Just received my PM2 today...It's not sharp....at all.

[Nullity]

Once again, Mr. Glesser's shiny footprints shine on a path where the footprints are not all as bright.

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mqqn

Eloquently put, my good sir.

 

[The Mastiff]

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I'm pretty new to knives.

Yeah.I could go on and make a list of things you could do to help yourself solve problems and even get along with other, more experienced forumites. Why though? When questioned you come out with the "rabid fan boy" thing that shows me you don't want to learn, you want to complain, and argue with people when told things you don't like even if they are true. You need a reset button already . Fortunately you have Sal. He's a heck of a lot better.

I've already created a few threads asking about sharpening kits for noobs. I'll be buying a Sharpmaker soon to learn on.

It really is a good system and many here have found satisfaction with it. I wish it was available back when I learned to sharpen on a used, dished out, low quality Arkansas stone. Enjoy the system when you get it. Begin doing things correctly on it and if needed, move on to others as needed. Many get by just with it, others get just as OC about sharpening as they do knife collecting and literally spend thousands of dollars and do truly amazing things with the edge of their knives. The edge is a truly amazing thing. The rest of the knife is a support system for that edge and without it those modern hi tech materials are useless.

Welcome to Blade Forums and Spyderco knives.

Joe

 

[EZ Bake]

The shoulder on that edge looks like someone attempted to sharpen it at a more acute angle than factory and it's possible that when it did nothing (but ugly up the shoulder), they might have gone to a more obtuse angle and made the apex just as ugly as that shoulder.

If you haven't sent it in yet, do me a favor and take the knife (ever-so-gently), and drag the edge (like you're slicing, but with no pressure at all) across your thumb-nail and see if it feels smooth or rough - I'm guessing it will feel about like a wood-file.

The only thing that (apparently butchered) sharpening job has going for it is that the tip isn't rounded completely off. It looks like the right-side (just behind the flat-grind on the tang in front of the choil) might have been dinged by the stone they attempted to sharpen it with.

I'd get on to the seller for sending it out that way if they were a reputable dealer but then again they probably trusted the customer who sent it back to them the first time instead of verifying that the first guy didn't monkey with the knife before sending it back.

Sucks that you had to go through this. I was just going to jump in on this thread and offer to put your knife on my Wicked Edge if you just wanted it sharp quickly - I'd even pay to ship it back to you, but it looks like Sal is asking to see the edge under a scope so you probably want to send it in to Spyderco. I've got a few mini microscopes and can appreciate what an edge looks like at 60x - you can see pretty much everything that was done to it and I would guess at this point that it's been sharpened incorrectly.

 

[Nic S.]

Yeah man, I can see where you are coming from, but I hope you aren't reading any insult in my response to him, because there wasn't any intended, and I dont think the op got it that way.

I understand, I just feel for the OP because I kind of had the same problem. I was new to knives got on the forum and got a PM2 because of all the advise and reviews. I received one that had to go back to the dealer and was very unimpressed with the second. Now I am not bashing spyderco I own more than a dozen of their knives, but the OP brings up a concern and gets insulted and chased off the forums with pitch forks, and torches (no necessarily by you but in general). I could see how someone could be upset after all the hype and up talk then get a knife that's not on par with it. It happens we all like different knives I just think this got out of hand quick.

 

[stevewest]

I have around 30 Spyderco knives. Love every one of them. They all came very sharp - more than sharp enough to take all the hair off my arm if I had kept going. Until I got the M4 Military which arrived with a visible flat spot in the blade. Wasn't a problem, sharpened/reprofiled and it is one of my favorite EDCs. Did this one anomaly cause me to lose interest in Spyderco? I have purchased many more since the M4 Military and plan on continuing. I think you had every right to ask the question - I did not see it as mudslinging/trolling in any way. It sounded to me like you were just looking for verification that this was not normal for Spyderco and were seeking advise on how to handle it. The PM is a great knife to start with. The Endura is a great knife, As is the Military, and the Caly 3.5, the Caly 3, the GB, etc, etc. Spyderco really does have a handle on this knife making deal. Only problem I see for you is that it is really hard to get of the Spyderco train once you get on.

 

[southernknives]

So I just received my new PM2 today. I was able to get it because it was returned. It looks brand new but I have to think it's been used. How sharp do they normally come? It really won't shave a patch of hair off my arm. It also struggles to cut paper. How normal is this?

Mine came in really sharp. Amazed at the edge. Had to touch it up on day three, And yesterday I noticed a very small area where the edge rolled over.

Since I'm off today, I may fix it and make it even sharper than NIB.

I have found out after carrying a Rukus for three years, this knife slices about the same if I really sharpen it good. I can't do a lot of hard cutting tasks with it compared to the Rukus. The thin tip makes me weary.

I still like it. I'm just not used to it being so delicate compared to the Rukus.

 

[minimalist]

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Yeah.I could go on and make a list of things you could do to help yourself solve problems and even get along with other, more experienced forumites. Why though? When questioned you come out with the "rabid fan boy" thing that shows me you don't want to learn, you want to complain, and argue with people when told things you don't like even if they are true. You need a reset button already . Fortunately you have Sal. He's a heck of a lot better.

Joe

So dramatic. You're wrong when you say I don't want to learn. You're wrong when you say you can help me get along with others. There was one person I didn't get along with in this thread filled with people. Apparently, to you, that means I don't get along with people here. When someone accuses me of bad mouthing someone or something when it's not even remotely true, there's a problem.

Oh and I didn't complain. It's actually frightening how sensitive some of you are. I received a knife and simply stated what I received. Apparently, that makes me a horrible person who complains, doesn't want to learn or get along with people. Just remember, I never argued with anyone who said something true. I only argued with, again, ONE person who said something which was false. I've talked to plenty of people on this forum already. I think I'll do just fine without your help and big mike's help.

 

[minimalist]

The shoulder on that edge looks like someone attempted to sharpen it at a more acute angle than factory and it's possible that when it did nothing (but ugly up the shoulder), they might have gone to a more obtuse angle and made the apex just as ugly as that shoulder.

If you haven't sent it in yet, do me a favor and take the knife (ever-so-gently), and drag the edge (like you're slicing, but with no pressure at all) across your thumb-nail and see if it feels smooth or rough - I'm guessing it will feel about like a wood-file.

The only thing that (apparently butchered) sharpening job has going for it is that the tip isn't rounded completely off. It looks like the right-side (just behind the flat-grind on the tang in front of the choil) might have been dinged by the stone they attempted to sharpen it with.

I'd get on to the seller for sending it out that way if they were a reputable dealer but then again they probably trusted the customer who sent it back to them the first time instead of verifying that the first guy didn't monkey with the knife before sending it back.

Sucks that you had to go through this. I was just going to jump in on this thread and offer to put your knife on my Wicked Edge if you just wanted it sharp quickly - I'd even pay to ship it back to you, but it looks like Sal is asking to see the edge under a scope so you probably want to send it in to Spyderco. I've got a few mini microscopes and can appreciate what an edge looks like at 60x - you can see pretty much everything that was done to it and I would guess at this point that it's been sharpened incorrectly.

The edge on the bottom photo looked a little funky to me in the picture. Is that what you're referring to?

Unfortunately, I sent the knife out this morning. When I get it back I'll report back with what the problem was.

 

[Alnamvet68]

Well OP, I'm glad you got honest help in spite of the few troll/hater posts. A lot of the negativity you received comes not from objective observers, but from those who have and take issue with anything that might remotely suggest their holy grail knives are anything but perfect. Ignore those who insist on stalking you, and don't dignify some of these jerks and their posts with a response, especially from a self defense posture.

 

[blame it on god]

Hi Minimalist,

That is certainly not normal. We have a reputation for shipping some of the sharpest knives available. It's been our specialty for more than 30 years. I would suggest that you send it to us, call it to my attention. I would like to get the edge under a scope before anyone messes with it. We'll take care of you.

I had another knife that supposedly came dull, had the customer send it to me and the edge had obviously been tampered with before the customer received it. Sorry for the hassle. Would you also let me know where you purchased the knife with the knife? (not on the forum).

Thanx,

sal

You are the MAN!! Another reason the number of Spyderco's I have keeps growing faster than any other company I buy from.

 

[mr_anderson]

People are just tired of the "Just bought a Spyderco and its not perfect". It's a knife not a faberge egg.

Well OP, I'm glad you got honest help in spite of the few troll/hater posts. A lot of the negativity you received comes not from objective observers, but from those who have and take issue with anything that might remotely suggest their holy grail knives are anything but perfect. Ignore those who insist on stalking you, and don't dignify some of these jerks and their posts with a response, especially from a self defense posture.

 

[Jim malone]

Knives are sharpened by hand IIRC at Spyderco. Human factors dictate that no human behaviour is flawless. It looks like a factory edge to me. If you think it's dull and you don't have the necessary sharpening skills send it back to Spyderco. New knives should be sharp, maybe not scary hairwitling sharp but sharp for a non knife person. You stated this was a returned knife. This could be because the first owner found out it was "dull" and returned it. A sharpmaker is a good investment but you could expect a basic sharp utility edge on any high quality knife. Just send it in, it will help Spyderco to investigate the problem and see what can be done to fix the problem (if any). No knife manufacturer has a 100% succes rate.

 

[Allen R.]

I've bought knives from the same company where the Op got this one and they are as good as it gets! I agree with EZ blake it does look like someone tried to touch that knife up ever so slightly using a more acute angle than what was on the knife, note that line above the bevel on both sides of the knife., It could be from a previous owner or it couldn't be, but all is well , your in good hands my friend enjoy your knife....FWIW I have bought many many spyderco knives, all have been razors except one, It was an endura 4 and it had a burr on it, Once I knocked that burr off and touched it up she was GTG, you can trust National knives, and Spyderco both are top notch. Matter of fact most of my spydercos came from them...

 

[minimalist]

People are just tired of the "Just bought a Spyderco and its not perfect". It's a knife not a faberge egg.

Sorry, but that could apply to just about anything. It's still not right.

I bought brand new shoes and the bottoms were pretty worn out. So what! They're shoes, not a faberge egg.
I bought a brand new work truck that had a pretty big ding in it. So what! It's a work truck, not a faberge egg.
I bought a brand new pair of work pants and they had a hole in them. So what! It's a pair of work pants, not a faberge egg.

That attitude is for suckers. If that's you, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to sell you.

The knife I received wasn't that sharp. I bought a ZT0200st a bunch of months ago and it came way sharper. It's still sharper than the PM2. By all accounts I've read that Spyderco sells damn sharp knives. I wanted to experience it. It was probably used, which is why it wasn't and why I came here, again. I have no doubt that Spyderco puts out damn sharp knives. Mine was funky. It was an anomaly. End of story. Put away the tissues.

 

[LEGION 12]

The last one I got in a trade was slightly dull a couple of swipes on the fine side of my ceramic stone it was good to go.

 

[d.mon.ray]

I just want to say that I don't think you have done anything wrong so far, minimalist. No matter what we say or write, some people will likely find some words to pick on, or reasons to disagree. Some may express their disagreement with hate. Some might have earned their rights to do so without being called trolls because they were "experienced" here. I think you are alright. So are the people who came and helped you with useful information.

 

[minimalist]

I just want to say that I don't think you have done anything wrong so far, minimalist. No matter what we say or write, some people will likely find some words to pick on, or reasons to disagree. Some may express their disagreement with hate. Some might have earned their rights to do so without being called trolls because they were "experienced" here. I think you are alright. So are the people who came and helped you with useful information.

Thanks. I had no clue this thread would turn out the way it did.

 

[LEGION 12]

Probably would of been better off posting this in the maintenance section .

 

[mqqn]

Sorry, but that could apply to just about anything. It's still not right.

I bought brand new shoes and the bottoms were pretty worn out. So what! They're shoes, not a faberge egg.
I bought a brand new work truck that had a pretty big ding in it. So what! It's a work truck, not a faberge egg.
I bought a brand new pair of work pants and they had a hole in them. So what! It's a pair of work pants, not a faberge egg.

That attitude is for suckers. If that's you, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to sell you.

The knife I received wasn't that sharp. I bought a ZT0200st a bunch of months ago and it came way sharper. It's still sharper than the PM2. By all accounts I've read that Spyderco sells damn sharp knives. I wanted to experience it. It was probably used, which is why it wasn't and why I came here, again. I have no doubt that Spyderco puts out damn sharp knives. Mine was funky. It was an anomaly. End of story. Put away the tissues.

Your analogies are way off, as none of them are easily corrected examples of as-delivered "problems".

Allow me to explain.

If you bought a pair of shoes and there was a knot in the laces, that would be similar as you could easily correct the "problem".

If you bought a work truck and it had bird droppings on the roof, you could easily correct it by washing to correct the "problem".

If you bought pants that had a smudge of dirt on them, you could easily launder them to correct the "problem".

If you bought a knife that did not meet your expectations of edge sharpness, you could easily sharpen the knife to your liking to correct the "problem".

Or you could come here and complain that the knife was not sharp enough.

Your choice was made and you received answers. I am sure we are all sorry your knife was not sharp enough to please you.

best

mqqn

 

[minimalist]

Your analogies are way off, as none of them are easily corrected examples of as-delivered "problems".

Allow me to explain.

If you bought a pair of shoes and there was a knot in the laces, that would be similar as you could easily correct the "problem".

If you bought a work truck and it had bird droppings on the roof, you could easily correct it by washing to correct the "problem".

If you bought pants that had a smudge of dirt on them, you could easily launder them to correct the "problem".

If you bought a knife that did not meet your expectations of edge sharpness, you could easily sharpen the knife to your liking to correct the "problem".

Or you could come here and complain that the knife was not sharp enough.

Your choice was made and you received answers. I am sure we are all sorry your knife was not sharp enough to please you.

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mqqn

My analogies are way off? And yours aren't? You're telling me you can't get a ding out of a truck? You can't sew the hole closed in the pants? The point is that they are new. They should be new and operate like they are new. That's the world of selling a product. What you're advocating is absolutely ridiculous. You're also operating under the assumption that everyone who buys a knife has a sharpener and knows how to use one. I don't, I'm a noob. I guess I shouldn't buy knives. In your world Spyderco would have to put a warning on their boxes that says "Warning: Knives aren't sharp. You have to sharpen them yourself." Luckily, Spyderco is smart. They sell sharp knives. That's the reason they have the reputation that they have. Luckily, you don't sell knives. If you do, I bet you're doing real well!

So how about this....you keep buying new dull knives you have to sharpen yourself. I'll stick to buying the new sharp ones.