Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[Guyon]

You know, the more I think about it, there are some religious considerations in this case.

 

[tomcrx]

You know, the more I think about it, there are some religious considerations in this case.

OMG Guyon has become a believer. Do I sense a CheaperThanDirt tanto in your future?

 

[Guyon]

Gator97 simply wore me down, and I am now steaming down the rails on the Noss Express.

tomcrx, you guessed right. I hated to buy from CTD after their post-election price inflations, but I had to have that tanto.

Also, I just got off the Home Depot website where I ordered myself a three-pound sledge hammer. :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

FWIW, I think I'm going to kill my Mora first though.

 

[Gator97]

No, I just want to see Walter hop to and get those numbers for us.

And as I see, once again you just choose to sit back(+ post a lot) and wait while someone else will do the job, to provide you the data, in which you are more interested, or should be, so later you can go on about scientific unscientific rants

Science? Religion? Didn't Gator97 learn anything from Carl Sagan's Contact?

Why do you have to wonder outside of the topics so often and so far anyway? It's real simple, if you are for science and scientific proof then you ought to have interest in obtaining one, to convince others, in which you are clearly interested.
Alternatively, if you just want them to take your word for it and follow you it's more like a religion or given the scope, perhaps a little cult

No need to drag Sagan into this, knowing you, few posts later you will post bunch of smiles and thumbs, and say the me or someone else compares Noss to Sagan.

...there are some religious considerations in this case.

Considering that you were trying to "save innocent souls(knife n00bs) from being corrupted by evil(Noss)" and the best evidence you provided was vague threats of corruption and eternal flames, along with very frequent mention of the word doom, sure thing. We do have a case of wanna be cult leader Now all you really need is a ritual and loyal cult members, lower ranking cultists that is, as far as I can tell, there's more than one high priest already in that cult.




P.S. Your last two posts could easily be combined into one. Just a hint And given your uncertainty about controlling the hammer to any degree, I am worried about your safety, and as a consequence scientific-ness of your test(s).

 

[theonew]

What a waste, all the testing that has been going on for years by individuals here, all the chopping and cutting tests I've seen, all the non-CATRA edge retention tests, all the accumulated "knowledge" of individuals sharing their experiences, all worth nothing since no one thought to measure how much force was involved or use strictly repeatable scientific methods, doh :grumpy: What a shame. I hope everyone here has learned their lesson. If it's not scientific, keep your mouth closed or you will be mocked. I'm off to examine a nefarious thread in the multi-tool subforum titled Strongest Pliers, I seem to recall seeing some very unscientific based conclusions in that thread

 

[Guyon]

Gator97 sure does like to write about me. If I didn't know better, I'd think he's taken a liking.

Shared knowledge is great. :thumbup:

However, I don't recall all those folks holding up some vague notion of toughness as the end-all-be-all.

 

[tomcrx]

tomcrx, you guessed right. I hated to buy from CTD after their post-election price inflations, but I had to have that tanto.

I know the first is the hardest. I ended up buying four for camping. I use them as tent stakes because they hold up to the hammering better than the ones that came with my tent :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

Allow me to introduce you to the MSR Ground Hog. I gave them five Thumbs of Doom. Especially after I beat on them with a hammer.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

 

[theonew]

Hang on folks, just got back from checking out that thread and it's a lot worse than I recalled.

Check this out, absolutely no scientific data, frankly it's appalling

i watched nutnfancy's review on youtube of one along with a supertool 300, and while he also really liked the victorinox, he did a nail cutting test, and the victorinox pliers had a little harder time than the st300, i'd also recommend staying away from gerber, however i've heard that sog pliers have are pretty strong as well, so i'd go either sog or st300 if plier strength is your main concern.

the sog powerlock tool has the strongest pliers and cut wire the best from what i have seen. I own and use the swisstool, supertool, and several others. The sog is the easiest to use in hard stuff.

I love the victorinox and they work great, but they don't get used as much as the powerlock's do.

i'd say sog, leatherman backs their products well, but aside from my grandpas old leatherman, i've never had the pliers stay tight, they always develop serious play for no good reason.

powerlock all the way. You can easily cut coins in half. Not really a useful skill , but it's not so easy to do with any other mt that i've tried.

i have found that the sog has the most powerful wirecutters, however the swisstool wins it for me in overall plier strength.

 

[tomcrx]

Allow me to introduce you to the MSR Ground Hog. I give them five thumbs of doom. Especially after I beat on them with a hammer.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Hey let's sharpen one and send it to Noss for testing

 

[Guyon]

Hang on folks, just got back from checking out that thread and it's a lot worse than I recalled.

Check this out, absolutely no scientific data, frankly it's appalling

Yeah, but he called it a review and not a test.

 

[theonew]

i watched nutnfancy's review on youtube of one along with a supertool 300, and while he also really liked the victorinox, he did a nail cutting test, and the victorinox pliers had a little harder time than the st300, i'd also recommend staying away from gerber, however i've heard that sog pliers have are pretty strong as well, so i'd go either sog or st300 if plier strength is your main concern.

Test or review, semantics aside, the really shocking part is that people are making strength recommendations without citing scientific data. Clearly they need to be mocked into submission

 

[theonew]

What's even worse, they haven't even come up with a definition of strength which could then be tested scientifically. Irresponsible I say

 

[Guyon]

What's really irresponsible is you posting twice when one post would have done. Just ask Gator 97.

Not to worry... it shouldn't be too hard to get some data on those pliers. All we need to know is how much leverage it takes to force the nail in two. I'll add a torque wrench to my Home Depot order.

 

[theonew]

First you need a hypothesis to test. I assume that needs to be written down, perhaps Broos can help with that.

i have found that the sog has the most powerful wirecutters, however the swisstool wins it for me in overall plier strength.

How do you plan to test for overall plier strength
How many samples are you going to use?

 

[WalterDavis]

That's ok, but you yourself can control more or less, how fast you swing and how much stress you put on the objects you are hammering right?

Yep! And that's exactly why I say his tests are nothing but stunts-I can control a hammer. In fact my multiple years of experience in being a oilfield roughneck, construction laborer, and general ne'er-do-well, probably better than most And I'm not a physicist by any means, but I can tell you that there are a lot of variables that go into moving the unmovable, and breaking through plate metal with a hammer. Everything from the condition and grind of the face, to the speed, strength, and timing of the hits. That said, you couldn't pull a shred of evidence of anything off of Noss's test, unless you were prosecuting him for knife abuse There's nothing there to quantify, other than number of hits.

And that would be cool with me, if that's all it was. However, to present his findings as any sort of test is b.s. Entertainment, yes, review, well...kinda. But test, well...if you think the 'Jackass' stunt of getting in a shopping cart and being rolled off of a hill is a good 'test' of the plastic used in the cart wheels then yeah, Noss 'tests' knives. But those carts aren't designed to run at 30 MPH, and most knives aren't designed as metal shears. It's that simple, at least to me.


If anyone finds any value (other than pure entertainment) in Noss's tests, then more power to them:thumbup: But if you're that guy, don't even ask to borrow one of my knives (not even the Busses), 'cause the answer is NO. If your hero wears a mask and doesn't play hockey, you might be a....:foot:

All kidding aside, I think there could be destruction tests done that would benefit the makers, the users, the fans and the haters, and that would in general be good for the community. But it can't be done in hiding. A person would need to stand behind their results, show some controls, some fore-thought, their processes and all of the results, and take some pride in their work. When someone just throws out a blurb (whether it's a sentence or an infommercial) without anything to back it up, I have to bet that what they're selling isn't worth the money.

 

[Guyon]

Great questions, theonew. I'm not going to panic yet though.
I'll worry about them when I see new guys chatting up the strength tests they saw in Multi-tools & Multi-purpose Knives and crushing their SOG tools in pneumatic presses.

Walter, I'm sorely disappointed in you. I thought you'd be well into your vector analysis by now.

 

[theonew]

I'll worry about them when I see new guys chatting up the strength tests they saw in Multi-tools & Multi-purpose Knives and crushing their SOG tools in pneumatic presses.

Oh I see, erroneous conclusions based upon unscientific methods are only unwelcome if it is talked about too much by new guys or if it involves, to paraphrase Mr. Glesser, exceeding the limits to know the limits. Perhaps that should be a sticky at the top of his forum :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

Just curious: did this review give the impression that a good multi-tool (a Five Spinning Pliers multi-tool) should be able to clip through rebar?