Kevin John - Triumph precision XM18, small 3 inches, spanto MANY PHOTOS

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I was curious to prove the higher end chinese manufacture and this knife also was a nice opportunity to prove the XM18 without breaking the bank, so...

There are several reviews on youtube about this knife, also an edge retention test by russians (some of the coolest, most useful test-reviews are made by Russians;):thumbup:) , I suggest to check them if you are interested about this company and their knives.
There are several levels of quality in chinese knives and Kevin John - Triumph precision is at the highest level-best quality and still good value.

Packaging:

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The knife arrives in a nice opening box with a nice stamped useful cloth.
I have made the lanyard.

You can also check my super cool, self made disassembly tool:D

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I just modded a flat bit, for the female pivot pin.


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The quality of hardware and machining is top level: all the screws (1.5mm metric for the standoffs) are heat treated and the treading is perfectly executed, crappy screws are comon in chinese knives, but this XM18 has high quality stuff, on par with american-european knives (even better than many).
There are no relevant machining signs on the handles, everything is perfectly assembled: no bladeplay, perfect centering of the blade, good detent hole-blade retention.
Material for the handles and clip is titanium, confirmed with a magnet.
The only little exception is the finish of the bronze washers: it's raw, you can see the scratches on the washers; the washers are perfectly cut and drilled and in general high quality but they need a polishing.
After the picture I polished them on my Fallkniven D4 stone, ceramic 6000 grit and in 10 minutes max they had a mirror polish, without removing material.
With the polished bronze washers and a little bit of Ballistol (best oil for knives and firearms IMO) the knife has a far superior action, it's "smooth like glass", with the pivot tight.
I consider the bronze washers way superior to the teflon-nylon-plastic ones, I am also a balisong guy and with time the plastic washers get ovalized, loose thicknes, in general they are more fragile; on the other hand the bronze ones last forever and with minimal break in and minimal lubrication they are super smooth.
I have reassembled the knife with a very little quantity of blue Loctite tread locker (best friend of knife knuts and shooters:D), stay away from stronger products and don't overtight.

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You can see that the stop pin for the blade has a hole machined in the opposite hanlde, so it's fully supported, really nice.

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LOCK:
the face of the lock on the blade is perfectly machined, the lock up is about 50% consistent (even after disassembly).
I have tested the lock with the "STR method", with the open knife you apply pressure with your hands (keeping fingers free of the travel of the blade, SAFETY FIRST!!!) and the lock must not move at all, if it moves is a fail, if the knife closes is an epic fail.
The knife passed the lock test completely, the frame does not move: tested several times and it always remain solid and it is never sticky to disengage.
It has the over travel stop.
So the lock is perfect it's on par with the best frame locks from US (ex ZTs, Spydercos, BMs...), huge :thumbup:

I will ad that I prefer 100% steel frame locks over titanium, that IMO is used primarily for "cool factor", and I don't consider frame-locks as sturdy and reliable as a front-lock (ex Spydercos) or even better a Triad lock (best on the market!) by Cold Steel; but these are only my personal opinions, also I don't buy-trust liner-locks.

Blade retention by the detent is good, I will say a medium level, for my tastes I will prefer a slightly stronger detent, but in general the detent works really well.

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Fit & finish:
Superb!!!
The blu finish on the titanium is beatiful and they polished the borders of the hanldes to make a nice contrast; there are no imperfections of any kind in handles or the blade, that is perfectly grinded.

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Logos are: titanium and Kevin John, so they not used the Hinderer name or logo, that's a good thing.

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The tumb stud is the best that I ever proven, it's big and rounded, without sharp edges so it's extremely efective and most important confortable.

Now a small edge retention test:

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I cut completely a cardboard box, checking periodically the edge with newspaper gunmagazine (pushcutting), the carboard cutting was done with a slicing action with a 45° angle on the cardboard fibers to maximize wear on the edge.
The edge was most factory (on par with ZTs or CS), I just refined it quickly with my DC4 and strop (less toothy).

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From the russian test on youtube I have allready see that the KJ XM18 is a solid performer and I can confirm it from my own experience: the knife cut really well and retained most of its edge.
After the cardboard slicing, I push cut some leather and cord (without sharpening of course) with no problem, the knive has lost the ability to shave hair (shaved only a little bit), but it push cuts leather and cord easily.
I Like a lot the spanto blade, it cuts well with the hollow ground sides and the reinforced tip is nice, the knife is also produced with the slicer grind, but I admit that I prefer the spanto also for being "different-unique".

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At the end of the little test I though about resharpening the knife on my Norton water stone 4000-8000 also to bring out the full potential of the blade, but since it lost so little sharpness I just sharpened on my DC4 and strop and in 10-15 minutes it was hair popping, the Sandvik 12C27 sharpens really easy, quickly and reacted really well with very fine abrasives (I like highly polished edges).
IMO wondersteels are not a necessity, I am not a steel snob, they are nice when properly heat treated and not overpriced, but I also enjoy good steels, not hyped but perfectly functional like in this case.
Simply: Sandvik 12C27 + KJ heat treat :thumbup:

Some comparison pics:

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(with some original knives of my knife "user-active" collection)

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Here with one of my favourite knife the ZT566 (IMO the best ZT ever! especialy without the speedsafe, deassised).
Mr Rick Hinderer is one of the best knife designer of modern times, his knives are super ergonomic and nice to use.


The KJ XM18 small, is a confortable little cutting knife, the choil in the blade is functional and useful (even if I prefer a full blade without it, but I like to prove different stuff), I have medium hands and it gives me enough support for the pinky, even better with my little lanyard.

PROs:
-excellent fit and finish, realy top notch!
-Sandvik 12C27 + KJ heat treat = happy user!
-reliable lock
-bronze washers (I hate teflon ones)
-high quality screws and pins
-good detent, medium level blade retention (IMO it would be even better a little bit stronger)
-the jimping on the handles is very confortable and well done, no sharp edges on the handles
-great action with polished washers
-Titanium and KJ logos
-Spanto blade is functional and original/cool, it's produced also in the slicer configuration and I also saw some specials...
-super cost effective, the closest rival in US imo are ZTs (especialy the 566, my "loved minimalist":D)

CONs:
-the washers need polishing (it' s easy)
-some little sharp edges in the flipper zone, on the blade (being super picky, easily fixed with fine sand paper)

Conclusion:
I consider this knife a "Chinese jewel", I like it a lot, I know that it's not a real XM18 (that probably is awesome, if you can buy it) but everyone can judge and choose what they want, making an educated decision.
Be aware that there are several manufactures in China, that produce versions of the XM18 and there are different levels of quality.
 
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In before you are burned at the stake. I would get your flame proof jacket on. 3......2......1....
 
You put a lot of effort into this review, but its still a fake. No matter how well it might be made. Gets a thumbs down from me :thumbdn:
The maker of this knife should produce his own designs and not steal other peoples work :thumbdn:

Oh and eff aliexpress. With a fake XM-18 preferrably
 
You do realize you're on a knife enthusiast forum and aren't going to get a warm reception to this total rip-off of a Hinderer. :grumpy:
If you want an XM-18 but can't afford one, then buy a ZT-0562 or 566. :thumbup:
 
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I'll pile the wood for the fire.



Absolutely.
Blatant rip-off through and through.

To be honest I actually dont have a problem with it. I was merely pointing out that it was about to get hot in here. Regardless of my views, the forum and those that run it have spoken and its very clear that its not welcome to promote such knives. And while I may not agree I do think we all have a responsibility to do our best to honor the wishes of the majority on this one. And the ONLY reason I am even saying this is because I could see someone reading my previous post and think I am being a hypocrite.
 
You do realize you're on a knife enthusiast form and aren't going to get a warm reception to this total rip-off of a Hinderer. :grumpy:
If you want an XM-18 but can't afford one, then buy a ZT-0562 or 566. :thumbup:

The 566 in the photo is mine, all the knives in the photos are mine...

An example to explain my view, in general:
I have an original Sebenza by CRK (the eyes version, in the picture), I like a lot it, it's one of my favourite knives but I will never attack someone who bought a clone version of it... nor I will feel offended in any way...
There are several guys who also own the real knives and the clones, they find interesting to spot all the little difference between the two, others use the clones and keep the originals as safe quens, others have these clones, but magicaly it is of some friend.
I understand the controversy, but I objectively reviewed the knife, that IMO is really good; if you don' t like it, just don' t buy it...
 
To be honest I actually dont have a problem with it. I was merely pointing out that it was about to get hot in here. Regardless of my views, the forum and those that run it have spoken and its very clear that its not welcome to promote such knives. And while I may not agree I do think we all have a responsibility to do our best to honor the wishes of the majority on this one. And the ONLY reason I am even saying this is because I could see someone reading my previous post and think I am being a hypocrite.

I figured where you were coming from in that post. ;)

My view is that there are plenty of decently priced knives from many companies that aren't ripping anyone off, not even slightly.
So it sure isn't a case of "I don't have the money, so I had to buy a rip-off knife"...since there are plenty of original designs going for the same price--or less--than some of these design thefts.

If someone buys a $10 knife that's an original design, I ain't gonna look down on them.
 
The 566 in the photo is mine, all the knives in the photos are mine...

An example to explain my view, in general:
I have an original Sebenza by CRK (the eyes version, in the picture), I like a lot it, it's one of my favourite knives but I will never attack someone who bought a clone version of it... nor I will feel offended in any way...
There are several guys who also own the real knives and the clones, they find interesting to spot all the little difference between the two, others use the clones and keep the originals as safe quens, others have these clones, but magicaly it is of some friend.
I understand the controversy, but I objectively reviewed the knife, that IMO is really good; if you don' t like it, just don' t buy it...

felix7. Let me say that I understand. I too share your perspective. But... and this is a big but. Its simply not welcome here. They go to great lengths on this forum to reduce the promotion of these knives. And believe it or not a completely objective review of this type of knife is going to be looked at as promotion. Why? because you are in no way expressing discontent with it being a replica. Now, I can admit my reasons for buying such items are completely and totally self centered self serving selfishness. Its a whole lot of self. But no matter how many self serving decisions you or I make in regards to this hobby there is one you may be overlooking. And that is self preservation. To be part of an online community you take the good with the bad. The bad to them is I am a member. The bad to me is I dont get to share what I like with others for obvious reasons. But I feel this community and the ability to participate in it is worth a little compromise on my wants. And if you want to be part of this community long term you may want to be more mindful of what you share. There are places to share these things. This is simply not that place no matter how either of us feel. I am not trying to tell you what to do. Its your choice. I am just trying give friendly advice from someone who as been there.
 
:thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn: I would never buy a rip-off of anyone's intellectual property. Never. Even if it was just out of 'curiosity'. By doing so, you are supporting piracy, which is a crime.
 
The 566 in the photo is mine, all the knives in the photos are mine...

An example to explain my view, in general:
I have an original Sebenza by CRK (the eyes version, in the picture), I like a lot it, it's one of my favourite knives but I will never attack someone who bought a clone version of it... nor I will feel offended in any way...
There are several guys who also own the real knives and the clones, they find interesting to spot all the little difference between the two, others use the clones and keep the originals as safe quens, others have these clones, but magicaly it is of some friend.
I understand the controversy, but I objectively reviewed the knife, that IMO is really good; if you don' t like it, just don' t buy it...

Oh don't worry I won't buy one. You can rationalize it any way you want, the bottom line is you are supporting a thief and promoting their products.
How would YOU like it, if YOU spent months or years of YOUR time developing a knife design and someone stole the design?!??

These people need to develop their OWN designs.
 
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I would normally have not noticed this because I do not frequent this sub-forum but a Member and true Knife Enthusiast with more class than this threads Op sent me a PM.
Anyone who would take the time to do a review of a Fake knife which is a cheap copy and ripoff of a Man's work - should consider spending their time actually creating something useful and original that they can put their own name on.
That endeavor would actually entail taking risk, having a mind capable of real creativity and the skill to actually "make" something.
The Op obviously knew better than to attempt this in the RHK forum, this thread has been reported and I trust that it will be viewed as an afront to a well respected sponsoring Knife Maker and pinnacle of integrity within the knife community.

Shame on anyone who would patronize such crap. I detest Fakers, much like liars, cheats and Thieves - they rob the very essence of what makes us great.
Sad to see threads like this, truly sad.
 
Considering that it's not a total counterfeit, I don't see why the review shouldn't stand. You may not like it, but it's not an illegal knife or a knife produced with the intention to deceive buyers. Distasteful? Yeah. Illegal? No.

Not everyone has the money to drop on a 500 dollar knife. At least the manufacturer clearly engraved the knife to show its not a hinderer and that's it's only saving grace. That's a step in the right direction for the chinese.
 
And those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. A well known and respected knife company that Hinderer has worked quite a bit with had stolen several designs and ripped off innovators themselves.
 
Considering that it's not a total counterfeit, I don't see why the review shouldn't stand. You may not like it, but it's not an illegal knife or a knife produced with the intention to deceive buyers. Distasteful? Yeah. Illegal? No.

It's about as original as it someone took the entire text of my book, then changed the title to Crabman: Diary of a Superhero/Psycho.

I mean, that's totally original, right, they changed Stabman to Crabman.
Totally different!
 
The interesting thing for me is it's looks like they actually did a good job in making the knife.

That said I don't generally agree with copying designs even though most makers actually do borrow ideas from each other in the end and that's well known.

I wouldn't buy one just because I don't like the design, this or a Hinderer.
 
The "Point" is...... Nobody in this community (or any other) should Buy, Review, Publish links or anything else publisizing Copies, Rip-offs, stolen intellectual property of a designer. Period.
To not grasp that concept is mind boggling and shows me the schism that exists between people who are opportunistic and self serving and the ones who actually go out on a limb and risk everything to CREATE something.
It is irrelevant whether one "likes" it or the original.
What is relevant IS someone is profiting from the sweat of another Man's brow...... Get it?

Why does this even need to be explained?
 
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