Kali done with Khukri's

I am respectfully objecting to the attacks on the quality of a known and world wide respected company. Anyone making such attacks should expect dissention, regardless of the forum. The martial arts aspects of the khukuri aside, this has been an attack on HI. If I was in the HI forum talking a bunch of nonsense about martial arts, I would have to defend myself there. If Simon would admit that he mispoke, that the tora is better suited than the HI to his style of martial arts instead of insinuating that HI makes a poor product, than this whole issue would go away.
 
Gurkha said:
And just to finish off, why dont we all see what you are made of with your kukri skills. why dont you all post a video footage of you doing test cuts, a great way to look at different blades strengths and weekness and your technniques??
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Well, I don't have a video, but hopefully a picture will do.

cut_hotdogs.jpg


Here I am demonstrating my technique (note the Historically Accurate (tm) "kuk" that I'm using) of cleaving an entire package of quality Oscar Meyer Franks. The spray of delicious hot dog juices is carefully controlled by my masterful use of the cho.
 
For thrusting I use the hybrid version of the Khukri houses Chukukri hybrid. It has a double unique edge. I was advised by the Ghurkas to purchase from this company.

Again using the Khukri in the FMA : Use one Khukri in one hand & a straight dagger in the other.

Kobun
 
Mark Nelson

Quote:
Originally Posted by kukrilove
Well your loyalty to Himalayan Imports wood choppers is commendable!

They split small fire logs well.We all agree there..

But Munk,Bob etc.

You are on a martial arts forum discusing the martial use of a kukri, not whether your kukris will chop more wood than an axe!




And a martial arts forum is not the place to call another companies product "tourist crap". Compare the different styles of blades if you must but there is no reason to say something so untrue about HI products just to try and promote Toras product.

I never said they were tourist crap.

I said.

Well Sirs I am sitting here on around a hundred serious military antique kukri & I have to say if you wish to buy 45% degree angle points, half inch thick spines & kaudi 1 inch from the handle to hide the poor spine handle joints under the bolster , tottaly against all tradition of kukri.{or cho as you less educated people say} then do so they are great for cutting kindling.{but so is $2.50 chinese axe.}

OIther than that I suggest you handle serious antique military kukri , or the modern but accurRATE tORA copies of them & THEN YOU CAN SPEAK FROM AN INFORMED STAnD POINT RATHER THAN AN UNDERSTADBLE DEFENSIVERNES BECAUSRE YOU ALRAEDY LIKE WHAT YOU OWN. & DONT WISH TO UNDERSTAND THAT KUKRI HAVE A LOT MORE TO THEM THAN YOU HAVE SO FAR LEAernt.

Knowledge will help you grow!

Not shouting ,just an accidental caps lock!

But I speak from the heart.

kukrilove!
 
Ghost Kobun said:
For thrusting I use the hybrid version of the Khukri houses Chukukri hybrid.
It has a double unique edge.
Again using the Khukri in the FMA : Use one Khukri in one hand & a straight dagger in the other.
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Lots of readers likely avoiding this now OT thread.

Why don't you try asking again in a few days,
with a slightly different title to avoid confusion.


Wish I could reply to your topic myself.


Respects



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Bobwhite said:
Thanks for the grey chicklet. Sign it next time.
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Ignore it Bob, that's what I intend to do with the unsigned gray that "Anonymous" sent me. The price for saying what needs to be said.

It just means that the shells must have splashed a little close to target.

Noah
 
kukrilove said:
Well your loyalty to Himalayan Imports wood choppers is commendable!

They split small fire logs well.We all agree there.. :D

But Munk,Bob etc.

You are on a martial arts forum discusing the martial use of a kukri, not whether your kukris will chop more wood than an axe! :D :rolleyes:
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You don't know what you're talking about. HI has easily three times the number of models of "fighting knives" than Tora. Chitlangi's, Chainpuri's, Sirupatis, BAS's, Junge's, Samshers, Kobras, Gelbus, Dui Chirras, Mallas, Tin Chirras, etc., etc., etc., all could be considered martial arts weapons.

You don't know what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Here's the smiley you should have used:
:footinmou
 
Over the years, many serious and even world class martial artists have come through HI forum, and have been fans of HI blades. I don't recall any of them issueing such a silly challenge; 'show me the video'.

Those of you with 2 to 10 posts to your names, who have mysteriously arrived on BF forums, are not doing Tora any good; just the opposite. You are embarressing yourselves and dragging Tora down with you.

I think the Kamis who make Tora blades deserve better than this. I think Simon got off to a terrible start, put his foot in his mouth, should apologize and start over. There is no reason for this thread and it has not put Tora in the best light.

munk
 
In posts 19 and 20, Simon did clarify that he is talking about khuks in a martial perspective and his take on it. He still managed some backhanded comments, but he did make a half apology. The rest with 2 to 10 posts muddied the waters. Tora probably makes a good khuk, I wont know ever. I have decided never to buy one based on all this. I will show my disfavor with my wallet. If the intent was to drum up sales and discredit a competitor, it had the opposite effect.
 
munk said:
. . . I think the Kamis who make Tora blades deserve better than this . . . There is no reason for this thread and it has not put Tora in the best light.

munk
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Could not agree more. The kamis will be the ones that ultimately suffer from this. A shame.

Anyhow, I spoke my mind. Outta this one.

Noah
 
kukrilove said:
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You are on a martial arts forum discusing the martial use of a kukri, not whether your kukris will chop more wood than an axe! :D :rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:

Subject to the decisions of the mods, we generally discuss what we chose. You lack the presence here to be an arbiter of discussion. Posters who appear strictly to carry water for another in a dispute seldom get much credit, love.

Simon took this thread off track by interjecting his negative comments about HI's products.
 
Gurkha said:
how come the Sgts from the Gurkhas ......impressed with what they saw, ...... now surelt this is the "ulitmate" test.
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No.

Truely, the ultimate test of any blade is
how it performs its job(s).

As a weapon---
consider this example of kukri blade combat:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197877

The occurance is related in the original post of the thread,
with two elaborating posts to fill in some detail.


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Bobwhite said:
In posts 19 and 20, Simon did clarify that he is talking about khuks in a martial perspective and his take on it.
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If you go to the website, you will notice lots of pictures of the khukuris doing wood work, chopping and so forth so they are not simply represented there as "fighting" knives.

Even here the problem is the way in which the information was presented not exactly what was said. It would be no different than saying one of Tora's khukuris was "poorly made" by subjecting it to a bending test alongside an Ang Khola.

Plus it doesn't help when the vast majority of your posts are rants on why people should listen to you instead of actually making a coherent arguement.


-Cliff
 
Gurkha said:
And just to finish off, why dont we all see what you are made of with your kukri skills. why dont you all post a video footage of you doing test cuts, a great way to look at different blades strengths and weekness and your technniques??
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You dont know what you just got yourself into. :) We have Satori.
 
kukrilove said:
Mark Nelson



I never said they were tourist crap.

I said.

Well Sirs I am sitting here on around a hundred serious military antique kukri & I have to say if you wish to buy 45% degree angle points, half inch thick spines & kaudi 1 inch from the handle to hide the poor spine handle joints under the bolster , tottaly against all tradition of kukri.{or cho as you less educated people say} then do so they are great for cutting kindling.{but so is $2.50 chinese axe.}

OIther than that I suggest you handle serious antique military kukri , or the modern but accurRATE tORA copies of them & THEN YOU CAN SPEAK FROM AN INFORMED STAnD POINT RATHER THAN AN UNDERSTADBLE DEFENSIVERNES BECAUSRE YOU ALRAEDY LIKE WHAT YOU OWN. & DONT WISH TO UNDERSTAND THAT KUKRI HAVE A LOT MORE TO THEM THAN YOU HAVE SO FAR LEAernt.

Knowledge will help you grow!

Not shouting ,just an accidental caps lock!

But I speak from the heart.

kukrilove!
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So you never said it was tourist crap. Good for you. It was SImon that said it. How many HI blades have you taken apart to see the "poor spine handle joints"? I have taken apart five or six blades and have never seen this so perhaps you could tell me where you came up with this idea. Here are a couple of more question that you will answer with some snide remark but I will ask anyway. You keep pounding tradtion and that is well and good but what are Tora handles like? Are they the same size as the ones on the "hundred serious military antique kukri" that you have? I ask because if they are they would be next to useless to me and many others. I would have to hold on to it with three fingers. If they are not the same size then why? Why are they made to fit bigger hands, if they are? It is not longer a "accurRATE tORA copies of them". Where is the tradition? Is it because people are bigger now in general? If the Kamis of old had a cheap source of steel AND were making khurks for people my size who is to say that they would not have been thicker bigger blades? Since you are so informed on khurks perhaps you can help me out with this one. What is wrong with me using a blade 1/2 inch thick if I can swing and maneuver it 95% as quickly as I can with one that is made to tradition specs? Why should I let tradition limit me? I still can't believe that you and the others have used this as a way to belittle HI products.
 
Hmmm...

I am cuious about something. Let's say hypothetically I were to call Ghurka, Kukrilove and Sirupate all arrogant. Would I be insulting 3 people or only 1?

A second rate trick that I've unfortunately seen many times over.

2 of many things one would learn after a liftime of learning/studying/training fighting arts would be humility and integrity. It's clear to me that you are not finished learning/studying/training.
 
kukrilove said:
.....loyalty to Himalayan Imports wood choppers is commendable!
You are on a martial arts forum discusing the martial use of a kukri,
not whether your kukris will chop more wood than an axe! :D :rolleyes:
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:rolleyes: :D

I submit for your consideration this concept;

A single strike intended to sever a branch or small tree
(say of only 2" diameter, or 3" if you like)
is more than adequate to sever a throat, wrist, arm, knee, neck, thigh......
Not that severing is necessary.

The differences between a tatami target & a tree are not that great
when practicing to deliver a blow that bites clean & deep.

And a khuk used to cut loosely hanging vines cleanly with one stroke
will do the same to flesh.

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Now, to diverge & digress from the above point.

I often use the tip of my khuk to slice in a strong stroke.
& it has just occurred to me
that a wider tip may well be better/as-well suited for this slicing action;
which has as many martial aspects as any other stroke.
Several images of martial blades with widened tips come to mind;
widened for either or both weighting & increased cutting/slicing edge.



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James Green Dragon said:
"You sell a competing brand of kukri. Gosh, forgot to mention that, didn't you? Very classy."

Agreed. That was a cheap shot there Federico. This is supposed to be a place to exchange knowledge & information. There isn't much room for disparaging other knife makers in order to sell your blades and I can't speak for anyone else but I have "0 tolerance" for that approach personally.

BTW, my point about modifying your thrusting has absolutely nothing to do with point style & absolutely everything to do with technique. The "slicing" "circular" (okay, half circular?) type thrusts I learned in FMA are not suited to the Khuk's forward curving blade, though those were not the only thrusting techniques we were taught...

Again, I'm no FMA expert but I have a passing familiarity with both the FMA and the Khukri. ...And I'd very much like to get my hands on one of those "blunt tipped" (NOT!) poor quality (absolutely NOT) blades from HI - you know the ones with the "if you can break it will give you two" warranties!!!

So if you can't tell, IMO, HI rocks ;)
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Well James, Im hoping you simply read the quote that I quoted, and have misplaced the name, but I did not say anything bad about any knife maker. Rather I said that I like and have been using HI blades for many years, and was wondering why Sirupate's list of bad traits were supposed to be bad. Now, if you did read right, and are angry with me questioning Sirupate's argument, then oh well, I dont agree with him, and felt I was being fair in asking why the traits he listed are bad, and I stand by it.
 
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