Kevin John knock offs

[Haze]

I find it hard to see what you think it adds to the thread. Many of us do know what is going on and understand exactly what is "right or wrong" about it. You however are quite obviously not one of those people so perhaps you should refrain from posting on the subject.

lots of misinformation in this thread. A couple corrections whether you find various replicas moral or ethical aside

1. No one really knows if Kevin John is a real person. I have asked numerous sources and I get conflicting responses. One thing is for sure though that Kevin John knives dont use logos or company names other than K. John, Kevin john etc. If the knife has any other logo attached to it other than relating to kevin john or triumph precision then it is probably a wild boar knife.

2. Kevin john knives, A Dai knives and Wild boar knives are all made by different groups of people. Wild boar is responsible for the lower quality replicas and many have tolerance issues.

3. No one really knows how many people are involved in the manufacture of kevin john and wild boar knives. I know in the case of A Dai it is two people making the knives on hand operated lathes and milling machines. Supposedly they have stopped producing the 0777 replica. The newer replicas of the 0777 are now made by those responsible for the wild boar knives and construction and materials are different.

4. The site responsible for most of these items being sold in the USA is not a reliable source in which to get your information. In other words if you see a seller selling a knife with the hinderer logo on it and they are selling it as a Kevin john that doesnt mean you have proof that the kevin john knives are using company logos. The only thing it means is that one of the sellers in china is trying to sell one of their counterfeits by using the K. john name because they are the better made replicas. You have to remember many of these products are made dishonestly so they will call them something other than they are if they think it will help sell the item.

5. On the forum a few people have brought up the extremely high prices they are finding these knives for and dont understand why the chinese think anyone would be so stupid as to pay that much for a fake. And your correct. It is a very high price. And its a deceptive listing practice but not for the reason you think. When you see one of these knives for a ridiculously high price its because its out of stock and they are raising the price to prevent people from buying the item. They do this so they dont have to pay to relist the item. Its similar to those who use extremely high prices on ebay to generate interest.

6. Ethics and morals aside to say that those responsible for these knives have no talent is a little misleading even if you have nothing but hate for them. Because if these groups in china are talentless and have no skills then this rule would apply to USA produced production facilities and any knife production facility. We forget that most workers in knife factories are not designers. Their job is to replicate approved prototypes. They didnt design anything. Their job is to produce it. But I wouldnt call them talentless. I totally understand peoples gripes with these products. It is warranted in the majority of the cases. But if your going to attack them attack them for the right reasons which is morals and ethics.

 

[SHOKDU]

Just wanted to share with you guys, pretty much all the counterfeit knives you're mentioning here can be found on that Chinese wholesale website. It's pretty amazing exactly how close that these fakes can get. My eyes are surely not as trained as some of you, but I can't really pick out any differences between the two I posted below, and the real things. A few minor differences in finishes, but that's about all I can pick out. Be careful guys!

<links to non-paid dealer sites removed>

 

[withanx]

Please do not post links to where people can buy fakes. You're violating forum rules in many ways.

 

[SHOKDU]

I'm sorry, I read the forum rules, and am reading them again...and I can not find anything about posting links to non paid advertisers other than one stipulation about deal spotting...which I was not doing.

 

[Haze]

As a rule of thumb it's best just to not post links to knife sites, we can talk about them or hint to them even but don't post links. There are also dealers that pay to sell here and they are being done an injustice by there being allowed links to other venders that don't. It should be in the rules some where but those are basically the reasons knife site links are not allowed.

I'm sorry, I read the forum rules, and am reading them again...and I can not find anything about posting links to non paid advertisers other than one stipulation about deal spotting...which I was not doing.

 

[nyefmaker]

Am I the only one wishing this thread was at the bottom of the heap....???

 

[PURPLEDC]

I find it hard to see what you think it adds to the thread. Many of us do know what is going on and understand exactly what is "right or wrong" about it. You however are quite obviously not one of those people so perhaps you should refrain from posting on the subject.

Can we not do this here? There is a place for your drama and you very well know where it is. I have every right to post my opinion anywhere I have access even if that means 100% of the people disagree with it. You could simply ignore it but you choose to make an issue of it. The only thing YOUR post adds is drama. You and your friends will hopefully learn sooner than later that it would be best to simply ignore me if you don't want to read my opinions. Because every time you pass up the option to do so, your only affirming what everyone knows, that you like the drama and it's a source of entertainment for you. I would say that you having over twice as many posts in whine and cheese vs. any other area of the forum pretty much confirms that. So please, keep your whining where it belongs.

 

[Luis G.]

I personally don't care if it has the CR logo or not, it changes nothing of the unsavory nature of whole affair. The Sebenza is one of the most recognisable knives out there and they are clearly just sailing along on that. That is just as bad and no different than using the logo in my opinion.

It is? Maybe in knife nut circles, but to most people on the bay it's just another knife.
I used to take my Sebenza to most social events, or outdoors activities. No one recognized it and so far everyone rolls their eyes over the cost. I've only seen one CRK (Large Sebenza with Micarta), that was a wealthy farmer/rancher in Texas and he didn't even know the name of the knife when I complimented him on his knife.


Either way not much we can do about these knives. They're not counterfeits but definitely steal designs.

Lastly I wanted ti mention that whoever Kevin John is (group or person), they do make almost unique designs. I've seen a couple "hand crafted" pieces which looked quite promising, except for the price tag ($1k-$2k~.

 

[PURPLEDC]

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Lastly I wanted ti mention that whoever Kevin John is (group or person), they do make almost unique designs. I've seen a couple "hand crafted" pieces which looked quite promising, except for the price tag ($1k-$2k~.

This I havent seen. I would like to see them make their own works but so far even the knives that once were thought to be their own design have proved to be copies of lesser known customs. I have seen a few of the kevin knives being sold in the $1000 range but those prices were actually because the knife wasnt in stock and the price was increased to prevent selling a product they didnt have instead of having to pay a relist fee once it was available again. But, I would like to see them make originals because despite what many believe I don't care for or condone counterfeiting. I simply have a different opinion on what qualifies as a counterfeit.

 

[Luis G.]

This I havent seen. I would like to see them make their own works but so far even the knives that once were thought to be their own design have proved to be copies of lesser known customs. I would like to see them make originals because despite what many believe I don't care for or condone counterfeiting. I simply have a different opinion on what qualifies as a counterfeit.

I will check it out again if i can find them, maybe they are copies of customs.

 

[Haze]

You have already tried this one a few pages back, try and remember what you're posting here and keep the silly attempts at trolling to your slef, Luis.

It is? Maybe in knife nut circles, but to most people on the bay it's just another knife.
I used to take my Sebenza to most social events, or outdoors activities. No one recognized it and so far everyone rolls their eyes over the cost. I've only seen one CRK (Large Sebenza with Micarta), that was a wealthy farmer/rancher in Texas and he didn't even know the name of the knife when I complimented him on his knife.


Either way not much we can do about these knives. They're not counterfeits but definitely steal designs.

Lastly I wanted ti mention that whoever Kevin John is (group or person), they do make almost unique designs. I've seen a couple "hand crafted" pieces which looked quite promising, except for the price tag ($1k-$2k~.

It is? Thought a SAK or a Case knife would win that award.

@Topic.

Fake knives, or copied designs whether sold as counterfeits or "reproductions" is distasteful.
I have purchased one to compare to my real sebenza and to make sure I don't go buying fakes. Afterwards I will probably just give it away to a family member.]

Bad business ethics is something human not just Chinese.

My response to your original attempt......remember now ?

I said "one of" not "the" and to us knife people it is right up there with SAKs as just about every one that's into knives knows what a Sebenza is.... IMO.

I have had 2 of the fake Regulars. I did a revew of one and that one was destroyed during materials testing. The other is now owed by CRK. Don't buy them, I felt daft enough forking out for the ones I got, but I did it so you don't have to. The review thread is still here for anyone to read it that wants to.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/925712-Pictures-of-fake-Large-Regular-Sebenza

As for China if you haven't spent time there or tried to run/do business there it's best just not to say anything about it. It is a very different place to the west in many, many ways, but yes there are snakes in the grass in any country, it's just closer to the norm here.

Yes, yes, quite.......

Can we not do this here? There is a place for your drama and you very well know where it is. I have every right to post my opinion anywhere I have access even if that means 100% of the people disagree with it. You could simply ignore it but you choose to make an issue of it. The only thing YOUR post adds is drama. You and your friends will hopefully learn sooner than later that it would be best to simply ignore me if you don't want to read my opinions. Because every time you pass up the option to do so, your only affirming what everyone knows, that you like the drama and it's a source of entertainment for you. I would say that you having over twice as many posts in whine and cheese vs. any other area of the forum pretty much confirms that. So please, keep your whining where it belongs.

 

[Luis G.]

You have already tried this one a few pages back, try and remember what you're posting here and keep the silly attempts at trolling to your slef, Luis.

Whoops. My apologies there, didn't mean to do a double post.

It's pretty obvious you enjoy conflict, and getting a rise out of people when you could very easily ignore someone like PurpleDC. Nope instead you stay here making claims of immorality, judge of character, etc.. Lastly anyone with a grasp of the English language absent mind of bias and bigotry can understand what PurpleDC is saying (albeit sometimes even I question what he says), and it sure isn't what you are trying to jam down his throat.

Anyways unsubbed from this thread, it went no where pretty fast.

 

[Fooj]

This thread served it's useful purpose long ago, and has degraded into uselessness . . . closing.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Moved to FEEDBACK, where it could have been all along.