Kali done with Khukri's

[munk]

I think this dead horse had been beaten enough.

Metal was expensive and to be used frugally in Nepal. The people were short statured. The khuks made a hundred years ago are different than the khuks made a hundred years before that, and so on.

HI Kamis have advanced the concept of the khuk into all kinds of applications. This is not a limitation or a weakness, but a great strength.



munk

 

[Federico]

On the subject of khukris and FMA. Heavier blades, with thick spines can acutally be a bonus for many FMA styles. There is good precedence in traditional Philippine weapons, for some blades to have extremely thick spines up to half an inch. Easily the Pira or Talibong/Garab comes to mind. For many FMA styles, the weight of the weapon is not at issue, as the style depends on proper control of momentum and so strikes are not made requiring hard stopping of a sword ala star wars, but in which the weapons own weight is used to help add momentum and trajectories are modified but not a whole stop go idea in motion. Hmmm...I hope that makes some sense. But on a historical level, in FMA weaponry, since the original question was about FMA and Khukris, not traditional khukri fighting, there are many Filipino swords that are in fact weighted to add a little more hmmpphh to their attack, such as the barong, pira, garab, etc...

As for thrusting with a khukri, I would not be so concerned about thrusting safety. One, many FMA styles do not emphasize the thrust, while it exists, the primary mode of attack is a chopping strike. Two, many traditional FMA blades do not have guards either, such as the barong, pira, talibong, etc... Three, if you are thrusting at proper targets, eg. the soft spots vs bone, then the resistance to your thrust should be so bad that the lack of guard should really matter.


The biggest problem that I have encountered using khukri in FMA, can be the bend of the blade. Being use to a straighter weapon, it takes some minor adjustments to get used to the bent blade.

 

[munk]

Hey! I just got a 'ding' by Khukrilove!! Only his weight was insufficient, much like the 'logic' of his posts in this thread, to affect my status in any way! Thank you Khukri Love!!!


He was afraid to sign his name, however.... he lacked the integrity to put his signature on his opinion.

Don't worry khukrilove! I won't 'ding' you! Your posts have discredited yourself and your cause without my return. Simon does not deserve defenders like you.

As a human interest byline, with no probable statistical relevance, is the observation that if one were judging quality of the khukuris solely on the basis of the quality of the posts of those individuals speaking for each brand, you would have to conclude HI was a superior product!!!

munk

 

[BruiseLeee]

I hold white belts in several martial arts.

I always thought that the Filipino styles were adaptable to whatever item was in hand. Heavy, light, long, short, sharp, or blunt one merely adjusted one's body movements and techniques to empahasize the advantages and minimize the disadvantages of one's weapon. Learn the principles and use everything. Blah blah blah...

I have video of me getting punched in the head but I don't have the bandwidth to post it.

 

[munk]

Spiral twista has written me privately and given his word the poster khukrilove is not him. He complains someone is even attempting to copy his style. I withdraw my assumption, and will edit my post accordingly.



munk

 

[ArchAngel]

Much has been said here by a lot of people that I respect. I own 40 or so khuks. Around a half dozen from the old Ghurka House and the rest by HI.
I am far from being any sort of authority to be sure. I have test chopped with all of my blades and found some better suited to chopping wood and others that are pure weapon. I have things that I really like in a khuk and other things that I don't. Those thoughts are my OPINIONS and are worth what you, my fellow forumites pay for them, Nothing. I love my HI khuks, some more that others. I love my GH khuks. Less fit and finish, but solid using khuks. I have yet to own a Tora khuk, so I can not make a judgement on their quality, Yet.
I feel that HI's reputation speaks for itself. If it fails you, return it for refund or replacement. That speaks volumes about Uncle Bills and Yangdus belief in their product and their willingness to care for their customers. This is important to me. The person behind a product is important. That attention to my needs and concerns means a LOT!
It is too bad that this discussion had to take this bad turn. Hurt feelings all around. I always find it sad how easily a conversation can turn bad on the net. Many say things that in person would cause nose breaking to say the least.
I have HI khuks that fit all of Simons definitions of a great khuk. I have ones that don't. I love them all
I wish Simon had worded things better and not made it a seem such an attack on HI's quality. He seems to be a man with some good insites. Maybe this will clear up and we can all get back to the search for the perfect khuk. (To our own tastes). I will watch and see. I will let others judge who is right and who is wrong.
My take on Uncle Bills thoughts on this. He would wish Simon well and move on. Good advice.

 

[munk]

I agree. The posts by Simon are at odds with private correspondance we've had together. No one says everything the right way all the time. I think he put his foot in his mouth. I think he started wrong and things went from bad to worse.


munk

 

[Noah Zark]

I hold white belts in several martial arts . . . I have video of me getting punched in the head but I don't have the bandwidth to post it.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BruiseLeee again."

Noah

 

[stevomiller]

Hey oltimers, doesn't one of these guys remind you of BF? One of them even reminds me of that monkey rump Aussie that we know. wtf.

Simon, I must agree that I had mixed feelings when you were asked to move along from the cantina. I have since changed my mind. Bad for both of us 'cause I really wanted to buy one of your khuks. Sad turn of events methinks.

stevo

 

[Bamboo]

I would have no issue whatsoever taking an HI blade into combat.


Yes, I would prefer to have a choice out of the line-up to get something that works for me ~ weight, length, style ....

*BUT* were you to hand me any HI khuk and told me that this was my knife, take it or leave it ... I would breathe a sigh of relief, and thank the universe for giving me a great piece of steel to protect my life with.

And there are Plenty of martial HI blades.

~ B

 

[Gurkha]

Munk, as my wife says its quality noy quantity !!! the best things in the world are not mass produced !!!! Rolls Royce, Ferrarri or whatever !

 

[Bobwhite]

Gurkha, your post is not making sense. I don't see where Munk was talking about quantity or quality unless it is about posts, not khuks. Maybe you should read that part again, it is a subtle analogy he is proposing. Yes the best things are not mass produced, and neither are Himalayan Imports khuks. If you knew about them and the company that makes them you would know that. You are proving you don't know what you are talking about and you are making very little sense with your post.

 

[michaelbaxter28]

Hello.

I would have no issue whatsoever taking an HI blade into combat.

Does that mean that you are trained in the correct use of a kukri in combat? If you are, I'd be interested in hearing from whom you learnt your techniques.

Yes, I would prefer to have a choice out of the line-up to get something that works for me ~ weight, length, style ....

*BUT* were you to hand me any HI khuk and told me that this was my knife, take it or leave it ... I would breathe a sigh of relief, and thank the universe for giving me a great piece of steel to protect my life with.

:yawn:

I am a reader rather than a poster on BF and, after following this thread and others, I have come to the conclusion that this site is blatently bias towards HI. This is particularly evident in that HI hasn't made an effort (?) to establish their own forums and instead chooses to latch onto BF. Regardless of what others think, I see this as advertising.

Bamboo, what is your preferred weight, length and style when comes to choosing a kukri? Your "thanking the universe" for a HI kukri is, in my opinion, slightly odd and some may deem immature.

 

[Bobwhite]

As far as HI 'latching onto BF for advertising' to paraphrase. Do you accuse Chrise Reeve and Jerry Busse of doing the same? Sebenza's and Busse's have equally rabid fans, as does Spyderco and Strider. There are members here who feel strongly about brands, and when baloney claims are made against them, they respond accordingly. I would say Simon is guilty of advertising while defaming another company with his post of that picture and corresponding discription of what is and is not a quality khuk, if I go by your criteria. I think he should be allowed to say whatever he wants, but he needs to accept the fallout from that.

 

[Thomas Linton]

. . . I am a reader rather than a poster on BF and, after following this thread and others, I have come to the conclusion that this site is blatently bias towards HI. This is particularly evident in that HI hasn't made an effort (?) to establish their own forums and instead chooses to latch onto BF. Regardless of what others think, I see this as advertising.
. . .

You mob just don't get it.

OK, let's pretend for a moment that you're not another stalking horse for Simon.

This IS HI's forum ["Blade ForumS"]. Several "manufacturers" have forums here. Others have forums at the "other place." (For a supposed regular lurker you don't know beans about the setup. Conclusion: you are another alter ego summoned to continue a fruitless attack.)

Are we biased towards HI? I suppose so, but the negative comments have been about the behavior of Simon and buds, not the khukuri he flogs. I see not a single negative comment about his product. All the negatives about khukuri have been by Simon and his buds.

Keep it up. More favorable "advertising" for HI will be called forth by your clueless comments since HI is the premier brand in the world.

Cheers.

 

[Ghost Kobun]

On the subject of khukris and FMA. Heavier blades, with thick spines can acutally be a bonus for many FMA styles. There is good precedence in traditional Philippine weapons, for some blades to have extremely thick spines up to half an inch. Easily the Pira or Talibong/Garab comes to mind. For many FMA styles, the weight of the weapon is not at issue, as the style depends on proper control of momentum and so strikes are not made requiring hard stopping of a sword ala star wars, but in which the weapons own weight is used to help add momentum and trajectories are modified but not a whole stop go idea in motion. Hmmm...I hope that makes some sense. But on a historical level, in FMA weaponry, since the original question was about FMA and Khukris, not traditional khukri fighting, there are many Filipino swords that are in fact weighted to add a little more hmmpphh to their attack, such as the barong, pira, garab, etc...

As for thrusting with a khukri, I would not be so concerned about thrusting safety. One, many FMA styles do not emphasize the thrust, while it exists, the primary mode of attack is a chopping strike. Two, many traditional FMA blades do not have guards either, such as the barong, pira, talibong, etc... Three, if you are thrusting at proper targets, eg. the soft spots vs bone, then the resistance to your thrust should be so bad that the lack of guard should really matter.


The biggest problem that I have encountered using khukri in FMA, can be the bend of the blade. Being use to a straighter weapon, it takes some minor adjustments to get used to the bent blade.

It makes sense, I was aware of some of the dagger/blades found in the FMA but unaware of the vast array of blades. Some I have seen though did not have names for them.

Thanks for the reply. Could you direct me to a link where some of these blades are named with pictures.

Also correct; direct thrusting of dagga's are not the primary in the FMA. Anglulation is the primary attribute.

I find the curve of the Khukri helps me 'capture' the blade of the opponent.
In capturing, I really mean that the curve helps to be definitive on the 'check' being solid.

In the movie 'Arthur' double Kukri's where used. As the knives used where modified with a 'kind' of brass knuckle.

Kobun

 

[Cliff Stamp]

[HI as martial arts tools]

Does that mean that you are trained in the correct use of a kukri in combat? If you are, I'd be interested in hearing from whom you learnt your techniques.

There are comments from bando people in the HI forum in the past.

I have come to the conclusion that this site is blatently bias towards HI.

There was even another khukuri forum on Bladeforums at one point, it went under when the guy selling the khukuris moved on.

At several times in the past when competitors challenged HI khukuris Bill and many HI customers were very open to a side by side comparison.

Of course many people are loyal to HI out of respect for Bill, but if the quality of the product wasn't there, this never could have happened.

This is particularly evident in that HI hasn't made an effort (?) to establish their own forums and instead chooses to latch onto BF. Regardless of what others think, I see this as advertising.

Bladeforums has a very high traffic as does Knifeforums, plus setting up and running your own forum takes time and resources, it makes little sense to do it independently when there are already two very major discussion forums you can be part of. The only reason you would do this is if you didn't like the way those two cites were run/moderated. Yes it is advertizing, it isn't only this, but it is part of it obviously.

-Cliff

 

[munk]

Bias is a two edged word. Being biased for a proven wonderful product, over the arrogant and ill founded attacks by supporters of a relatively unknown product, is not illogical, especially when the supporters have introduced rancor and venom to their cause.

The illogic of the charges against HI by Tora and Tora supporters have been refuted, yet the attacks continue. That's a form of bias I don't like- ignorance and just plain spite.

Tora should have issued a correction in this thread and graciously stopped the self destruction. It hasn't happened. That's a darn shame.

When there was another major khuk distributor in BF there was not this meaness. Tora brought this to the table. Anyone reading this thread, particularly a 6 or 10 post Tora Shill-wonder, who wishes to conclude there is a bias towards HI and it is unfair to poor little Tora, (who did the attacking in the first place,) is welcome to reach whatever conclusion they wish. They can conclude Man never landed on the Moon while they're at it, or Terrorists are not responsible for the London bombings. The newest 'charge', that of HI 'latching' onto BF, is of no earthly value in determining anything. What does this mean, exactly? Nothing. I suggest next you compare the gas milage Yangdu gets in Reno over Simon's mph in Britain; that will have at least as much to do with khuks as the rest of the scathing insights brought to this thread on behalf of Tora.

What next? Tora's Kamis are fatter than HI's?




munk

 

[donutsrule]

I am a reader rather than a poster on BF

Actually, looking at all of your posts on Bladeforums (which are uniformly about Tora), it appears you are more likely a construct of Sirupate's imagination, or else have some commercial or familial relationship to Tora.


I can't wait 'till the next sub-20-post troll pops up in this thread.



Back to the subject at hand, kukris work quite well in at least some filipino styles. The forward balance (as Federico was saying) is something present in my hand-forged, filipino-made live and practice swords, and is used to keep the point on line with the target even while using the flat or spine of the blade to deflect an opponent's blade.

 

[Svashtar]

Bias is a two edged word. Being biased for a proven wonderful product, over the arrogant and ill founded attacks by supporters of a relatively unknown product, is not illogical, especially when the supporters have introduced rancor and venom to their cause.

The illogic of the charges against HI by Tora and Tora supporters have been refuted, yet the attacks continue. That's a form of bias I don't like- ignorance and just plain spite.

Tora should have issued a correction in this thread and graciously stopped the self destruction. It hasn't happened. That's a darn shame.

When there was another major khuk distributor in BF there was not this meaness. Tora brought this to the table. Anyone reading this thread, particularly a 6 or 10 post Tora Shill-wonder, who wishes to conclude there is a bias towards HI and it is unfair to poor little Tora, (who did the attacking in the first place,) is welcome to reach whatever conclusion they wish. They can conclude Man never landed on the Moon while they're at it, or Terrorists are not responsible for the London bombings. The newest 'charge', that of HI 'latching' onto BF, is of no earthly value in determining anything. What does this mean, exactly? Nothing. I suggest next you compare the gas milage Yangdu gets in Reno over Simon's mph in Britain; that will have at least as much to do with khuks as the rest of the scathing insights brought to this thread on behalf of Tora.

What next? Tora's Kamis are fatter than HI's?




munk

Munk, you have almost 8600 posts, and are responding to an ignorant troll with 8 whole posts to his name. If indeed he even existed a week ago, which is doubtful, he obviously doesn't know squat.

Let's see, Tora uses a bull&^*t comparison to extol the supposed superior quality of their khuks, cherry picking their straw man and not even mentioning the 20 or so other HI models that would prove equal or superior to their choice, and HI is biased????

I'm very much afraid you're wasting your breath trying to be logical with trolls who can delude themselves to this extent.

Regards,

Norm