-
All For Sale threads must have a pic showing the knife being sold with written date listed, your username & Bladeforums or BFC to prevent photo harvesting from elsewhere - scammers hate this one trick! The rules for The Exchange can be found here. Please read and follow them. Stop using Paypal Friends & Family and follow our best practices to prevent getting ripped off or having a bad deal.
-
The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.
Kevin John knock offs
- Thread starter Fooj
- Start date
- Status
The fake 21s we keep seeing are nothing like as close to the real knife as those Regulars are. I haven't seen a review like the one I did for those knives but I would also say it's not needed as they are pretty easy to spot, even in pics. 
The fake 21s we keep seeing are nothing like as close to the real knife as those Regulars are. I haven't seen a review like the one I did for those knives but I would also say it's not needed as they are pretty easy to spot, even in pics.
I've seen 3 variations of the fake Sebenza 21 so far. 2 seem to be the prevalent (one is cheap and stupidly obvious, the other starts at like almost $100 and seems to be harder to spot), the 3rd doesnt seem to be used as much anymore as I haven't seen it.
I believe the fake Regulars I had were made by a different company/person than the fake 21s. There are also pretty much exact copies made by a Chinese custom maker but I have only ever seen pics of those knives and don't know if he still makes them. I also know that he justified them by never selling to the western market and that is perhaps why we don't see them here. I will have non of that though and still see it as a very poor show indeed.....I don't care what the "climate" is in China making a blatant copy is bad patter at best.
I personally know a lage knife dealer in mainland China so am able to get word from the horses mouth so to speak. I know I perhaps sound harsh when talking about the Chinese and it can be hard not to sound like one is painting the whole country with the same brush, but if you're in the way you get painted.
I personally know a lage knife dealer in mainland China so am able to get word from the horses mouth so to speak. I know I perhaps sound harsh when talking about the Chinese and it can be hard not to sound like one is painting the whole country with the same brush, but if you're in the way you get painted.
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2011
- Messages
- 1,945
Is that a knock off of a 0777 or a Matrix?Look what KJ is making a knock off of now.... at least this doesn't have ZT logos all over it. I don't support these china fakes, but this is interesting.
sorry couldn't resist.I believe the fake Regulars I had were made by a different company/person than the fake 21s. There are also pretty much exact copies made by a Chinese custom maker but I have only ever seen pics of those knives and don't know if he still makes them. I also know that he justified them by never selling to the western market and that is perhaps why we don't see them here. I will have non of that though and still see it as a very poor show indeed.....I don't care what the "climate" is in China making a blatant copy is bad patter at best.
I personally know a lage knife dealer in mainland China so am able to get word from the horses mouth so to speak. I know I perhaps sound harsh when talking about the Chinese and it can be hard not to sound like one is painting the whole country with the same brush, but if you're in the way you get painted.
Nevermind forgot you already had a comparison thread.
Yeah, but at least he doesn't put the original brand names on it like some Chinese counterfeiters do. Apparently there is a market for them. Just as there is a market for the ridiculous overpriced XM's on the secondary market which makes me equally sick. Kevin John also makes a Wharncliffe XM knock-off, which would cost around 2500 USD on the secondary rip-off 'there is a market for it' market. At least these are cheap in price: Microtech copies a ZT knife and still asks big money for it too.
[video=youtube;-aWCS1GHrvQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aWCS1GHrvQ[/video]
Last edited by a moderator:
Actually there are knives out there under the Kevin John banner, bearing fake branding.
That ripoff thing you posted may not have Hinderers name on it but it still violates Rick Hinderers patent on the LBS. Still very much theft and you justify it because you don't like secondary pricing.
Plus buying these, produced in the same factory alongside the branded items is still putting money in the hands of thieves.
That ripoff thing you posted may not have Hinderers name on it but it still violates Rick Hinderers patent on the LBS. Still very much theft and you justify it because you don't like secondary pricing.
Plus buying these, produced in the same factory alongside the branded items is still putting money in the hands of thieves.
Chris should find Kevin John and show him how well a real CRK cuts and punctures .
But really, all we can do is educate people. I feel bad for the people who think they're getting a real CRK only to find out later that it's fake.
.But really, all we can do is educate people. I feel bad for the people who think they're getting a real CRK only to find out later that it's fake.
Murray Rothbard argues for allowing contractually arising infinite copyright terms and against the need for any government role in protecting intellectual property. He states that government's involvement in defining arbitrary limits on the duration, scope, etc. of intellectual property in order to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" is inherently problematic, since "By what standard do you judge that research expenditures are 'too much,' 'too little,' or just about enough?" He argues that intellectual property laws can actually hinder innovation, since competitors can be indefinitely discouraged from further research expenditures in the general area covered by the patent because the courts may hold their improvements as infringements on the previous patent, and the patent holder is discouraged from engaging in further research in this field because the privilege discourages his improvement of his invention for the entire period of the patent, with the assurance that no competitor can trespass on his domain.*
That argument is garbage. What would hinder innovation is knowing that after you spend hundreds, thousands, or millions of dollars on research and development that anyone can take your hard work and sell it without the need to recoup the costs of innovation.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jun 16, 2003
- Messages
- 20,207
His site is selling knives that look like Spyderco products and have the trademark hole. It is probably a felony under federal law to import such products into the U.S. since they bear a counterfeit trademark.
This company is scum.
This company is scum.
Absolute nonsense, the ideas put forward in your post are there to limit things like the poaching of cutting edge research and/or the discovery of new techniques in science and tech, to give one example of it's intended implementation. It has nothing to do with the copying of produced items that have been in the market for literally decades. Please tell us how these fakes help stop a monopaly, keeps a free market inplace and keep the innovation ball rolling ? That is what you're trying to say by using this Rothbard quote I presume ?
Hi...I am from Taiwan.Well...I owned a real large Sebenza and a Ti-lock. It is not that difficult to get one if you know where to find it. And for K.John...I had own one his Ti-Lock(Sold) Its quality is really near the real one. Which mean he have that skill! He have the skill to produce high quality knife. And I had heard that he is working on his own-design model. I believe a man who have that kind of skill wont just want to be a copy cat. Waiting to see his own stuff.
There is no "He" there is no knife maker - these are from a counterfeiting factory/workshop and being put out under that branding. There is no skill in thieving someone else's hard work, brand, IP, patents etc.
I see that you have just joined the forum and this is your very first post which happens to fall here with the same message other spammers have been putting forward, I sure hope your intentions are honest here but I suspect otherwise.
"his" so called last "original knife" put forward on the forum by a counterfeiting spammer turned out to be an almost exact copy of a custom knife makers hard work.
Where are you from in Taiwan ? In the North or south ?
As stated by Jay there is no "he" or skill to this. It's a machine shop that just has the equipment to produce the products we see. Show me one of "Kevin Johns" hand made fixed blades or folders that "he" really did design and we can talk about skill, LOLZ
... These knives produced on CNC machines, totally mapped from a computer do not take any knife making or knife design skill what so ever. Neither does just stealing someone elses design though.
I ask you not come here and sing the prases of people like that. Especially in this forum given CRK is one the people being ripped off by these detestable people. People skilled at doing nothing but trying to ride other mens coat tails by copying their knives. It is just pathetic, it really is. :thumbdn:
As stated by Jay there is no "he" or skill to this. It's a machine shop that just has the equipment to produce the products we see. Show me one of "Kevin Johns" hand made fixed blades or folders that "he" really did design and we can talk about skill, LOLZ
... These knives produced on CNC machines, totally mapped from a computer do not take any knife making or knife design skill what so ever. Neither does just stealing someone elses design though.I ask you not come here and sing the prases of people like that. Especially in this forum given CRK is one the people being ripped off by these detestable people. People skilled at doing nothing but trying to ride other mens coat tails by copying their knives. It is just pathetic, it really is. :thumbdn:
Where are you from in Taiwan ? In the North or south ?
As stated by Jay there is no "he" or skill to this. It's a machine shop that just has the equipment to produce the products we see. Show me one of "Kevin Johns" hand made fixed blades or folders that "he" really did design and we can talk about skill, LOLZ
I ask you not come here and sing the prases of people like that. Especially in this forum given CRK is one the people being ripped off by these detestable people. People skilled at doing nothing but trying to ride other mens coat tails by copying their knives. It is just pathetic, it really is. :thumbdn:
Agree for the most part, except the part about CNC's being easy. Definitely not.
lots of misinformation in this thread. A couple corrections whether you find various replicas moral or ethical aside
1. No one really knows if Kevin John is a real person. I have asked numerous sources and I get conflicting responses. One thing is for sure though that Kevin John knives dont use logos or company names other than K. John, Kevin john etc. If the knife has any other logo attached to it other than relating to kevin john or triumph precision then it is probably a wild boar knife.
2. Kevin john knives, A Dai knives and Wild boar knives are all made by different groups of people. Wild boar is responsible for the lower quality replicas and many have tolerance issues.
3. No one really knows how many people are involved in the manufacture of kevin john and wild boar knives. I know in the case of A Dai it is two people making the knives on hand operated lathes and milling machines. Supposedly they have stopped producing the 0777 replica. The newer replicas of the 0777 are now made by those responsible for the wild boar knives and construction and materials are different.
4. The site responsible for most of these items being sold in the USA is not a reliable source in which to get your information. In other words if you see a seller selling a knife with the hinderer logo on it and they are selling it as a Kevin john that doesnt mean you have proof that the kevin john knives are using company logos. The only thing it means is that one of the sellers in china is trying to sell one of their counterfeits by using the K. john name because they are the better made replicas. You have to remember many of these products are made dishonestly so they will call them something other than they are if they think it will help sell the item.
5. On the forum a few people have brought up the extremely high prices they are finding these knives for and dont understand why the chinese think anyone would be so stupid as to pay that much for a fake. And your correct. It is a very high price. And its a deceptive listing practice but not for the reason you think. When you see one of these knives for a ridiculously high price its because its out of stock and they are raising the price to prevent people from buying the item. They do this so they dont have to pay to relist the item. Its similar to those who use extremely high prices on ebay to generate interest.
6. Ethics and morals aside to say that those responsible for these knives have no talent is a little misleading even if you have nothing but hate for them. Because if these groups in china are talentless and have no skills then this rule would apply to USA produced production facilities and any knife production facility. We forget that most workers in knife factories are not designers. Their job is to replicate approved prototypes. They didnt design anything. Their job is to produce it. But I wouldnt call them talentless. I totally understand peoples gripes with these products. It is warranted in the majority of the cases. But if your going to attack them attack them for the right reasons which is morals and ethics.
1. No one really knows if Kevin John is a real person. I have asked numerous sources and I get conflicting responses. One thing is for sure though that Kevin John knives dont use logos or company names other than K. John, Kevin john etc. If the knife has any other logo attached to it other than relating to kevin john or triumph precision then it is probably a wild boar knife.
2. Kevin john knives, A Dai knives and Wild boar knives are all made by different groups of people. Wild boar is responsible for the lower quality replicas and many have tolerance issues.
3. No one really knows how many people are involved in the manufacture of kevin john and wild boar knives. I know in the case of A Dai it is two people making the knives on hand operated lathes and milling machines. Supposedly they have stopped producing the 0777 replica. The newer replicas of the 0777 are now made by those responsible for the wild boar knives and construction and materials are different.
4. The site responsible for most of these items being sold in the USA is not a reliable source in which to get your information. In other words if you see a seller selling a knife with the hinderer logo on it and they are selling it as a Kevin john that doesnt mean you have proof that the kevin john knives are using company logos. The only thing it means is that one of the sellers in china is trying to sell one of their counterfeits by using the K. john name because they are the better made replicas. You have to remember many of these products are made dishonestly so they will call them something other than they are if they think it will help sell the item.
5. On the forum a few people have brought up the extremely high prices they are finding these knives for and dont understand why the chinese think anyone would be so stupid as to pay that much for a fake. And your correct. It is a very high price. And its a deceptive listing practice but not for the reason you think. When you see one of these knives for a ridiculously high price its because its out of stock and they are raising the price to prevent people from buying the item. They do this so they dont have to pay to relist the item. Its similar to those who use extremely high prices on ebay to generate interest.
6. Ethics and morals aside to say that those responsible for these knives have no talent is a little misleading even if you have nothing but hate for them. Because if these groups in china are talentless and have no skills then this rule would apply to USA produced production facilities and any knife production facility. We forget that most workers in knife factories are not designers. Their job is to replicate approved prototypes. They didnt design anything. Their job is to produce it. But I wouldnt call them talentless. I totally understand peoples gripes with these products. It is warranted in the majority of the cases. But if your going to attack them attack them for the right reasons which is morals and ethics.
- Status