Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

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AI thinks XRF testing will cost $50-150 per basic test... I'd guess DLT can get a volume discount, but at what point does that test kill any profit margin?

Maybe they can negotiate with a metal tester to give a fixed price for metal testing? That can be applied to new knives and existing knives?
 
shinyedges said:
It's a conundrum, sell a knife with mystery steel and origin to stay in business or don't risk selling people Chinese wok steel and maintain your integrity.

Do I think they can maintain integrity and sell 13,000 brks in good faith that they are all the correct as labeled steels and origin without testing each one? Tough question.
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be kinda funny, not really, but stilll....if all the 3v labeled ones came back as a2....
 
gamma_nyc said:
AI thinks XRF testing will cost $50-150 per basic test... I'd guess DLT can get a volume discount, but at what point does that test kill any profit margin?

Maybe they can negotiate with a metal tester to give a fixed price for metal testing? That can be applied to new knives and existing knives?
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I wouldn't think they test every single one. id bet they send in a sample of each knife per steel and play the odds games......
 
knarfeng said:
I think blade testing is one of the options they have been considering.
As the DLT web site states, they are still trying to figure out what to do.

But I don't expect them to just eat 5,000 knives and go belly up themselves.
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I agree, according to what was posted if dlt has 3 million in brks in stock, a tester would be worth it. 1 knife per batch doesn't cut it to me.
FoxholeAtheist said:
IMHO, the only way to move forward with integrity is to send an example of each model out for testing to determine steel composition, and to put all BRKT sales on hold until those results come back in. I know that I don't trust that *ANY* of my BRKT knives are the steel they're labelled as now. If I were one of the distributors, I'd be reaching out to other big distributors to pool the effort/cost.
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It's a good point, perhaps they can share the cost of the tester and pass it around.
 
knarfeng said:
How many knife knuts have 5,000 Bark River knives? Some of the dealers do. Eating that loss would be enough to drive them into bankrupcy.
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As to that, a $25K XRF gun is a small investment when you have more than $!M in inventory thats questionable. Everything should be checked before shipping too. Having confirmation that what you are buying is real would go along way to getting things back to normal.
This debacle might even lead to dealers checking all inventory from all makers in the future.
 
Arathol said:
As to that, a $25K XRF gun is a small investment when you have more than $!M in inventory thats questionable. Everything should be checked before shipping too. Having confirmation that what you are buying is real would go along way to getting things back to normal.
This debacle might even lead to dealers checking all inventory from all makers in the future.
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Exactly. And the first dealer to buy the XRF gun will have a unique advantage test their inventory and then sell it to another dealer for them to do the same...pretty good resale value if you're the first out of the gate.
 
DLT already contacted NSM about XRF testing one of each model in stock I believe? Not sure if NSM will charge DLT for it or not, that's between them!

70 models at $100 each (ave price) isn't too bad for piece of mind when you consider the inventory amount that they have! It would be like $2/blade split amongst their inventory of Bark Rivers if they had 3500 in stock. I believe someone checked the in stock numbers and it was around 5-6k for DLT or KSF iirc?
 
knarfeng said:
I think blade testing is one of the options they have been considering.
As the DLT web site states, they are still trying to figure out what to do.

But I don't expect them to just eat 5,000 knives and go belly up themselves.
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The thing is here they apparently bought the steel MS made many of the knives from. DLT should be testing them all to see how many are the real deal and how many are not then figure out where to go from there. Random testing is still a crapshoot if you are buying a $300 knife form BRK.
 
Arathol said:
The thing is here they apparently bought the steel MS made many of the knives from. DLT should be testing them all to see how many are the real deal and how many are not then figure out where to go from there. Random testing is still a crapshoot if you are buying a $300 knife form BRK.
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gamma_nyc said:
Exactly. And the first dealer to buy the XRF gun will have a unique advantage test their inventory and then sell it to another dealer for them to do the same...pretty good resale value if you're the first out of the gate.
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Well I would think that once you have one, you would use it on everything, not just the BRK blades just in case. Having a blade composition certification might be a selling point and would protect a dealer from stuff like this in the future. Puma used to do a hardness test on every blade, and it was pointed out in the advertising.
 
Arathol said:
Well I would think that once you have one, you would use it on everything, not just the BRK blades just in case. Having a blade composition certification might be a selling point and would protect a dealer from stuff like this in the future. Puma used to do a hardness test on every blade, and it was pointed out in the advertising.
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And they certainly would have an easy explanation to the accountant as to why it is a legitimate business expense.
 
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