Kansas Knife Ban Bill Introduced

Twindog said:
Nope. I don't have any idea whether this is a good or bad bill.

I pointed out that Doug Ritter's rabble-rousing post was not correct, as usual. Ritter says: "...but without mention in the bill summary it sneakily also would reinstate "dagger, dirk, ... dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto" as prohibited knives."

It does not prohibit those knives. That's a lie. It would prohibit possession of those weapons if the person was specifically intending to use those weapons to illegally kill or wound another person. Think of cops stopping a gang of white nationalists carrying guns and daggers while descending on a peaceful demonstration for immigrant rights. In that case, the cops could intervene.

But intent is very hard to prove. Criminal prosecution requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here's a primer:
https://www.americanbar.org/content..._sac/2014_sac/best_practices.authcheckdam.pdf

Ritter does nothing for knife rights. He's just in it for his own personal gain. And he targets conservatives who think liberals are going to take away their knives. So we get: "The enemies of freedom never sleep." Only Ritter can stop the evil liberals, blah, blah, blah. See his website, blah, blah, blah. Send him money, blah, blah, blah. Sign up for more marketing propaganda, blah, blah, blah.
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Horse manure. Cops could intervene without this vague wording they are trying to slip in. We get it, you want more laws that do nothing.

My state recently benefited from Doug and knife rights. It isn't propaganda, it's what's happening, he's making a difference, you're just making noise. Stop hating on knife rights and Doug.

Start your own group and rally for more laws if you want:rolleyes:

Police DETAIN people for suspicion along with a boat load of other reasons every day. So the scenario you created to show the usefulness of the wording they are trying to slip in is a joke. Try educating yourself on the broad powers officers have for detention before spounting lies and misinformation.
 
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danbot said:
I wish we had someone leading a similar organization in Canada! I would love to add some balisongs to my collection!
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Then you'd have people there fighting to remain balisong-less. Lol
 
Read the legal link I posted on criminal "intent." You'll see you're wrong. Or, maybe you won't see. I can't make you think.

I specifically pointed out how Ritter's OP is wrong, as it always is. All you have to do is read the proposed law and Ritter's description of it. Ritter is clearly engaging in propaganda because he's trying to get you to do things based on his misrepresentation of the issue.

Ritter is making a difference. He's making knife owners less popular.



shinyedges said:
Horse manure. Cops could intervene without this vague wording they are trying to slip in. We get it, you want more laws that do nothing.

My state recently benefited from Doug and knife rights. It isn't propaganda, it's what's happening, he's making a difference, you're just making noise. Stop hating on knife rights and Doug.

Start your own group and rally for more laws if you want:rolleyes:

Police DETAIN people for suspicion along with a boat load of other reasons every day. So the scenario you created to show the usefulness of the wording they are trying to slip in is a joke. Try educating yourself on the broad powers officers have for detention before spounting lies and misinformation.
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Twindog said:
Read the legal link I posted on criminal "intent." You'll see you're wrong. Or, maybe you won't see. I can't make you think.

I specifically pointed out how Ritter's OP is wrong, as it always is. All you have to do is read the proposed law and Ritter's description of it. Ritter is clearly engaging in propaganda because he's trying to get you to do things based on his misrepresentation of the issue.

Ritter is making a difference. He's making knife owners less popular.
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Baloney. I understand just fine the wording doesn't outright ban the knives. Doesn't change the fact laws are already on the books that cover what they are trying to slip in.

You taking offense to his post and picking and choosing what to attack are laughable. Like I said start a group and lobby for your bogus redundant laws.

I can now legally carry knives that were illegal in my state.

Thank you doug. Pay no mind to the haters.
 
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ScooterG said:
Californication...sad.
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Yup. Been in this stupid State all my life. I'm outa here soon and leaving this place to collapse. Hopefully I'm outa here by then. Still can't believe Reagan was once our Governor.
Sad about Kansas. Politicians like that operate on emotion and ignorance, not facts.

And yes Doug, thanks for all you do.
 
Twindog said:
Nope. I don't have any idea whether this is a good or bad bill.

I pointed out that Doug Ritter's rabble-rousing post was not correct, as usual. Ritter says: "...but without mention in the bill summary it sneakily also would reinstate "dagger, dirk, ... dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto" as prohibited knives."

It does not prohibit those knives. That's a lie. It would prohibit possession of those weapons if the person was specifically intending to use those weapons to illegally kill or wound another person. Think of cops stopping a gang of white nationalists carrying guns and daggers while descending on a peaceful demonstration for immigrant rights. In that case, the cops could intervene.

But intent is very hard to prove. Criminal prosecution requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here's a primer:
https://www.americanbar.org/content..._sac/2014_sac/best_practices.authcheckdam.pdf

Ritter does nothing for knife rights. He's just in it for his own personal gain. And he targets conservatives who think liberals are going to take away their knives. So we get: "The enemies of freedom never sleep." Only Ritter can stop the evil liberals, blah, blah, blah. See his website, blah, blah, blah. Send him money, blah, blah, blah. Sign up for more marketing propaganda, blah, blah, blah.
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Until you've been on the :poop: end of the judicial system's big bad stick , you have no clue what you're talking about . The system works great for those who make the laws and control their real life implementation . The not-so-privileged are just meat for the grinder ! These laws are for the benefit of elites , who've no intention of being bound by them . :mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 
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Get out of CA before the tax on driving miles. :rolleyes: Yeah, a tax for using the roadways based on you telling how many miles you have driven, another one of your habits they wish to know about and tax.:eek: As for splitting hairs on the Kansas knife law, I am amazed at the naivete of the poster who "sort of" defends it (though backing and filling)o_O (see MANY gun laws) :mad:
 
vanadium said:
Tell us why we need a law that does that, and we'll all stand behind it. :rolleyes:
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Wait, you mean murder is illegal and people who are going to commit murder won't listen to another law that says they can't have a knife? Hmm, how abstract the concept is, so few can grasp it.
 
shinyedges said:
Wait, you mean murder is illegal and people who are going to commit murder won't listen to another law that says they can't have a knife? Hmm, how abstract the concept is, so few can grasp it.
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And then if stopped by an officer the would be criminal would LIE (GASP) and say they have no intent on committing a crime!?!?

Say it isn't so!
 
Twindog said:
Nope. I don't have any idea whether this is a good or bad bill.

I pointed out that Doug Ritter's rabble-rousing post was not correct, as usual. Ritter says: "...but without mention in the bill summary it sneakily also would reinstate "dagger, dirk, ... dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto" as prohibited knives."

It does not prohibit those knives. That's a lie. It would prohibit possession of those weapons if the person was specifically intending to use those weapons to illegally kill or wound another person. Think of cops stopping a gang of white nationalists carrying guns and daggers while descending on a peaceful demonstration for immigrant rights. In that case, the cops could intervene.

But intent is very hard to prove. Criminal prosecution requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here's a primer:
https://www.americanbar.org/content..._sac/2014_sac/best_practices.authcheckdam.pdf

Ritter does nothing for knife rights. He's just in it for his own personal gain. And he targets conservatives who think liberals are going to take away their knives. So we get: "The enemies of freedom never sleep." Only Ritter can stop the evil liberals, blah, blah, blah. See his website, blah, blah, blah. Send him money, blah, blah, blah. Sign up for more marketing propaganda, blah, blah, blah.
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So if you're specifically intending to commit a violent crime you would be fine if you used a Buck 110 and not a Microtech? Totally pointless proposal. Also, Knife Rights helped free my home state of Colorado from some extremely outdated and pointless knife laws..
 
G. Scott H. said:
What evidence do you have to back up these statements? Disagreeing with someone's views and/or methods is fine, but calling them a liar and a fraud is whole other kettle of fish.
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He's a MINDREADER who knows everyone's secret evil "intent " !:D
 
G. Scott H. said:
What evidence do you have to back up these statements? Disagreeing with someone's views and/or methods is fine, but calling them a liar and a fraud is whole other kettle of fish.
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I clearly explained the Big Lie in his OP. I clearly showed it was a lie.

Now look at all the personal business links he adds: click here and buy a newsletter, or a flashlight, or a big knife, or a little knife, or a survival pack ... on and on. He makes money off these endeavors and that merchandise -- and off these threads.

The idea that this proposed law is a threat to knife owners is a joke.

If you want non-knife people to respect our tools/hobbies, treat those people with respect and use your knives responsibly.
 
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