Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

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Danny Linguini said:
As it is, regardless what DLT does with its remaining BR stock, going forward DLT is losing around 20% of its sales. At least at one time BR was that much of their net revenue. Even if it’s no longer 20%, it’s still a pretty big long-term hit.
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I don’t get all the pearl clutching about the dealers.

1. They work for you. There’s always going to be some one else to sell you a knife.

2. Only the dealer knows his business model.
Is all the stock paid for up front?
Half on delivery & half when sold?
Or delivered with an agreement to pay in 3 or 6 months?

3. How many of these “5000” knives are in fugly handle materials that would never sell anyway?
(lol)

If you all going to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for the poor saps that have thousands invested in their br collections.
Collections that have been massively devalued.

Oh, and Danny, not personal!
I quoted you because it was the most expedient way to make my point.
 
I am curious. What happens when someone using a BRK that they think is one metal turns out to be another and the blade breaks and seriously hurts someone?
 
I have a Rogue Bowie and a Hudson Bay #1, don’t regret getting them, just in storage now, but I think the chances are good they’re ok and the steel is what it should be I believe A2. I will someday use them. however I wanted a 5 inch mountain Man butcher knife, I will wait on that. Maybe they will break and I will worry about it then if it happens.
 
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Blues said:
You guys who are pretending to know the law should really quit while you're ahead. What you think might be "right" is not the same thing.

And D DMG let me see if I can give a simple example of why I said what I did about why you wouldn't be picked for a jury if the truth about your opinion was known.

Let's say you were in a jury pool for a mob trial. You're from the Pittsburgh area, and I've had mob investigations that involved that area.

So, imagine that the defendant to be tried was of Italian descent and didn't have blue hair. But for the sake of argument, you didn't care for people of Italian heritage...for whatever reason, it doesn't matter.

It might not come out if you were asked during voir dire whether you had any prejudice against those of Italian descent,..if you were not honest in your reply. But if you were truthful, you would be dismissed...either by the judge, defense or prosecution.

And that's why I said you wouldn't be picked. It's not because a woman with blue hair made a post on the web. It's because of what you said your impression is of blue haired libs and what they believe or stand for.

And that's all I have to say about that.
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It’s truly amazing to me that anyone would even need this explained to them. . .
 
Taz said:
HRC tells next to nothing except the hardness in that area, which usually needs to be flat and parallel. I messed up and heat treated a blade that I thought was AEBL and it was 1095. Showed 63 HRC after tempering, but grain was HUGE and super brittle. So the HRC was right, but the grain structure was horrible. You can overheat the entire edge, but if you test a flat spot at the ricasso, it could be perfectly fine.

Integrity matters.
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Very true. Thanks for that. When you think about it, everything about his knives is suspect. Everything!😡. Sadly, this is a stain on the whole industry, and has created doubts in the minds of those of us who like knives.
 
DavidZ said:
Very true. Thanks for that. When you think about it, everything about his knives is suspect. Everything!😡. Sadly, this is a stain on the whole industry, and has created doubts in the minds of those of us who like knives.
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I agree!

All the more reason to buy from known, reputable BF makers. I have two on order from a BF maker, and am very confident the knives will be every bit as good as advertised, if not better.
 
I’m really glad this thread has remained civil, productive and open.


Now, more than ever, it’s important that this scumbag doesn’t manage to slide out of any of this, and I have to believe that a long thread full of observations of his sleazery will help to protect others from falling prey. The zealots may not ever be saved, of course. Heck, I think there are still dumbasses out there waiting for Survive to make a comeback… 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
I've seen many people as well as had conversations with many people in the last few days trying to excuse the behaviors of the employees. Im sorry but I can't get behind that sentiment. Most of them say, "oh so you'd just quit your job because of the China stuff!? Yeah right!". To which i reply, "you are correct"! I have a little thing called integrity. At the very minimum I would have started the process of finding other work and would immediately be a whistleblower. They also like to use the, "living paycheck to paycheck" excuse and that its hard to do when people count on you financially. Look I get that but I tell them to ask themselves this! "Is earning and keeping your paychecks flowing worth stealing someone else's paycheck!?" They act as if nobody else works hard for their money and or lives paycheck to paycheck. They act as if no one else has a family to provide for. Im sorry but the employees are not only complicit in the deception but very instrumental in the production of these deceptive knives. Do I think they deserve the same punishment as Mike and his son? No i do not but I also dont think they should get off with just a slap on the wrist. This is fraud and they actively participated and benefited from said fraud.
 
I don't know if this adds to anything, but to take a vastly crude steel cost spitball comparison, speculating lilely on a most divergent steel swap, earlier somebody here mentioned 13,000 BRKs in qty. Compare retail steel cost Cru-Wear vs. 440C-equivalent (same dimensions, a stick of NJSB .094"x1.25"x12", 1x per knife) it'd be around $364K vs. $195K. So, you could keep $169,000 in your pocket. That's a helluva' nice truck and mortgage payment paydown. Heat treat cost savings may be in it, too. While the cost of the steel is a part of the entire cost, people wouldn't be swapping unless there was a benefit to the co. or personal pocket. Doesn't swing the other wayI This said, I cannot believe the savings in steel is so much as to stake a reputation (company and management) on the line. Someone said thy should've just stuck with A2. Yes, that. (Look at Randall Made Knives - same O-1 style and SS since forever.)

(Note: See my earlier post w images, that about 20-years ago, it was said among numerous models, Japan 440A near-equivalent was used instead of A2)
 
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Arathol said:
The thing is here they apparently bought the steel MS made many of the knives from. DLT should be testing them all to see how many are the real deal and how many are not then figure out where to go from there. Random testing is still a crapshoot if you are buying a $300 knife form BRK.
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Test them all, share the cost in testing them, sell at a discount then ones which are what they say they are, and donate the questionable ones to YouTube testers to use and abuse. Like to DBK to destroy and have a good laugh at how they have fun doing it.

Is there a business loss you could take on your taxes?
 
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