that everyone here worrys and avoid Russia or foreign countrys in general and keeps their buy/sell/trade CONUS.
But just like every individual we cant really tell any person how to spend their hard earned money, its their money. That person came to terms with his or herself and purchased a knife KNOWING the risks of international shipping AND going through CUSTOMS(!!).
Maybe you accepted these sort of terms all the time or for whatever in fact because it never has happened to you before so if it happens now its the other persons fault... This is what it looks like to me and also looks like he got burned for the first time. He insured and even tried to claim it (although denied..), what more could you ask from the seller?

It is and always should be to the Buyers knowledge of his or her own knife laws in his or her own origin.
I.E I own some automatic knives, but ofcourse these are not allowed in many states in the CONUS. And even if they are allowed, some countys laws prohibit even that.
To everyone that sells a knife to an individual on this forum; Do you go do research about the state and local laws of the destination where the knife is heading to? Because I sure as hell never did. The only important thing for me to do was to leave a tracking number.

My 0.02
 
What reason is there to believe that insurance was even purchased or a claim for insurance made? There is also no proof from the seller.

Karda, in the original thread the seller said he sent the insurance documents to the buyer after it was denied. Now, neither the buyer or seller is contributing here anymore and we are all just spinning our wheels but we have not heard from the buyer that this is to the contrary so we must assume it happened.

Cray, what did the seller do that was 'Shady' ??

Besides not being versed in Russian law, and postal system issues....

Well, it is my opinion that asking a buyer to assume all risk is a bit shaddy. I would never enter into sale like that unless I could pay with paypal goods because then anything the seller stipulates is trumped by the paypal TOS. Further he had the guy pay for insurance. Again, in an honest transaction this is always on the seller. Last, and I don't know this for a fact, I believe he accepted paypal gift. Doing so, no matter the terms agreed to, alows the seller to completely take advantage of the buyer. And at the end of the day, the seller has the money and the buyer has no knife. This is why I wouldn't ship international. I as an honest seller would need to use paypal goods. I as an honest seller would insure the item to protect myself. I as an honest seller would refund the buyer should something go wrong and seek reimbursement from the insurance. Anything other than this seems shaddy to me.

It's all very simple. If you don't like the terms, don't buy the knife.

If the seller seems 'shady' don't buy the knife.

If the terms don't work in your country, don't buy the knife.

If you know that it's illegal and has a better then average chance of getting 'lost' don't buy the knife.

If you still want to buy the knife after all of that, then take the responsibility when things go wrong.

Rocket science this is not.....

Even though I said what I did above this quote, at the end of the day ^this is it. You don't have to agree to screw yourself. End of story.
 
As a seller I wouldn't take the gamble. There are too many different laws,customs, and other forces at work when shipments go outside the borders that make it risky. Many people will ship and never have a problem, but all it takes is one expensive bad experience and then here we have a thread. I hate to leave our international brothers out of sales and trades but who can afford to eat $1000.00 on a shipment that even insurance won't even cover. I'm not going to allow a buyer to enter an all risk agreement and screw themselves but I'm not going to screw myself either.Then you have a buyer that agrees to accept all risk and back peddles when the poop hits the fan. In hindsight the best thing to have done is not allow someone to enter in such agreement and just say no to shipping out of the Country.
 
When i sell things its conus. If someone insists i sell outside that comfort zone i insist they assume all risk. It has nothing to do with me being shady or trying to scam. In actuality its to prevent myself from being scammed. And unfortunately many out of country buyers want you to lie about the value, so if you do insure it and it gets "lost" theni get back what $25? Not to mention i have had buyers insist on the cheapest shipping method in which insurance and tracking both stop once its out of the country. Either way no mattr what someone on this site thinks is a shady selling practice its really a shut case if the buyer accepts those terms.
 
Ok heres the end result on this
Buyer completely lost touch with reality and WAITED a very very long time to follow up.
Second..
THE Buyer---"""See the quotes """BUYER""" consented to terms...
If I sell out of USA
I lay out CRYSTAL CLEAR Terms..
After that baby leaves my hand and provide tracking info.
"""OUT OF MY HANDS"""
These freaking out of USA sales are not only a hassle..They end up slamming a member in GOOD standings reputation..
WELL because the BUYERS leaves out information..OR he/she is just pissed Customs got it or it never made it.
THE BUYER knew the RISK before they forked down the cash.
I know Im offending people out of USA and I have shipped out of USA on numerous occasional
Its is simple a matter of the backlash that seems to happen..Not worth my reputation getting dragged thru the mud..
These are my opinions..
AS of this thread..
I WILL---NEVER ship out of USA ---NEVER AGAIN..
Its not worth this BS......................
 
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When i sell things its conus. If someone insists i sell outside that comfort zone i insist they assume all risk. It has nothing to do with me being shady or trying to scam. In actuality its to prevent myself from being scammed. And unfortunately many out of country buyers want you to lie about the value, so if you do insure it and it gets "lost" theni get back what $25? Not to mention i have had buyers insist on the cheapest shipping method in which insurance and tracking both stop once its out of the country. Either way no mattr what someone on this site thinks is a shady selling practice its really a shut case if the buyer accepts those terms.

I agree on the terms accepted but if I don't think I can get the item to them without the other stuff you mention, I won't sell it. Not worth it to me as seen in this very thread. The buyer accepted the terms and this is still a mess. Not worth it. That is why I only sell in the US. Sucks for international folks but it is what it is.
 
AS of this thread..
I WILL---NEVER ship out of USA ---NEVER AGAIN..
Its not worth this BS......................

Not the first time, and we have warned people, overseas sales are a bit more trouble, don't add a lot of potential buyers to the much larger US customer base, and can and do blow up into a lot of aggravation for the US seller.

Every time we get a thread like this, a totally hapless overseas buyer, we lose more US sellers willing to take the chance.

Next time someone asks "why US only" point them to this thread.
 
It IS sad that people may not want to send overseas because of problems like this. I've never had a single issue with buying from US dealers or buying/trading on many forums. It's a shame places like Switzerland who are knife/gun friendly with an excellent postal services get lumped into the same category as Russia and the ilk.
 
The only reason sellers even say this is to open up the knife market to people outside CONUS because this is a knife community and so if anything is doing the BUYERS of a foreign country a FAVOR. Meaning, if I lived somewhere outside of the CONUS but am not able to purchase the knives I dearly want like a CRK, Strider, custom knives whatever; Im sure it would suck ass. for me.

I am pretty confident that everyone here worrys and avoid Russia or foreign countrys in general and keeps their buy/sell/trade CONUS.

I.E I own some automatic knives, but ofcourse these are not allowed in many states in the CONUS.

I don't think you know what the term CONUS means. we have 50 states with all the same postal laws/protection, not 48
 
Really dont know how a seller can refund someone their money after EMS "stole" the knife.

Thats what im getting from last sentence in OP.

Im NEVER shipping out the US..
 
I don't think you know what the term CONUS means. we have 50 states with all the same postal laws/protection, not 48

If we really want to knitpick over the term then you forgot that there are a few us territories outside the fifty states that have access to he same postal system.
 
If we really want to knitpick over the term then you forgot that there are a few us territories outside the fifty states that have access to he same postal system.

Or we could really nitpick and use the actual defintion of the acronym! :D

CONUS, a technical term used by the U.S. Department of Defense, General Services Administration, NOAA/National Weather Service, and others has been defined both as the continental United States, and as the 48 contiguous states. The District of Columbia is not always specifically mentioned as being part of CONUS.
 
If we really want to knitpick over the term then you forgot that there are a few us territories outside the fifty states that have access to he same postal system.

Yeah, and that is why I say 50 United States. The only thing I have ever lost in the USPS system was in one of those territories.
 
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CONUS = 48 connected states
US50 = All 50 states (a lot of people still don't know Alaska and Hawaii are states)
US50 + Territories = Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, and the DC, etc.
International = Anywhere outside the US

That is what I'd like to see in sales threads.
 
Just saw this thread today.

Feel I have stated all I need to on this subject in the other thread already, assume the moderators here agreed as the initial thread was closed. Nonetheless, below is more information.

For anyone questioning, this link contains a list of restricted items to send to Russian according to USPS: https://about.usps.com/publications/pub141/russia.htm

Before USPS shared this information with me, I was unaware and had shipped there previously with no issues. I would not sell/ship anything to someone not thinking it would not make it there or intentionally cause them any problems. Further, this item was shipped/insured from the USPS counter and listed as cutlery on customs form. I inquired why they would ship/insure a restricted item and was never provided with a reasonable answer, only that I was SOL on the claim. Tried to follow up on several times by phone and at the local PO with no results.

Other than a vague claim by registered user morda to be scale3.5, I have no idea who this person is and have had no dealings with anyone going by this handle. The situation with scale3.5's supposed stolen knife occurred in June 2014 and was dealt with at that time {info supplied, filed claim etc as already stated}. Recall checking in with a mod around that time as well but may have been related to explaining why scale3.5 was posting random comments in my sale threads. More recently, I've also explained to other moderators here as well.

At this point, I feel morda's only intent by posting is to defame me, request the posts/threads to end, and this thread closed as well as any subsequent related to this matter. If any mods need further details from me, feel free to contact me at any time.

EDIT: I see scale3.5 is apparently banned so why is this even a conversation?
 
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