Kevin John knock offs

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I am dealing with a vendor from the UK who has an issue with their proprietary product being "cloned" and was told they have had great success with this

organization:

http://www.react.org/

If this is not allowed then mods please remove. I am in no way affiliated with them but it seems they are quite effective in assisting with this issue.
 
diracismyhero said:
This thread has made me curious I might buy some of these Kevin John knives.
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CRK can do nothing about the clones but we as the consumers can, and it is as simple as not buying the clones. That is the only way they will go away. A lot of pride of ownership in the KJ's knives. Do the people actually think they are getting a "CRK" when they buy one? if it looks like a Sebenza, smells like a Sebenza, well it must be a Sebenza.

I personally am sick of people defending theese companies (people) saying it is acceptable to own something that I can't afford, so this is the route they take stealing from the original manufacturer. Classy!
 
atony said:
CRK can do nothing about the clones but we as the consumers can, and it is as simple as not buying the clones. That is the only way they will go away. A lot of pride of ownership in the KJ's knives. Do the people actually think they are getting a "CRK" when they buy one? if it looks like a Sebenza, smells like a Sebenza, well it must be a Sebenza.

I personally am sick of people defending theese companies (people) saying it is acceptable to own something that I can't afford, so this is the route they take stealing from the original manufacturer. Classy!
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I don't know. Does it make a difference when the originals are sooo limited there would be no way you could own one? This is only for discussion sake, not arguing about knives here...

Owning a Picasso, or a Rembrant is out of my reach, but I sure would hang a repro lithograph. Is it different for art? Is the art only to be appreciated by those who can afford it, or afford to travel to see it? Just food for thought
 
High-Gear said:
I don't know. Does it make a difference when the originals are sooo limited there would be no way you could own one? This is only for discussion sake, not arguing about knives here...

Owning a Picasso, or a Rembrant is out of my reach, but I sure would hang a repro lithograph. Is it different for art? Is the art only to be appreciated by those who can afford it, or afford to travel to see it? Just food for thought
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The sebenza is not really rare though. Yes H & P sebenzas are, and regulars are getting rarer, but 21's are a dime a dozen ( well not quite ), but they are readily available...................Believe me, I never thought I would be able to afford a CRK either, until I got one, then pretty much all others were sold for more of em. I remember when the most I had ever spent for a knife was $60 for a Kershaw 1050 ( very fine lockback by the way ). To date, the most I have ever spend was $1,100 for a Busse Gladius and I dont ever see that happening again. Everyone is different, my father, the most he ever spent was $40 on a Case Trapper and he thought that was too much, while I routinely carry a $450 large regular sebenza or umnumzaan. Everyone is different.
 
If you have a trademark or service mark and you discover that someone is copying it, you must take all reasonable action to defend your mark or you lose your exclusive legal right to use it. Fallkniven vigorously defends their mark and has had some success.
 
They're still gonna keep making it... Selling it should be the easier offense to punish. Make ebay and Ali feel it for allowing their merhants to sell pirated items...

People cast in their nay vote by not buying. There are plenty of buyers who don't hold themselves to a moral standard when it comes to this, especially in other countries where they have less interest in American IP rights. I dont think its gonna go away, best to just ignore it and be aware everytime you make a purchase.
 
Beware my CRK Brothers & Sisters. There is now a Kevin John Fake Umnumzaan on ebay. First i have seen a fake Zaan. I hate bringing this up, but for the newbies out there and vets alike, they gotta be informed.
 
One of the biggest motivators for companies to NOT make their higher end products in China is Chinese business ethic. There is basically none. Quality isn't really an issue anymore as China has shown that they're able to produce items with the highest degrees of quality when needed. There are a few good examples of high end companies making their parts or products in China and the Chinese turning around and selling their products out the back doors at near cost wholesale prices.

This happened when high end watch maker Hublot moved production of their ceramic bezels to a Chinese factory. They sold these bezels for around ~$1200 when purchased as a replacement part for the watches they were shipping them on. The same bezels (real bezels made in the same factory) started showing up on fake Hublot watches that were selling for around $400. The replacements from the fake watch dealers were selling for around ~$100.

Also, the high end iPhone case maker Element was making their cases in China. An official element case will run you $100-150. The exact same cases could be bought from China for ~$12. Not replicas, but the exact case complete with packaging which are made in the same factories.

Both Element and Hublot have moved all production out of China.

The Chinese seem to have no integrity or business ethic. They have no problem biting the hand that fed them if they think they can make some extra cash on their own. Maybe this is the case of all business and not only the Chinese and we're only seeing it in China because their government lets them get away with it.
 
Aye, I saw those pop up a while back, there was a thread here too, but they are easily clocked as a fake so I don't see any regular CRK folks being duped by one. The same can't be said for the new guys to CRK I suppose but they are not hard to spot fakes......buyer beware and all that. :)

nyefmaker said:
Beware my CRK Brothers & Sisters. There is now a Kevin John Fake Umnumzaan on ebay. First i have seen a fake Zaan. I hate bringing this up, but for the newbies out there and vets alike, they gotta be informed.
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Haze said:
I personally don't care if it has the CR logo or not, it changes nothing of the unsavory nature of whole affair. The Sebenza is one of the most recognisable knives out there and they are clearly just sailing along on that. That is just as bad and no different than using the logo in my opinion.
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It is? Thought a SAK or a Case knife would win that award.

@Topic.

Fake knives, or copied designs whether sold as counterfeits or "reproductions" is distasteful.
I have purchased one to compare to my real sebenza and to make sure I don't go buying fakes. Afterwards I will probably just give it away to a family member.]

Bad business ethics is something human not just Chinese.
 
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I said "one of" not "the" and to us knife people it is right up there with SAKs as just about every one that's into knives knows what a Sebenza is.... IMO.

I have had 2 of the fake Regulars. I did a revew of one and that one was destroyed during materials testing. The other is now owed by CRK. Don't buy them, I felt daft enough forking out for the ones I got, but I did it so you don't have to. The review thread is still here for anyone to read it that wants to. :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/925712-Pictures-of-fake-Large-Regular-Sebenza

As for China if you haven't spent time there or tried to run/do business there it's best just not to say anything about it. It is a very different place to the west in many, many ways, but yes there are snakes in the grass in any country, it's just closer to the norm here.

Luis G. said:
It is? Thought a SAK or a Case knife would win that award.

@Topic.

Fake knives, or copied designs whether sold as counterfeits or "reproductions" is distasteful.
I have purchased one to compare to my real sebenza and to make sure I don't go buying fakes. Afterwards I will probably just give it away to a family member.]

Bad business ethics is something human not just Chinese.
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Haze said:
I said "one of" not "the" and to us knife people it is right up there with SAKs as just about every one that's into knives knows what a Sebenza is.... IMO.

I have had 2 of the fake Regulars. I did a revew of one and that one was destroyed during materials testing. The other is now owed by CRK. Don't buy them, I felt daft enough forking out for the ones I got, but I did it so you don't have to. The review thread is still here for anyone to read it that wants to. :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/925712-Pictures-of-fake-Large-Regular-Sebenza

As for China if you haven't spent time there or tried to run/do business there it's best just not to say anything about it. It is a very different place to the west in many, many ways, but yes there are snakes in the grass in any country, it's just closer to the norm here.
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Thanks HAZE, that was an awesome review you did, even in light of the issue. I have read it and studied the pics many times since you originally posted it. Thanks Again...!!!
 
Haze said:
I said "one of" not "the" and to us knife people it is right up there with SAKs as just about every one that's into knives knows what a Sebenza is.... IMO.

I have had 2 of the fake Regulars. I did a revew of one and that one was destroyed during materials testing. The other is now owed by CRK. Don't buy them, I felt daft enough forking out for the ones I got, but I did it so you don't have to. The review thread is still here for anyone to read it that wants to. :)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/925712-Pictures-of-fake-Large-Regular-Sebenza

As for China if you haven't spent time there or tried to run/do business there it's best just not to say anything about it. It is a very different place to the west in many, many ways, but yes there are snakes in the grass in any country, it's just closer to the norm here.
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Appreciate it.

Had not seen this review. Any idea if anyone has made a comparison between fake/real Sebenza 21?
 
I got my first Sebenza a few weeks ago and I was freakin' out checkin' to make sure I didn't get a fake, hoping everything was good and I have a genuine Small Sebebza 21 and after a few weeks in my hand I know without a doubt that it's real.

Now I'll have to go through this same anguish every time I trade for another Sebenza.
 
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T. Erdelyi said:
I got my first Sebenza a few weeks ago and I was freakin' out checkin' to make sure I didn't get a fake, living everything was good and I have a genuine Small Sebebza 21 and after a few weeks in my hand I know without a doubt that it's real.

Now I'll have to go through this same anguish every time I trade for another Sebenza.
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I would just limit my trading to people you see here FREQUENTLY, and are CRK addicts like myself...you won't have anything to worry about then...

Stay away from ebay whenever possible!!!
 
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