Just ordered a Ganzo g710

so you're okay with Ganzo stealing intellectual property from TWO companies now??
It does look pretty cool, and I wish Benchmade and Spyderco would collaborate and make that knife, legitimately. As for Ganzo doing it, I hope their factory burns down some night when no one is there. No one gets hurt, and no more ripoffs get made for a while.

Ganzo knives are well made and very sharp out of the box. they're inexpensive. not counterfeits. made of known materials. from a quality company. and come with a warranty from said quality company.
They are thieves, plain and simple. That in itself means they are not a "quality company." A quality company does not operate in such a corrupt manner.
 
While I totally agree that Ganzo deliberately stole ideas to make knives, I can understand someone looking to buy a decent "quality" knife at the price point that ganzo sells at. Some people can't either A, justify spending $100+ on a knife or B, just flat out cant buy one period because of budget purposes. Kids, bills, life maybe just demands too much on the wallet to allow someone to spend some hard earned cash on a USA made blade. That shouldn't mean someone has to give up the idea of wanting a knife collection, or seeing knives as a hobby, no matter how expensive or inexpensive they are. The thing I see is, Benchmade, Spyderco, Lionsteel, etc (fill in mfr of a stolen design here) aren't losing a customer because that customer was never going to make that high $ purchase anyway. That being said, I agree that for a few $ more an Ontario, Esee, or Kershaw folder is a way better investment and better quality knife with an original design.

I just straddle the fence about the whole topic. I understand they're blatant rip offs of the knives we've come to learn and love, and that's why its upsetting to see someone steal the design. Its not genuine, and I personally won't buy them. But on the other side I see the person who's on the outside looking in and wants to experience some semblance of what we all enjoy. And for that reason, I wont shoot someones hopes and dreams down, no matter if they're misguided.

This is bad logic, and it's taking the stance of being an apologist for those who steal the designs of others and profit from them. Stop being an apologist for thieves.
 
This is bad logic, and it's taking the stance of being an apologist for those who steal the designs of others and profit from them. Stop being an apologist for thieves.

How do you figure?

Please explain. I don't see anyone coming to Ganzo's defense here.
 
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oh man i hadnt seen these before, thats ridiculous. the fact that he would claim he spent years desigining this knife really does make it worse, and not only that i think the real hk/benchmade snody it was copied from could probobly be bought for a little less
 
so you're okay with Ganzo stealing intellectual property from TWO companies now??

He did not say that he was okay with it. Just that it is cool looking. I have to agree, it is very cool looking.

I would not buy it though. Even if was made by Spyderco and Benchmade.
 
Hi everyone I just ordered a ganzo g710. Its a great looking knife and got excellent reviews. Does anyone up here have one? Do they cut stuff well?

I had the Ganzo G710 as well as the Benchmade version, I didn't like either ergonomically and have sold both. The Ganzo of course was sold as a package and I virtually gave it away for free, that's the resale value of Ganzo knives.

The G710 is one of the earlier Ganzo attempts at making a good knife, it's a little looser than the BM and is a cheaper copy basically. The steel in the G710 was questionable, I don't think it was the 440c in later Ganzo knives because it was soft and didn't hold an edge very well. It was heavy and the detent wasn't great either.

The later Ganzos however are a different story, the later models are well made with 440c steel, samples have a variance on lock tightness and lateral blade play, some are perfect out of the box and most can be tightened out. Ganzo can not be beat on the value proposition @ $15 a pop shipped from China.

Don't let forum commandos bully you into doing something you want, buy it or not, it's your money and it's your decision, you're not breaking any laws here.
 
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I had the Ganzo G710 as well as the Benchmade version, I didn't like either ergonomically and have sold both. The Ganzo of course was sold as a package and I virtually gave it away for free, that's the resale value of Ganzo knives.

The G710 is one of the earlier Ganzo attempts at making a good knife, it's a little looser than the BM and is a cheaper copy basically. The steel in the G710 was questionable, I don't think it was the 440c in later Ganzo knives because it was soft and didn't hold an edge very well. It was heavy and the detent wasn't great either.

The later Ganzos however are a different story, the later models are well made with 440c steel, samples have a variance on lock tightness and lateral blade play, some are perfect out of the box and most can be tightened out. Ganzo can not be beat on the value proposition @ $15 a pop shipped from China.

Don't let forum commandos bully you into doing something you want, buy it or not, it's your money and it's your decision, you're not breaking any laws here.

Oh, so now they use the steel they say they are using! Good deal!

If by forum commandos you must mean the stance on knockoffs this forum states in the rules, right? Just so we are clear on how this community feels on the subject see here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98

I'll even quote it for you:

"Fakes/Homages-
As fakes and homage items are a legal gray area and obviously hurt the hobby, no fake or homage items may be sold on the Exchange. Members may not knowingly sell unlicensed knockoffs or counterfeit versions of knives (or any other goods) based upon the designs of their legitimate owner, manufacturer or custom maker. Additionally, members may not sell any knife or item known or suspected to be other than as described in terms of its lineage and authenticity."



There you have it. If you want to talk gloriously about this garbage maybe got to another place on the internet that supports such a blight on this hobby. Otherwise, prepare to hear about how wrong you are from this community. :thumbup:
 
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I mentioned this in the Benchmade section of this forum, but a much maligned company that used blade blanks and passed them off as $300 custom knives also sells a knockoff of the Benchmade/HK Axis folder. It's the same company that sent legal documents to the owner of this forum, trying to get him to make everyone stop trash talking his company's practices.

Of course, that company claims to have spent years designing and prototyping the folder before bringing it to market. What's really hilarious is that they're charging $150 for it, and I'm pretty sure it's just a Ganzo copy with their name on the blade.

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They don't like it when you ask questions regarding the origin of the design, or its similarities to a design that had produced for several years by another company.
I understand that ganzo can get away with copyright infringement cause they are in China.
But how is this one getting away with it ?
 
Just because there is a different name on it, doesn't mean that it isn't assembled there, or parts made there and "final assembly" is within the U.S. .
 
Hi everyone I just ordered a ganzo g710. Its a great looking knife and got excellent reviews. Does anyone up here have one? Do they cut stuff well?

If their prices didn't increase by $10 (in fact, even if their prices increased by $10) Ganzo makes some of the best knives for the dollar. The G704 used to be under $15 including shipping, solidly made, decent steel, good lock. Maybe equivalent to a $50 "made in Taiwan/China" knife from an American company. There is probably nothing wrong with the knife from a materials, build quality and function view.

However: they steal many of the designs.
 
Im a gun guy. I do appreciate a nice knife though. I didnt know that was a benchmade design. The benchmade/spyderco bastard knife is cool though.


Oh dear. No. No it's not. If Spyderco and Benchmade got together and did a run of Paramilitary 2s with Axis locks, or Griptillians with compression locks, it would be amazing and the entire forum would be buzzing with excitement.

A shady company ripping off the designs from two legitimate American companies who have devoted significant resources to developing their knives... nothing cool about it.
 
Is it possible that benchmade secretly owns ganzo through some holding group because no one has pointed out benchmades official response to this.


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Everything he said and then some. I see that you're new to Blade Forums, so for starters "Welcome"! You should remove your link to the Mighty River website as that's against forum rules.

The issue of counterfeits, copies, clones and patent infringement is a very volatile topic here. You may feel like you're getting attacked for asking a simple question but remember that most of the knife enthusiasts here see counterfeits, copies, clones and patent infringement as a threat to a hobby and industry that we care deeply about. It's probably something a casual knife user will never appreciate, in fact we enthusiasts don't even have consensus concerning the impact of copy knives. We can, and do, argue without end about the subject :p.

The Ganzo knife poses two problems from the viewpoint of a knife enthusiast. As has been said, it's a near exact copy of a Benchmade 950 Rift. Here's the Benchmade knife:
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By copying this knife, Ganzo has taken the design efforts of a man named Warren Osborne and are using it for a product that they market with their name and number. That's not cool in any industry. Imagine Hyundai producing exact clones of a Honda Civic?

Ganzo goes a step further with the G710. The lock mechanism is a patented feature currently licensed to Benchmade called the Axis Lock. Benchmade has even Trademarked "Axis Lock". There's a lot of disagreement about when the actual patent expires, but most of us here now acknowledge that the patent is likely still in force. Ganzo uses the Axis Lock on many knives, even marketing it as an "Axis Lock". Being that the knife is manufactured in China, there is no jurisdiction for a US patent to be enforced. In theory, Benchmade could go after Amazon for selling the knives Stateside, but that might not end well when you compare the legal dollars that each company could bring to bear. It's a bad situation where the lawful owners have little, viable recourse.

So, with that being said, you have some options.
1. Enjoy your copy knife and use it in good health. Don't expect to get positive feedback from us knife knuts. Much of the feedback may be very negative. I hope you now understand why.
2. If you like the knife, save your money and buy the real thing. You're going to hear that from a lot of people but it doesn't really carry much weight. The Ganzo is $20 and the Benchmade is $170. That's probably not even a conceivable amount of money to spend for a casual user.
3. Purchase a different high-value knife that's an original design and that violates no patent rights. We'd be happy as a community to offer ideas and suggestions along that line. Ganzos are fairly well made for the price point, but there are actually some much better options.

You may also be accused of being a troll. It happens here from time to time where someone will start a thread about a clone knife just to stir up a hornets nest. If you are a troll, get back under your bridge. The Billygoats are coming.

This. 100%. Beautiful post that couldn't have been articulated better. Listen to this, OP. It's spot on. Also, someone mentioned the Byrd line. If you want good bang for your buck, that's a much better option for your money. Kershaw is another company you should check out.


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Good purchase mate. Ganzo are great value for money.
All those that I have have got f&f, decent steel, take a sharp edge, lock up nicely and overall are really cool.

Congratulations on a nice workhorse of a knife.

Don't mind people ripping on the company... most models are indeed inspired by competitor knives, but they do not brand them as such, use different locking, different sizes, different handle materials and different steels from the original (often better than the original - I'm looking at you Rat2) and cost 10 times less than the others...

If you need a decent working knife, enjoy your new toy.

Queue epeen comments - I really never understood why people are always so concerned on other people's purchases...

If Spyderco and Benchmade don't care about Ganzo, why would some guy on a forum care?

And for the record, I wouldn't get a Spyderco-inspired Ganzo, because I respect that company too much... I only get them when I want to try new patterns at decent sizes (looking at you Bedlam) and decent prices...
If I ever saw a Benchmade that made me feel like paying 100 USD for its extra cutting power or ergonomics or anything, I'd get one instead of Ganzo too....

Well said brother!:thumbup: I too purchased a Ganzo 727 (inspired by the RATII) and was really impressed with the lock up, blade centering and the axis lock which was really smooth.
 
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