Just ordered a Ganzo g710

Quiet said:
The entire first paragraph of Fanboy's post is exactly what I just said. Paraphrasing: "I mean, hey, I know it's wrong and that Ganzo steals designs, but hey, nothing wrong with buying a good knife at that price point, and hey, just because you can't afford the knife you actually want doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to have it! So, go ahead and buy the fake! Don't worry, it's not taking any customers away from any of the guys whose designs were ripped off! I mean, I have zero statistical data to back that assertion, but hey, if you can't afford the knife because it's too expensive, just buy a fake. No big deal."

Maybe you read into it differently. Ganzo steals other companies' designs and makes knives based on those designs. What they do would never be tolerated by an American company, yet for some reason they always get a pass from super low post count people who don't want to spend any money in order to have an actual quality product. Things that make you go "huh", eh?
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Quiet said:
Morrow, that's the user's name. This is the post I was referring to.
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Ha! I feel stupid now.

I can however do a custom infraction for embarrassing a mod by pointing out the obvious. That would make me feel better. :)
 
Morrow said:
Ha! I feel stupid now.

I can however do a custom infraction for embarrassing a mod by pointing out the obvious. That would make me feel better. :)
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Now that, I would accept as being deserved! LOL
 
Sal with spyderco has expressed his concern with infringement and not deterred his customers, so has Chris Reeve and I believe benchmade should do the same simple as that, it makes no senses for them to keep this quite, they should like sal address the issue so that all the people at bladeforums will have a response to point people to, that would remove all this talk of speculation

I have come to the conclusion over the past several weeks that people should buy the products made in there own country, for me that means knives made in the USA, by doing this I have no worry of quality or counterfeits. If this means that I limit my choices than so be it, all people all over the world should support there own economy if possible by buying products made in there own country, granted not every country makes all the products one may need I think we should buy products to the best of our ability made in our country. It supports our neighbors, builds and promotes innovation, and makes economies stronger, heck it even gives younger people a better future.

I have bought knives from other countries but from now own no more, I have a PM2 I love it made in Colorado, I have two mini griptilian made in USA, one can be had for less than 100 bucks and some good family can afford to invest in their family, same for my PM2.

And lastly if an American knife company goes overseas for production, they ought to know the risk and accept the risk plain and simple. You do get what you pay for, so when you buy a knife made in a far away land for cheap prices well same as the company that goes over seas for production you need to be ready to absorb the risk.

All this talk and anger gets nobody anywhere.


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Morrow said:
Ha! I feel stupid now.

I can however do a custom infraction for embarrassing a mod by pointing out the obvious. That would make me feel better. :)
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What, did someone say Morrow is making customs now? :D
 
craytab said:
Oh, so now they use the steel they say they are using! Good deal!

If by forum commandos you must mean the stance on knockoffs this forum states in the rules, right? Just so we are clear on how this community feels on the subject see here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98

I'll even quote it for you:

"Fakes/Homages-
As fakes and homage items are a legal gray area and obviously hurt the hobby, no fake or homage items may be sold on the Exchange. Members may not knowingly sell unlicensed knockoffs or counterfeit versions of knives (or any other goods) based upon the designs of their legitimate owner, manufacturer or custom maker. Additionally, members may not sell any knife or item known or suspected to be other than as described in terms of its lineage and authenticity."


There you have it. If you want to talk gloriously about this garbage maybe got to another place on the internet that supports such a blight on this hobby. Otherwise, prepare to here about how wrong you are from this community. :thumbup:
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English is not my first language, so I've read that quote multiple times and I honestly can't see that it refers to anything but sales. Where does it say that it's forbidden to talk about the subject?
 
craytab said:
And there you have it. The Ganzo counterfeiting is working. This guy is calling the counterfeit axis lock an axis lock.
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Truth.
He should be calling it what it really is: a barrel lock.
And he shouldn't be buying it until the patent expires.
 
ChainDragger said:
Yes the millie is real. I bought it from blade hq. I also have a Raven2, i liked that one so much i went to buy one for my dad and its like a unicorn now. I saw one for $100 on amazon but no thanks, I think I only paid like $55-60 for mine.
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Pleased to hear it buddy, a Military is a great folder IMO, I have 2.
I don't know where in the world you are, but where I live, taking exchange rate and shipping into account, BMs Spydercos and ZTs are darned expensive. And I'm just a blue collar type with family to support and all that life stuff.
But I really enjoy a quality folder (or 30), so while I will grumble about too bleeding expensive, when I buy another folder it's always a real one that will last well and one day be passed on to my boys.
My idea of a cheap beater is a Manix XL. No it's not really cheap to buy, but spread that cost out over the life of the knife, and I consider it to be true value for money.
 
Nasty Renegade said:
English is not my first language, so I've read that quote multiple times and I honestly can't see that it refers to anything but sales. Where does it say that it's forbidden to talk about the subject?
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It isn't forbidden to talk about, in fact it happens every few days on here. What is true is that, in bladeforums own words, fakes/clones "obviously hurt the hobby". This is a place full of enthusiasts in that hobby, so the push back against those that rally to defend fakes/clones/ripoffs can (and in my opinion should) get pretty severe. There's plenty of great, inexpensive knives available that are original designs and don't use someone else's hard work without compensating them.
 
Nasty Renegade said:
English is not my first language, so I've read that quote multiple times and I honestly can't see that it refers to anything but sales. Where does it say that it's forbidden to talk about the subject?
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You can talk about them all you want as far as I can tell. That said, if you do talk about them you are subject to the criticism of this forum, and the policy on counterfeits here is quite clear.
 
Tbmfish said:
Sal with spyderco has expressed his concern with infringement and not deterred his customers, so has Chris Reeve and I believe benchmade should do the same simple as that, it makes no senses for them to keep this quite, they should like sal address the issue so that all the people at bladeforums will have a response to point people to, that would remove all this talk of speculation

I have come to the conclusion over the past several weeks that people should buy the products made in there own country, for me that means knives made in the USA, by doing this I have no worry of quality or counterfeits. If this means that I limit my choices than so be it, all people all over the world should support there own economy if possible by buying products made in there own country, granted not every country makes all the products one may need I think we should buy products to the best of our ability made in our country. It supports our neighbors, builds and promotes innovation, and makes economies stronger, heck it even gives younger people a better future.

I have bought knives from other countries but from now own no more, I have a PM2 I love it made in Colorado, I have two mini griptilian made in USA, one can be had for less than 100 bucks and some good family can afford to invest in their family, same for my PM2.

And lastly if an American knife company goes overseas for production, they ought to know the risk and accept the risk plain and simple. You do get what you pay for, so when you buy a knife made in a far away land for cheap prices well same as the company that goes over seas for production you need to be ready to absorb the risk.

All this talk and anger gets nobody anywhere.


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Since you're going to throw away that iPad, I'll take it off your hands ;)
 
craytab said:
You can talk about them all you want as far as I can tell. That said, if you do talk about them you are subject to the criticism of this forum, and the policy on counterfeits here is quite clear.
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Well, in that case I hope that the forum's policy on off topic posts is equally clear.
As far as I'm concerned you asked another user on this forum to go away based on your wrong interpretation of the forum rules. Are you a mod?
I don't like counterfeits more than the next guy, but I like self proclaimed forum policemen even less.

I'm not here to stir the pot or troll, and although I'm a new user I've read a lot here before posting, as I always do on a new forum.
Al lot of good info and discussion going on.
But as soon as someone mentions a typically chinese knife with even the remotest resemblance to something else, the same 3-5 users go on a rampage attacking the poor guy in force.
Perhaps a friendly post would be all that it takes. Nobody likes to be put down and treated like a criminal for posting on a forum.

Now OT:

The G710 does look very much like a BM Rift.
I've handled one a bit and this would be my very short review: Weak detent. Stiff, "edgy" lock that bites your fingers. Thumbstuds are "edgy" as well. Quite smooth action. Sharpness not better or worse than most factory edges. You get what you pay for, no more no less.
Since it is heavily inspired by the BM, I would definitely go for the original.
 
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Nasty Renegade said:
Well, in that case I hope that the forum's policy on off topic posts is equally clear.
As far as I'm concerned you asked another user on this forum to go away based on your wrong interpretation of the forum rules. Are you a mod?
I don't like counterfeits more than the next guy, but I like self proclaimed forum policemen even less.

I'm not here to stir the pot or troll, and although I'm a new user I've read a lot here before posting, as I always do on a new forum.
Al lot of good info and discussion going on.
But as soon as someone mentions a typically chinese knife with even the remotest resemblance to something else, the same 3-5 users go on a rampage attacking the poor guy in force.
Perhaps a friendly post would be all that it takes. Nobody likes to be put down and treated like a criminal for posting on a forum.

Now OT:

The G710 does look very much like a BM Rift.
I've handled one a bit and this would be my very short review: Weak detent. Stiff, "edgy" lock that bites your fingers. Thumbstuds are "edgy" as well. Quite smooth action. Sharpness not better or worse than most factory edges. You get what you pay for, no more no less.
Since it is heavily inspired by the BM, I would definitely go for the original.
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Hey new guy who has been here less than a month with only 2 posts, I hope you stick around! I also hope you pay close attention to what people actually say. What is said in the rules is what is said in the rules. This forums policy is that counterfeits hurt the hobby. Simple :) Sorry if you have trouble interpenetrating that but that is not really a reason to attack me :thumbup:

Please!....No mod here.....Just a concerned community member.

If by a "remote resemblance" you actually mean a "knock off copy that includes a counterfeit locking mechanism" then I could see why you would be upset. You see the later is a scumbag clone knife. Please refer to the forums opinion on such things!

This thread is about a blatant knock off that counterfeits benchmade's axis lock. Clear and simple. Seems like you agree but just not about how some of us go about this discussion. My suggestion to you would be to do this discussion how you want, without discussing others. With only 2 posts it seems like you have a lot more of this forum to contribute towards. Don't let how this discussion goes down infringe on what the rest of your experience here could be.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Does anyone really think Ganzo would issue a recall or refunds if we discovered that they weren't using the steel they claimed?
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They claim 440C grade, the actual steel is probably 9Cr18MoV. It's a decent steel in its own right (beats AUS8 and 8Cr13MoV) so I doubt the purchasers care since the knives are usually $15-20 and they probably aren't steel enthusiasts.

9Cr18MoV

C: 0.95-1.10
Si: 0.30-0.60
Mn: 0.30-0.60
P: ≤ 0.035
S: ≤ 0.03
Cr: 17.00-17.50
Mo: 0.40-0.50
V: 0.10-0.15

440C

C: 0.95-1.20
Si: 1.00
Mn: 1.00
P: 0.04
S: 0.03
Cr: 16.00-18.00
Mo: 0.75

craytab said:
They advertise the lock to be an axis lock.
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I checked Ganzo's website, and they are currently advertising the mechanism as a "G-Lock".

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Hackenslash said:
1. Benchmade doesn't own the Axis Lock patent. They are merely licensed to use it exclusively (maybe). The owners are McHenry/Williams and some other poor dude whose name I always forget. This probably limits the latitude that Benchmade has to protect, or not protect, the patent. I think any formal infringement action would have to be a joint effort between the licensee and the patent holders.

2. I say (maybe) exclusively because the Axis Lock has shown up on some other "legit" brands over the years. Shirogorov used an axis lock on early Tabargans and LionSteel (Daghetta?) has an axis model also. I don't know if these models are legit and produced under specific licensing. We don't even know what the terms of the licensing are between McHenry/Williams and Benchmade. Is LionSteel licensed to manufacture with Axis in Italy? They call it something different, I think with a patent pending, but it sure looks like an axis lock. Shiro in Russia? Probably not on the Shiro, but who knows?
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Jason Williams (of McHenry/Williams) has responded about this before on the Benchmade Knives group on facebook. Benchmade is the only manufacturer licensed to use the Axis lock.

6. It was long rumored that Benchmade had contracted with SanRenMu long ago to manufacture knives, in particular the cheaper H&K knives in China. Somewhere on the Benchmade forums is a thread (now a few years old) with a Benchmade moderator clearly denying that SRM was currently making knives for Benchmade and that Benchmade was very disappointed with SRM over a soured deal. The earliest Chinese Axis Lock was on an SRM knife so it would stand to reason that they "learned" to make it while producing for Benchmade.
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The Chinese company made the Red Class for a while, but Benchmade discontinued that. There was never a Red Class with an Axis lock. The Benchmade mod was also clear that the Chinese company was never given permission to make the Axis lock.

In short, they ripped it off, pure and simple, but because the company is in China, legal recourse is basically ineffective.
 
In many ways what which is happening
Is not too dissimilar with the situation the old USSR
(and now the Russian Federation)
Had to put up with the PRC
In the lucrative arms industry.
To put it plainly,
To the consumer,
It is hoped that
Common sense will always prevail
And dictate one's choices,
So that when it comes to personal expenditure.
That a smart choice be made.
Unfortunately, nobody cares about
The big picture for the life of us,
Just take a look at climate change.
The great majority is self serving.
And that is the core or greatest problem with humanity.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russia-vs-china-the-race-dominate-the-defense-market-13316
 
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