Mixed Josh K - Out Knife & Money

A redelivery wouldn't have been necacerry if you would have had the correct address listed in the first place.

I wouldn't just throw my hands up and say "Paypal should...."

Paypal hasn't, and Paypal probably wont. This "Oh well" attitude kinda stinks.

In my opinion this is not what a sellers protection is for.

Then what is seller protection for? I feel confident my actions here show that I have not “thrown my hands up.”

If you truly find it "Bothersome" ...pay the seller for the knife

I've considered it.
 
Nobody wants to be out a knife or the money for a knife, or in this case both.
It hurts, been there.
Frankly there is no seller protection on Paypal. Its about as important and useful as the tag on your pillow.
The dude is out both the knife and the money for the knife because your address was wrong.
 
The dude is out both the knife and the money for the knife because your address was wrong.

I'd also be out a knife and the money. I'm more than willing—as I think my actions have shown—to work to find this package and resolve this but I've gotten no word from Ed since Sunday.

I'm here. I'm willing to work to resolve this. I'd like to hear if there's an update from Ed.
 
Yes, you would indeed be out the knife and the money. But its your fault and not the sellers. (Ed)
Maybe Ed has not gotten back to you because maybe he feels any further discussion is futile. You obviously are not willing to admit fault.
"Working" to find the package doesn't pay Ed for the knife he sent to the wrong address you provided.
 
I think paying Ed for the knife would be the right thing to do here.
I truly hope you find your knife in the postal system Josh and I wish you the best.
 
Maybe Ed has not gotten back to you because maybe he feels any further discussion is futile. You obviously are not willing to admit fault.

I don't think this is accurate.

Bought a knife and had a wrong address. My fault.

Yes, this was my a mistake. I had an incorrect address in PayPal. I take full responsibility for that and have, in my view, tried to go above and beyond in trying to find this package.

Agreed, I had a mistake in the shipping address.

I'm unable to do any more investigation with USPS without cooperation from Ed. I'd really like to receive this knife and pay Ed. I'll send him another email in the morning and see if we can get this moving again.
 
I replaced the tires on Mrs Smiths car but forgot to tighten the lug nuts....(my fault)
Mrs Smith's tires fall off while she was on the highway.....(not my fault)

but....I made a few phone calls to help her find her tires....
 
I can appreciate your position on this matter but I disagree with your conclusion and your analogy. It might be more appropriate to put some sort of fault on Mrs. Smith, like so:

Mrs. Smith purchased 4 new tires from me and supplied an address. She also wrote the address down on the payment.

I shipped to the address on the payment because it was convenient.

The shipper I chose lost the tires.

...etc.
 
The kings messenger tied a vital note to a messengers pigeon and sent it away..

The vital note wasn't received because the someone closed the window on the receiving end and now the pigeon is flying around aimlessly and confused.

Who's head shall the king cut off?
 
Who's head shall the king cut off?

Whomever trained the pigeon.

I had a chuckle reading that. Thanks. I think we still disagree but my point is as a seller there is an obligation to deliver the item to the buyer. I don’t have an item. Obligation not fulfilled.

I’m willing to work with Ed to find this knife but I can’t even tell the Post Office in Michigan the originating address. I can’t fill out a complete missing mail form. I’m at a wall where I need cooperation to continue tracking this down.
 
Oh, so you saying it was the sellers fault for not double checking your Paypal address with you in the first place, (that's your responsibility) and then you place blame on the postal service because you address was wrong and the item couldn't be delivered.

I can appreciate your position on this matter but I disagree with your conclusion and your analogy. It might be more appropriate to put some sort of fault on Mrs. Smith, like so:

Mrs. Smith purchased 4 new tires from me and supplied an address. She also wrote the address down on the payment.

I shipped to the address on the payment because it was convenient.

The shipper I chose lost the tires.

...etc.
 
Oh, so you saying it was the sellers fault for not double checking your Paypal address with you in the first place, (that's your responsibility) and then you place blame on the postal service because you address was wrong and the item couldn't be delivered.

No. The blame here is squarely with the USPS, not Ed. Supplying an incomplete address doesn’t mean your package can evaporate.
 
Supplying an incomplete address was the reason it evaporated.

Im going to respectfully bow out of this one before I get another trolling infraction from a moderator.
Again, I wish you and Ed the best.
 
Good grief. How about we all throw books, trucks, balls, and everything in between at the buyer? That will learn him....

Seriously though, I think the buyer here has demonstrated that he is willing to work this out in a manner that is going to be great for all in involved. In fact, he has owned his mistake.

Hammering that point through over and over again isn't doing anybody any favors and the excoriation has become tiresome.

Nobody is infallible, especially the USPS. This was an honest mistake made by the buyer and the USPS simply screwed it up from there. This is why you insure your packages, use PayPal properly, and keep an open line of communication.

Raking the buyer over the coals is silly, especially since he has owned his omission, expressed willingness to communicate, and is working towards a reasonable solution that will hopefully make both parties whole.
 
My guess is the seller did not insure it for the full value of the knife. I feel in this case a good compromise would be for the seller and buyer to split the loss. If the knife ever shows, settle up then. They both seem honorable/trustworthy to me.
 
My guess is the seller did not insure it for the full value of the knife. I feel in this case a good compromise would be for the seller and buyer to split the loss. If the knife ever shows, settle up then. They both seem honorable/trustworthy to me.
Perhaps you have a good idea, since there may now be three different mistakes in this deal.
The seller, for not properly insuring the item, and assuming the risk of loss, then the buyer, for causing the adddress confusion, and also the post office, for completely losing the package.
Although it would be good, if we knew for certain about the insurance.
 
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