Kali done with Khukri's

All disputes aside, most khukuri scabbards lack a ridge around the upper section to retain the frog. Given the preferred carry (stuck in a sash and, interestingly, with the handle presented to the left hand), that is hardly surprising.

Military khukuri are carried hung from a belt, requiring a frog, and it takes careful fitting indeed to have a frog stay in place without a ridge engaged in an opening in the frog. In short, a ridge may well be a short-cut to avoid the need for careful fitting of the frog OR to provide for loosening of the fit under field conditions.

I wonder why one does not see more use of metal studs on scabbards to secure frogs.
 
I went to the Tora site. I read what they have to say in that forum. There was some talk about none of us being willing to carry on the fight on their home turf. We are a bunch of babies and ignorant fools. We are guilty of immature behavior and name calling.
I tried to join.
It lets me read posts, but not post myself. The site will not send me a confirmation email so I can post. Simon will not reveal his email here. He will not recieve personal messages here. I can't contact him so I can accept the challenge.
Simon, if you read this, please correct your site so I can join or private message me your email so we can continue discussing this in private. I have tried to contact you three ways and was denied access by all of them.
 
Thought I would post some pics of different models for comparison. I really should have waited for morning, as the picture is not well done at all, but it does give you an idea of the overall shape and curve of the knives, and I wanted to get this in tonight.

From left to right:

1) NKH Tin Chirra - note the habaki bolster. By the way, the handle design on this khuk is indistinguishable from the #2 Tora.

2) Tora 13.5" (they measure blade length instead of OAL) Tin Chirra. This is the one with the loose buttcap found after 3 medium strikes on a soft 4X4. Note the habaki bolster on this Tora khuk! (It works for me though, and I don't believe it is hiding any "defects.")

3) HI Sanu Hanshee. No habaki bolster.

4) HI Bura 18" Dui Chirra. No habaki bolster.

5) HI Bura Tin Chirra. Habaki bolster

6) Tora WW1 MK1. No habaki bolster.

7) HI Sgt. Karka Samsher. No habaki bolster.

8) HI Bura Samsher. Habaki bolster.

9) HI Sher Dui Chirra. No habaki bolster.

10) HI Kumar YCS. No habaki bolster.

The two knives with the worst cho (kauri) creep are the 1st NKH and the #8 Bura Chandra Samsher. The #5 Bura Tin Chirra has less of a cho creep than does the #2 Tora.

The samshers are by far the best cutters for me personally. They are scary sharp and perfectly angled for my hand, as is the YCS. So, I guess the big deal to our poster is that his are "curved" more, which (to me) actually makes them slightly less user friendly, harder to strike with, and presents less open blade. Although considering the fat blade on them, it seems to me that the #9 Sher Dui Chirra and the #10 Kumar YCS are curved very well, as are all of the others, with the exception of the #5 Tin Chirra.

I would challenge any fair minded person to look at HI blades #'s 3, 4, 8 or 9, and tell me they are "less pointed" than the #2 Tora blade.

Finally, I thought you might like to take a look at this link, which shows a "poorly designed" (as per Tora) jade handled khukuri, circa 1860, owned by Rod Allen, with similar models owned by John Powell. No "Tora handle curve" and less overall blade curve than any HI to this "tourist junker" at all!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320993&highlight=kauri

Thanks & Regards,

Norm
 
Bobwhite said:
I went to the Tora site. I read what they have to say in that forum. There was some talk about none of us being willing to carry on the fight on their home turf. We are a bunch of babies and ignorant fools. We are guilty of immature behavior and name calling.
I tried to join.
It lets me read posts, but not post myself. The site will not send me a confirmation email so I can post. Simon will not reveal his email here. He will not recieve personal messages here. I can't contact him so I can accept the challenge.
Simon, if you read this, please correct your site so I can join or private message me your email so we can continue discussing this in private. I have tried to contact you three ways and was denied access by all of them.
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Not worth doing.
 
Bob its been done, cheers Simon.

Hello Svashtar, I realised that there might be a problem with that type of Kothimora handle and it has been changed as per the pic below;

2005-06-21_202006_torablade.jpg


PS if this breaking any rules and regs, please do the necessary editing etc.

Cheers Simon
 
Sirupate,
I am reinterating to you now and publically that the ban on your attendance in HI forum, instigated by our late friend modertor Rusty Slate, is still in effect.
Previous thoughts on my part to change this status are resolved, and I and my fellow mods will not change your status there. This does not of course change your status with the rest of BF, where you are free to post.
I wish you better luck in the future with clarifying your product and it's place in a world dominated justifiably by HI Khukuris, the world's best. If you persist on the inaccurate misleading premise you started in post number 5, (?) yours is an uphill struggle.
Norm's post with a simple picture answers your false characterization of all HI khuks.
There are more knowledgable men than I who've answered all spurious assumptions. If you continue without taking responsibility for baiting and mischaracterization this thread will become a kind of science experiment: How far will he go? Reminds me of "wrong way Feltman" (?) a gentleman famous for going the wrong way on the football field and making a touchdown for the other team.
It might become a famous sociological event. A living testimoney to dysfunction and denial. Up is down, round is flat, good is bad, Brave New World where Tora is 'best'. It has to rank as one of the most poignant public relations blunders in the Blade Community's modern history.

And let me say again; I like Tora khuks. Good khuks, glad they're here. It's not neccesary to sell them by attacking HI with misleading statements.

Good luck.




munk
 
Wow. This thread has really diverged from the original post of doing FMA with khukuris. I wish I could be in agreement that it was a simple understanding, but after reading Simon's posts on the Tora forums, this clearly was a clear attack on HI. The stuff he posted over on Tora almost made me retch, to think he would call Uncle Bill and Yangdu only in it because they are a "business" vs him only in it as a hobby.

Anyways, I would for one say that one thing must be remembered about this forum. Last time I looked it said Filipino Martial Arts forum. Not what is the ultimate khuk forum. This thread no longer has anything to do with FMA, and I for one vote that it is high time it be locked.

What makes a good khukuri, well obviously Tora martial arts are stuck on a specific type of blade. However, since this is an FMA forum, well what may be suitable for Tora Martial Arts does not necessarily reflect what is suitable for FMA.

Argghhh...I am sorry in advanced. I dont post much on Bladeforums anymore due to life's burdens. But I am just disgusted with the behavior of Tora. Particularly Simon on his own forums, insulting a dead man who cared more for Nepal, than this...I better not say. I am done with this thread, but I just had to add my disgust.
 
Simon emailed me. I will have access to his site. I will continue this discusion there. I fully expect to be belittled, antagonized, insulted and generally abused. All the behavior they say they were on the receiving end of here. But it may lead to the furthering of knowledge about khuks and there is a chance for reasonable discussion with a few people there. Probably can't get there until later today though. Perhaps a link from here to there at this point would be best, so we can let this thread die here and continue there. That way we will not be infringing on the FMA forums any longer.
 
Hello Bob,

You will be treated very fairly, and I look forward to a reasoned discusion.

Cheers Simon
 
I still can't get on. I tried to get the site to send me a confirmation email that will have a link to click. I can't post until that happens I guess. Eveytime I try to do it I get a HTTP 500 Internal server error. I don't know what that means or what to do about it. Is the problem on my server, your server? Any suggestions? I even tried to create another account from scratch and got the same thing.
 
Hello Bob,

To be honest I haven't a clue, but I will get Leanne to check it out when she gets home from work.

Cheers Simon
 
Sirupate said:
Bob its been done, cheers Simon.

Hello Svashtar, I realised that there might be a problem with that type of Kothimora handle and it has been changed as per the pic below;

Cheers Simon
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I haven't had a problem at all with the handle Simon, other than the thin buttcap working loose. That has nothing to do with the habaki bolster you used on the knife. I also haven't had any problem with the habaki bolster on the many NKH knives I have, nor on the many dozen HI knives I have worked with. From a purely esthetic standpoint I do like this new one better (same as on my Tora WW1 MK1) than the two-toned one I bought from Tora last year.

Norm
 
Bobwhite said:
I still can't get on. I tried to get the site to send me a confirmation email that will have a link to click. I can't post until that happens I guess. Eveytime I try to do it I get a HTTP 500 Internal server error. I don't know what that means or what to do about it. Is the problem on my server, your server? Any suggestions? I even tried to create another account from scratch and got the same thing.
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The same thing happened to me as well, Bobwhite.

Bob
 
There is a problem with the code which sends the email confirmation :

Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0035'

File not found

/forum/functions/functions_send_mail.asp, line 248


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-Cliff
 
Q. I'm getting Microsoft VBScript Runtime Error 800a0035, whats wrong?
A. This error typically occurs when the file that is required, does not exist (namely guestbook.txt), or the script is looking in the wrong folder for it. To check this, first verify guestbook.txt actually exists, if so, check the .asp file's, to make sure they are looking in the correct folder.

By default, the connection path for the file tells it to look in the same folder as your .asp file's.

This is all Greek to me but it is what I dug up.
 
Hello Bob,

Leanne has done the settings now (we went to the pub last night), so you should be alright, and we look forward to your input.

Hello Norm,

I was concerned about the handle, as we had had a couple of the but caps go loose and one bolster go loose. So when I was in Nepal I went through with the kami the handle that I thought was more appropriate if people wanted to use the kukri other than for Martial useage.
Is the MKI WWI our first version?


Cheers Simon
 
I am on there now, so follow there if you are interested. Thanks to the FMA forum for their patience. This thread should die now.
 
Sirupate said:
Hello Bob,

Hello Norm,

I was concerned about the handle, as we had had a couple of the but caps go loose and one bolster go loose. So when I was in Nepal I went through with the kami the handle that I thought was more appropriate if people wanted to use the kukri other than for Martial useage.
Is the MKI WWI our first version?


Cheers Simon
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I believe the MK1 is your first version, but I am not sure. It was also bought about a year ago. It is included in the group pic a few posts up. #6 from the left.

Norm
 
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