Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

[WalterDavis]

Hang on folks, just got back from checking out that thread and it's a lot worse than I recalled.

Check this out, absolutely no scientific data, frankly it's appalling

I can completely understand why you'd be mad:thumbup: 'Cause, man, all 12 of those posters (two people posted twice) came on this site just to stir up hits on their own site, compared tools that were different sizes and for different uses, and heck, probably even tried to use the scissors to cut nails, yet don't want to give out their names because the 'test stand for themselves'. All while wearing old Freddy Krueger masks and gloves, because with 5 knives on your hand, all you need on your belt is a multi-too Yep, they were way, way, way out of line:grumpy:

Really, I think there's a difference between relating uses that something is designed for (as in the above example) and whether or not it works well, and taking something out of its designated working parameters and beating on it until destruction. When somebody calls out Leatherman because their 'wave' fails as a splitting wedge, then I'd say they're walking on Noss's turf! But using wirecutters as wirecutters, well, that shouldn't be a destruction test-if it is then there are issues!

Walter, I'm sorely disappointed in you. I thought you'd be well into your vector analysis by now.

Roughneck, not physicist Heck, I'm not even sure I spelled those right (Ruff-nek & fizzicyst?)? Besides, i'm not doing any ana... anything for Noss:grumpy: It's my weekend, LETS DRINK!

 

[Gator97]

Yep! And that's exactly why I say his tests are nothing but stunts-I can control a hammer.

I.e. you can and he can't?

That said, you couldn't pull a shred of evidence of anything off of Noss's test, unless you were prosecuting him for knife abuse

I have no intention actually. They most important thing to me, is that nobody gets prosecuted for testing and using his own knives as he sees it fit.

But if you're that guy, don't even ask to borrow one of my knives

Major mistake you guys make is that, Noss or his test supporters are asking anything at all of you Just let them be. Criticize if you feel the need, but perhaps better w/o namecalling.

But it can't be done in hiding.

Is this a suggestion or more categorical? Besides, makers know his name just fine. He is posting his unedited videos btw.
Other than that, it's real strange to hear the demand to send testers personal info to every reader/viewer. Actually not really, a while ago Sharp Phil proposed something very similar.

A person would need to stand behind their results, show some controls,

He does, and he shows whatever he does. If that doesn't fit your criteria, well, skip it then.

some fore-thought, their processes and all of the results, and take some pride in their work.

And what evidence do you have that he doesn't fore-thought or takes no pride in his work?

I have to bet that what they're selling isn't worth the money.

Putting one's work for free on the public site, that is the very opposite of selling something for money. And better than that, nobody is forcing you to view those videos...

 

[theonew]

Oh I see, erroneous conclusions based upon unscientific methods are only unwelcome if it is talked about too much by new guys or if it involves, to paraphrase Mr. Glesser, exceeding the limits to know the limits. Perhaps that should be a sticky at the top of his forum :thumbup:

I guess this needs to be amended again :grumpy:

Erroneous conclusions based upon unscientific methods are only unwelcome if it is talked about too much by new guys or if it involves, to paraphrase Mr. Glesser, exceeding the limits to know the limits, the person mentioning it has a website, wears improper attire, and doesn't confine their tool usage to what Guyon and WalterDavis deem appropriate. I think I got it now, thanks :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

I have no intention actually. They most important thing to me, is that nobody gets prosecuted for testing and using his own knives as he sees it fit.

Major mistake you guys make is that, Noss or his test supporters are asking anything at all of you Just let them be. Criticize if you feel the need, but perhaps better w/o namecalling.

Is Gator97 suggesting that he is trying to protect some portion of the knife community on moral grounds? Hmm... that idea sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder if these poor, prosecuted souls asked Gator97 to take a stand for them. I wonder if they are buoyed by the fact he's fighting the good fight for freedom of destruction.

And I asked a simple question which I will reiterate since we're on another page now: did the multi-tool review give the impression that a good multi-tool (a Five Spinning Pliers multi-tool) should be able to clip through rebar?

Surely theonew isn't under the impression that his 4" grinder is intended for buffing and waxing his car.

 

[Guyon]

and doesn't confine their tool usage to what Guyon and WalterDavis deem appropriate.

Can someone tell me how to use this as a screwdriver?

 

[theonew]

Can someone here please tell me what the designated working parameters of a "knife" that is .3" thick are, I haven't been able to look that up

 

[Guyon]

I use mine for wood splitting and chopping.

Do you cut pipe with yours? If so, where in the world did you get that idea?

 

[theonew]

I use mine for wood splitting and chopping.

So, chopping and splitting that's it? Sounds like the wrong tool for the job

 

[Guyon]

Let me help.

 

[Guyon]

So, chopping and splitting that's it? Sounds like the wrong tool for the job

No, not really. For a 45-page argument on batoning and large knives, please see the WS&S subforum.

 

[theonew]

I thought for chopping and splitting people use these:

 

[WalterDavis]

I.e. you can and he can't?

Nope, I'm saying that I know just enough to know his 'tests' are b.s. and if he doesn't, maybe he should try doing something constructive with his 'hammer of truth' before he wears it out:thumbup: Honestly. Go build a house for a non-profit, help a neighbor with a barn, whatever.

Here's the thing. When somebody puts on a show, they're putting on a show. Noss has done absolutely nothing to show that he has any interest in doing an honest comparison of knives, or that his test are even remotely comparable other than order. He does want hits on his website, though!

I have no intention actually. They most important thing to me, is that nobody gets prosecuted for testing and using his own knives as he sees it fit.

Here's the thing: imagine if somebody taped their little brother opening a can of coke, drinking it, and dying (all acted out, of course), and then posted that 20 seconds of tape on Utube, just under the title 'kid drinks coke and dies'. How long until Coke comes calling (along with the police, Social Services, and lawyers galore!). I'd hope you can understand why Coke would be a bit 'put out' over something like that! A couple of those would probably be rough on business in this day and age.

That's what Noss does to the knife business, and that's why it's important to remind people that it's not a real test. Noss wants to break knives, that's fine, his money and he can do what he wants. But to put the knife-breaking business out there like it's A: a valid test (which it may be, in a very few cases) and B: like it's done correctly (which I'd have to maintain it's not), really does lead people to the wrong conclusions. Sometimes that which is loudest isn't the most important, it's just the hardest to ignore-luckily for me I'm mostly deaf:foot:

Major mistake you guys make is that, Noss or his test supporters are asking anything at all of you Just let them be. Criticize if you feel the need, but perhaps better w/o namecalling.

Sorry, you're flat wrong here Noss started out (as in, right from the beginning, day 1) asking everybody to do something (look at me, look at me, hehehe)! He wants attention, and he's got it:thumbup: Unfortunately for him, some people just don't suffer the 'class clown' well, and that's part he's chosen for himself.

 

[Guyon]

I thought for chopping and splitting people use these:

theonew must have passed out and missed five years of discussion and debate here at BFC. Head injuries are a bear.

Don't get me wrong. I chop and split with axes too sometimes. You know, sort of like I sometimes use a drill with the proper attachment as a buffing tool. I know. Crazy me. I've even been known to hammer a tent stake with a hatchet.

But then, for some reason, I've never used my electric drill to plane a board. I can't quite figure out why though.

 

[theonew]

theonew must have passed out and missed five years of discussion and debate here at BFC. Head injuries are a bear.

So wait ... what you're telling me is that not everyone always uses the right tool for the job, yourself included, that is just plain awful

 

[Gator97]

Is Gator97 suggesting that he is trying to protect some portion of the knife community on moral grounds? Hmm... that idea sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder if these poor, prosecuted souls asked Gator97 to take a stand for them.

No, that's your misguided interpretation Once again..
Anyway, let me clear that up for you.
a) I am not trying to protect portion(s) of community, but simply, I believe we're all equal here in terms of rights to speak, test and use our own knives and post the results, especially on our own sites, w/o personal insults and name calling.
b) You(as in you & Co), on the other hand assume others are not smart enough to decide for themselves, and believe that you are qualified to define or redefine knife testing rules, who and how should test their knives, what to post and what not...

I suppose the difference is clear?

 

[Guyon]

So wait ... what you're telling me is that not everyone always uses the right tool for the job, yourself included, that is just plain awful

So you mean that I should use my Leatherman Wave to clip rebar. Otherwise, it's not a strong multi-tool. Right?

And BTW, a large knife is the right tool for wood chores.

Gator97, allow me to illuminate...

a) You are trying to protect the portion of the knife community that suffers egregiously from all the negative attention it draws to itself by misusing and abusing knives with no clear aims or merits.
b) I, on the other hand assume that the knife community might be better served by thoughtful and methodical knife testing rather than abusive stunts aimed mainly at garnering attention.

The difference is clear as a bell. :thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

FWIW I really don't know if theonew has a head injury. I was making a joke that fit alongside my other one about missing five years of debate on big knives and batoning. If theonew actually is suffering from a head injury, I humbly apologize.

 

[Gator97]

Nope, I'm saying that I know just enough to know his 'tests' are b.s.

This is what you think, and that's all. Others may or may not agree, after seeing his tests.

...he should try doing something constructive with his 'hammer of truth' before he wears it out:thumbup: Honestly. Go build a house for a non-profit, help a neighbor with a barn, whatever.

What he should do is his own business... he does do free public work that a lot of knife nuts are finding useful, entertaining, etc. And in that regards he's way ahead of may of his critics.

Noss has done absolutely nothing to show that he has any interest in doing an honest comparison of knives, or that his test are even remotely comparable other than order.

??? The same can be applied to any reviewer, especially if you dislike his testing methods.

He does want hits on his website, though!

And he is getting tons of them. Quite a bit form this very thread

...How long until Coke comes calling (along with the police, Social Services, and lawyers galore!). I'd hope you can understand why Coke would be a bit 'put out' over something like that!

What you are describing is a deliberate lie and misinformation, hence you'd have to have a good evidence that Noss is doing that. And I am sure makers would've taken the action, if that was a case.

That's what Noss does to the knife business,

I think you over estimate his influence in general. And again, what evidence do you have that he is doctoring his tests, or deliberately misleading someone? Do you mean those broken knives can not be broken again with the same methods?

and that's why it's important to remind people that it's not a real test.

Yeah, whatever, although 600+ message thread to "remind" and with all the harsh talk from his detractors is a bit too much for a simple reminder.

Sometimes that which is loudest isn't the most important

And it's pretty clear who was the loudest in this thread, Noss just posted once.

Unfortunately for him, some people just don't suffer the 'class clown' well, and that's part he's chosen for himself.

That'd be just fine if they skipped all the insults, inappropriate stuff.

 

[theonew]

Hmmmm, if THBL sometimes uses the wrong tool for the job, I wonder if some military or first responder types also use their knife to do things outside of the THBL Designated Use Parameters, that would be interesting to find out.

THBL you might want to edit the post above, changing a quote isn't allowed outside of W&C

 

[Gator97]

Clear as a bell. Fixed that post BTW. :thumbup:

That was pretty low. I doubt "fixing" other people's quotes is a welcome practice. You run out of other stunts?