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[noss4]

GigOne: If someone is going to tell me they can do it better. I'm going to call them out on it.

David says he knows how it is supposed to be done. So he should do it if he has all the answers.

 

[ehhh]

The following is from the front page of his web site. The highlighted areas clearly show noss' beliefs. . . .

One could argue that the wording he chose was used to attract people to his web site and to validate him as a knife tester. If that's true, then he's done nothing more than fall into the same "marketing tactics" he claims knife manufacturers are employing. I'm sure that noss and several of his fan-boys will claim different.

Guess I didn't read that part of his site (like I said, I'm not him, and I was wrong). So he does believe manufacturers release biased info, would you disagree with that? I certainly wouldn't disagree that a manufacturer would do it's best not to release anything bad about itself. Some manufacturers use more hype than others, but I don't think I've ever seen a company say one of it's knives is a poor choice.

I don't consider myself a fan-boy, because I think he has plenty of room for improvement as well. I just think it's really stupid to see all these personal attacks and "why don't you do this, because what you're doing now is retarded?" Really not the most positive criticism there. I think he could improve his methods by standardizing them across all tests, but you don't see me telling him he's an idiot. I think his spelling could use some work, but again, you don't see me making fun of his errors. I think he's a little paranoid, but I don't call him names.

A lot of the "haters" are simply discouraging any new testing by other forumites, and possibly noss4 (though he simply doesn't seem to care). Who wants to try to do something for the benefit of the community when everyone might just laugh at them? Established members might not care, but new members are always susceptible to ridicule.

I think noss is doing some good things and doing some things wrong, but in my opinion the "haters" are just bringing the entire community down. Criticize all you want, but I think the manner in which a lot of people do it is just uncalled for. I don't particularly agree with the way he responds to some of the posters either.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[noss4]

ehhh: I value constructive criticism. I have made many improvements because of this. Most knives I have tested and are going to test have come at the requests of forum members and emails.

 

[ehhh]

ehhh: I value constructive criticism. I have made many improvements because of this. Most knives I have tested and are going to test have come at the requests of forum members and emails.

That's good. I think your testing is pretty innovative (though not completely new) and could start a wave of more video testers. I really hope it does, because seeing the action gives me a better feel for what has been done, what happened, etc., rather than just words and pictures. I don't necessarily have to believe what the tester says/writes either, because I can just watch it myself and draw my own conclusions.

 

[darkestthicket]

OHHHH THATS (explative deleted) HYSTERICAL!

 

[jakeyjake4528]

there you go with that jealousy stuff ........please tell us why anybody would be jealous of noss.

it was more of a guess, and i dont know. people like you constantly flame noss for everything he is doing, without any apparent good reason. sure, you disagree with him, so why not do something more then flame him? set up your own site, do the tests you deem right, all you are going to accomplish by what youre doing(like that thread you made all about noss)is to give him more exposure.

 

[GigOne]

GigOne: If someone is going to tell me they can do it better. I'm going to call them out on it.

Delusions of grandeur !

Guess I didn't read that part of his site (like I said, I'm not him, and I was wrong). So he does believe manufacturers release biased info, would you disagree with that? I certainly wouldn't disagree that a manufacturer would do it's best not to release anything bad about itself.

I can't imagine how someone could miss or overlook a front page statement as bold as that one ! And noss and his "fan boys" wonder why he's not taken seriously ! Hell, that doesn't even take into account the numerous grammatical errors and mind-numbing, lackluster, looney tune vids !.

First, blanket statements, for example, "manufacturers release biased info," are nothing more than vague and noncommittal statements asserting a premise without providing evidence.

Second, the blanket statements you and noss prescribe to and so readily apply. . . .imply dishonesty and points a huge finger at businesses that employ and adhere to legal, economic, and philanthropic responsibilities, as well as ethical and moral principles and commitment to integrity.

While there are plenty of examples of negative business activities (in the business world in general), I've yet to see evidence provided to substantiate the claims you two have levied.

To do so, one would have to make a strategic management assessment of a particular company. One must also look very closely at their marketing strategies and practices, quality program(s), and product evaluation methods, to name a few. If not, all you're providing is lip service. Talk about tainting our community and giving it a black eye. :jerkit:

Some manufacturers use more hype than others, but I don't think I've ever seen a company say one of it's knives is a poor choice.

It's evident that you know little about marketing. Define "hype" and provide an example.

I think your testing is pretty innovative. . . . .

Based on your thoughts on what's "innovative". . . . .DO NOT define "hype" or provide an example of such. A fan boy response, isn't what I'm looking for.

 

[JimConvex]

Mr. Noss,

Have you yet Figured out what so many of these folks are irked about?

It's Very Simple.

You might give it some thought.

Thanks,

Jim.

 

[noss4]

Mr. Noss,

Have you yet Figured out what so many of these folks are irked about?

It's Very Simple.

You might give it some thought.

Thanks,

Jim.

There are always haters on every forum. They flock to it like sharks that smell blood.

 

[Guyon]

There are always haters on every forum. They flock to it like a shark who smells blood.

If this type of reaction has been your experience on every forum, you might ask yourself why such a pattern is emerging.

 

[JimConvex]

Instead of blowing off what I said--You might want to give it some thought.

It's not because they smell blood or are Haters.

You really might want to think about it.

Thanks,

Jim

 

[roughedges]

I figure asking a guy like Noss, given all past indications, to think about much of anything is a lot like asking a preschooler to solve differential equations.

Except that a preschooler at least has a valid excuse for the nonsense replies he might give.

 

[noss4]

If this type of reaction has been your experience on every forum, you might ask yourself why such a pattern is emerging.

All forums have a gang that prowls. This is the only forum I participate in.

You guys don't like what I do but you never do anything yourself. If you would
spend a little less time in here bashing me. You may accomplish something.

 

[noss4]

I have a Cold Steel bushman Spear test to do tonight so hack away my fellow keyboard warriors.

 

[Peter_E_Ryt]

Just what exactly are you accomplishing Noss4? I accomplish plenty without wrecking knives and calling it "testing."

 

[roughedges]

He is acting out, desperate for attention, in what is probably the only medium in which people will give him any, positive or otherwise.

The internet, gotta love it. A soapbox for every whacko.

 

[hardheart]

wow, irony

 

[ehhh]

Delusions of grandeur !

I can't imagine how someone could miss or overlook a front page statement as bold as that one ! And noss and his "fan boys" wonder why he's not taken seriously ! Hell, that doesn't even take into account the numerous grammatical errors and mind-numbing, lackluster, looney tune vids !.

First, blanket statements, for example, "manufacturers release biased info," are nothing more than vague and noncommittal statements asserting a premise without providing evidence.

Second, the blanket statements you and noss prescribe to and so readily apply. . . .imply dishonesty and points a huge finger at businesses that employ and adhere to legal, economic, and philanthropic responsibilities, as well as ethical and moral principles and commitment to integrity.

While there are plenty of examples of negative business activities (in the business world in general), I've yet to see evidence provided to substantiate the claims you two have levied.

To do so, one would have to make a strategic management assessment of a particular company. One must also look very closely at their marketing strategies and practices, quality program(s), and product evaluation methods, to name a few. If not, all you're providing is lip service. Talk about tainting our community and giving it a black eye. :jerkit:




It's evident that you know little about marketing. Define "hype" and provide an example.

Based on your thoughts on what's "innovative". . . . .DO NOT define "hype" or provide an example of such. A fan boy response, isn't what I'm looking for.

Perhaps I should have reworded that sentence. I didn't mean to agree that they're releasing biased info, but I do agree that they won't release anything that will do themselves harm (this is just my personal experience having never seen any company say "our product isn't very good"). My mistake, really. As for missing the text, I just went to his site and watched his videos. I didn't really bother reading the text because that's not really what I went there for. I haven't been there since the Strider test anyways, so it's not like I would have remembered it very well. Next time I'll be sure to take a look at all his content and I'll be sure to take notes :thumbup:

I agree, I imagine it would be hard for most people to take him seriously. But, I go to his site to watch the knives, not him. I could care less what he wears or what he says.

By hype I mean when a company puts their product on a pedestal and praises it. A good example might be Cold Steel. By innovative I mean videotaping the test. Whether or not the person destroys the knife isn't really important to me. I think it's good to have a test video taped simply because I like the visuals.

Attack me all you want, call me a "fanboy," it doesn't really matter to me. Yes, I do enjoy watching his videos. No I don't agree with everything, but there aren't many other videos of knife testing out there. There are a few, but the ones I've seen don't involve much action and are much shorter.

 

[GigOne]

. . . . .but I do agree that they won't release anything that will do themselves harm (this is just my personal experience having never seen any company say "our product isn't very good").

I find it amazing that you've never heard of manufacturers or companies "recalling" their products. While they don't specifically use your descriptive, "our product isn't very good," a recall, nonetheless, pretty much spells it out.

And yes, there have been knife manufacturers announce problems with their product(s).

By hype I mean when a company puts their product on a pedestal and praises it.

This is the exactly why I asked you not to define "hype." By your broad definition, practically every entrepreneur and company on the face of this globe is guilty of producing "hype." Again, you have no concept of marketing or for what you speak.

By innovative I mean videotaping the test.

Videotaping his so called tests is not innovative or innovation. Maybe it's "new" to you, but it DOES NOT qualify as being innovative. It's funny that you bring up Cold Steel. . . .they've been producing videotapes showing the cutting ability of their knives and swords for years.

. . . . .I just went to his site and watched his videos. I didn't really bother reading the text because that's not really what I went there for.

With the discovery of the Internet and the technological "innovations" that surrounded its development, we've experienced an information explosion. The improved access to information creates a greater need to evaluate what's available to us. You claim to be a college student, I assume that you've heard of, at least once, evaluating information sources. With the amount of information available, every source should be weighed using some criteria. It's typically entails evaluating information based on timeliness, authority, reliability, credibility, objectivity, and scope. Some years ago George Orwell wrote, "Until one has some kind of professional relationship with books one does not discover how bad the majority of them are." Rather extreme, but it's useful in showing people's tendency to accept as fact anything that is published, whether in a book, magazine, or on the Internet. From a personal perspective, evaluating information is especially needed on the Internet, where information is often unorganized, presented without any indication of its source or quality, and any crackpot can post their ruminations. You'll find that it works just as well outside the academic setting. The good thing, it's not restricted to print.

. . . .the ones I've seen don't involve much action and are much shorter.

I see. . . .you prefer quantity over quality. Then you and noss will make a fine pair !

 

[ehhh]

I've heard of companies recalling products, but they are more or less forced to do that because the cost of repairs, lawsuits, etc. would be greater than the cost of simply recalling the product. I haven't really seen any company come out and say that their product is shoddy for no reason, though.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. By hype, I don't mean they simply advertise their product. I mean they exaggerate it a lot, like Cold Steel does. Hype could also be community driven, but in this case I'm talking about the manufacturer themselves. Sure I guess you could say every manufacturer "hypes" their product to an extent, but I'm really talking about over the top stuff. Some use it more than others, and I believe I'm correct in saying that. If you're a marketing expert, please inform me. My field isn't in marketing, though it could be applied to it.

I know Cold Steel has been making videos for a while now, but I feel it is innovative that an actual customer/3rd party (not the company itself) is making the video. Not many of these videos are readily available on the net.

Yes, as a college student I know I should be evaluating the source. I personally feel an unedited video is valid enough for these purposes. I'm not writing a paper, I'm not citing sources, I'm watching for leisure and to see what the knives can go through. I don't think I need to check the author's credibility here unless there is massive editing or off camera work.

I don't see how liking his videos implies I like quantity over quality, or what that has to do with anything. I think his videos are quality videos. The other videos I've seen simply show the knife and demonstrate opening and closing. Dialogue usually consisted of basic observations. Is that a high quality review? It's nice, but I don't think its very substantial. At least I can watch the knife do some work in noss' test, no matter how absurd it may be. Like they say: opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one.

If you want to dispute me, please tell me your opinions and set me straight. I'm very open to learning more. I don't think I've been clear enough with my explanations, but you've mainly been using ad hominem arguments. Unless you're going to actually give some useful input (like some examples, or your definitions) rather than attack me personally, I see no reason to continue this "discussion." If I want an internet battle, I'll load up a game and have fun at the same time.