Izula as a tactical fighter?

Rule #1 of a knife fight? You WILL get cut.
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Winners drip....But losers gush :eek: So says my Kali instructor.

After a year of training in a brutal family system of Kali, I've learned enough to know how freaking dangerous knives and sticks are when people know how to use them. You need to do force on force to realize how quickly you can end up dead playing with knives. The line between dripping and gushing can be very thin, it's not hard to imagine two guys inflicting fatal cuts, but neither realizing it before it is too late.

There are so many rediculous misconceptions repeated every time someone brings up fighting with a knife. People need to go out and get serious training by someone who has dealt with knives, for real, before they repeat more unrealistic nonsense. I'm guessing it's the same guys who shoot at a square range, standing still, at stationary targets and then think that they are gunfighters.

Guns aren't guarenteed victory over a knife. Whoever coined the term "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" would be suprised if he ever got caught up close by someone who knew what they were doing. Terrain and surprise can do that, even to the most aware. It's hard for a defender to shoot someone when his target suddenly appears 45 degrees to his center and cuts him 3 or 4 times by the time he realizes what is happening, because he was too busy worrying about drawing his gun to pay attention to the fight. If the defender does get a shot off, it can be very easy for the attacker to continue cutting and moving even after being shot, unless hit in just the right place at just the right time.

Be careful guys, you never know what others are capable of :(
 
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There is a ton of baggage associated with these words:

Tactical.

Knifefighting.

Fighting Knife.

Tactical Knife.

Here are axioms or "sayings" that should be avoided like the plague:

Never bring a knife to a gunfight. If you repeat this, you get what you deserve.

Guns are for show, knives are for pros. The other end of the spectrum, if you repeat this, you get what you deserve, too.

You will always be cut.

As a matter of fact, you can pretty much write off anyone that says "you will always" be anything. What are you, Kreskin? :D

These words and phrases are so strong that they then control the discussion from the very start and the next thing you know, you have people posting stupid pictures of a balloon knot like Jean Luc Prickhard with his face in his palm to make a lame point from a position of ignorance in the first place.

If you would admit you don't know anything about it, why post as you do? Do you go to the local garage and listen to the mechanic discuss something and say, "Well, uh, if you can't reach the bolt with this extension, why don't you use a hammer instead?" Heaven forbid you be allowed into an operating room. :rolleyes:

Here is wisdom, let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast:

"The Izula is a utility knife, not a fighting knife. However, I could very easily see somebody getting messed up badly with one. It's not the tool, it's the user. The standard "sewing machine" method used in prisons is proven to be VERY effective, and I can tell you (by using it on hogs) that the Izula can do this "technique" effortlessly. Again, it's the user, not the tool." - JNieporte

Knives are very effective weapons, they are not the panacea for all self-defense problems but "survival tool" takes on a totally different meaning when you are confronted with someone in a campground or wherever that means to do you or yours harm.
 
Don Rearic said:
These words and phrases are so strong that they then control the discussion from the very start and the next thing you know, you have people posting stupid pictures of a balloon knot like Jean Luc Prickhard with his face in his palm to make a lame point from a position of ignorance in the first place.
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By my post how would you, over the enet, know anything in regards to my position; relative to the subject of using a bladed weapon? You’re talking of ignorance and making assumptions; it’s rather befitting.
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On this medium, what else can you go by but what someone writes? Ultimately, I don't care. I show my brothers discussions like this and he's more of a cynic than I am, "Why would you tell them anything they could use to save their life anyway?" :D

When I pare away all the crap and nonsense, myth and legend, I always end up being the bad guy in these types of discussions. Even when I tell a guy he's just ignorant because he cannot get a ferrocerium rod to start a fire, I end up being the bad guy.

So, believe what you will!

Keep the lore of it all. What was written on the edge of maps when all the smart folks thought the world was flat? "Here, there be dragons?" So be it. :)
 
I think the izula is a great knife for self defense and, for many reasons its light i always have it on me, most sheeple don't fear it and it seperates matter. you are not going to be thinking darn my knife is too little or to fat when someone is trying to kill you. and remeber unless someone is trying to kill you most states if not all of them will put you in jail for useing lethal force for any other reason. it does not take a lot of training or a big knife to be dangerous. all you need is something sharp and alot of will to live.
 
Don Rearic said:
Even when I tell a guy he's just ignorant because he cannot get a ferrocerium rod to start a fire, I end up being the bad guy.

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LOL Fail.

That is not what your were basing judgment upon, but it is clear now that your point was lacking validity, you have made that evident with your use of insult rather than logic.
If you can find a thread or post where I have indicated being unable to start a fire using a ferrocerium rod you can take shelter in that argument and not see that your totally full of bs right now.
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Don Rearic said:
On this medium, what else can you go by but what someone writes?
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That's a good point, on the interwebz all you have to go by is exactly what and how others type.

Even if people don't understand or agree with you right away, you can plant the idea in their head and later on, when their misconceptions are found to be unfounded in reality, they will know that there are other ways of thinking out there and can dig in deeper if they feel like it.

You might save someone's life by chiming in ;)
 
crowdog said:
LOL Fail.

That is not what your were basing judgment upon, but it is clear now that your point was lacking validity, you have made that evident with your use of insult rather than logic.
If you can find a thread or post where I have indicated being unable to start a fire using a ferrocerium rod you can take shelter in that argument and not see that your totally full of bs right now.
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LOL, LOL, LOL, I didn't say you were the one that couldn't get a ferrocerium rod to start, you child. Don't you have a picture of a cat with its eyes bugged out or falling off of a countertop to add now, Mr. Intellect? LOL :D

P.S., one of the great things about using your name is you have to be responsible for what you say even when you are wrong. It's really a shame that people were not encouraged early on to actually use their real name on forums.
 
We need to define what "tactical" is before deciding if it is useful. Are we talking blade to blade? Blade to gun? empty hand to blade?

How experienced a fighter is the other person? How experienced is the other person when it comes to blades?

When I look at a knife one of my thoughts beyond using it in the workplace or whatever is if I can use it tactically. If it is a folder, how fast can I draw and open it. If I have a jacket on, how hard is it to get under the jacket and draw the knife.

Others have mentioned size and thickness, the shape of the knife not being conducive to stabbing. None of these things matter much IMO when it comes to knife fighting.

I want a knife that does 2 things:
1) is comfortable and stable in the hand (which will also make it more difficult to strip.
2) will do damage to the other person.

IMO the Izula fits both categories.

That said, just because it works for me does not mean it will work for you.

A wise man once said "The best tactical fighting knife is the one you have on you when it is needed". I believe this to be very valid. Would your 12" Rambo combat knife do more damage than the Izula? Yea, probably, if you know how to use it. But do you have it on you ALL THE TIME. The Izula is IMO an EDC. Strap it on somewhere, practice drawing it, then forget about it. A larger so called "fighting" knife is so big and awkward to carry you won't have it on you all day every day.

I'll take an Izula any day over a larger "fighting" knife anyday...
 
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Wow, this thread has a lot of opinions. So I might as well add mine.

First those that say it would not make a good fighting knife because it lacks in the penetrating dept. I have to disagree. When I was taught knife tactics A LOT of techniques were slashes, to the main arteries, like the carotid, under the arms and in the groin area.

Yes, I would pick a gun or different knife first if I knew I was gonna get in a fight, but that's not the point. I could see the izula filling a good niche riveted behind magazine pouches on my belt. When someone goes for my gun whatever is extended into my bubble is getting slashed to Sh**! My strong hand will go to my gun and most likely other techniques might fail so I will go to my izula, with my weak hand, which the idiot probably didn't see hiding behind my mags and being so thin I wouldn't notice it either until I need it. Once the idiot realizes he is getting f-ed up he will most likely let go of my gun, or next slashes are going to his carotid, then he gets two hot ones to the chest and one to his face.

It may not be the best choice but I would carry it in a heartbeat.
 
JNieporte said:
The Izula is a utility knife, not a fighting knife. However, I could very easily see somebody getting messed up badly with one. It's not the tool, it's the user. The standard "sewing machine" method used in prisons is proven to be VERY effective, and I can tell you (by using it on hogs) that the Izula can do this "technique" effortlessly. Again, it's the user, not the tool.
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+2:thumbup:
 
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Don Rearic said:
LOL, LOL, LOL, I didn't say you were the one that couldn't get a ferrocerium rod to start, you child. Don't you have a picture of a cat with its eyes bugged out or falling off of a countertop to add now, Mr. Intellect? LOL :D
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I misunderstood your poorly articulated rant, sorry.
thanks you've got me laughing today.:thumbup::D
 
Many deep structures can be accessed on a hard thrust due to flesh compression. A two inch blade can penetrate, at times, over twice its length. It depends on how hard the thrust is and the precise area. It's harder to compress the ribcage but it does flex a bit, you wouldn't be able to breathe if it didn't. But you can take a very, very small knife and reach a lot of vital targets.
 
Don Rearic said:
I know, I forgot to add "a fire" after "start." Are you done now, troll? Can the adults talk now, child?
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You’re calling me a troll and a child but you’re the one continually casting forth insults;
again you seemingly epitomize that which you use in your attempts at de-validate me.


I apologized for my misunderstanding and you are continuing on
 
I'm sorry for my part in impeding everyone’s discussion, any thing further Mr. Relic take it to my pm.
 
There are intelligent posts in this thread. If The Powers That Be cannot figure out which are intelligent and which are just blabbing, then they can ban me for "insulting" you buy calling you a troll when you are trolling or a child when you are being childish. I don't really care.
 
From my reading, I believe that US Special Forces prefer a fighting knife with a minimum of a 5 in blade for a couple reasons all having to do lethality. For example when you stab you need to be able reach the vital organs; a 3 in blade will not ensure that. When you slash or cut the longer blade provides a larger cut. Sorry for being graphic.

For real world U.S. example look at the Ranger knife (Ken Reeves) or the Marine knife.

I personally hope to never get in a knife fight. That said, I usually try to bring a .45acp to all knife fights. I carry a knife on my weak side as a second weapon and to have available to fend off a gun grab.

I do love my RC-3 and Izula but I sure would want to have to be in a knife fight with either.
 
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