Knock-Off, Counterfeit, Fake Bucks & The Americans Who Sell Them

[like em sharp]

Video of Buck 316 Parallex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix89CyEPVzw

Here's the Buck page showing and describing the Buck 316 Parallex http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=products.search&SearchTerms=316&x=13&y=7

On the other hand, "Buck Talus" gets only one hit on Google - this thread. "Canadian tire" + talus gets no hits.

These are merely facts. What they mean, I cannot say.

Alright, here's some facts for you:

Canadian Tire is an organization with nearly some 1400 retail locations across Canada and more than 11 billion dollars in revenues last year. http://corp.canadiantire.ca/EN/Investors/FinancialReports/Annual Reports Library/CTC_AR_2012.pdf

The link I posted quite clearly shows the knife listed as the "Talus" posted on Canadian Tire's corporate website, available for sale to consumers. (as posted above)

Canadian Tire list some 25 other Buck knife products for sale in its online catalogue. (www.canadiantire.ca)

Mr. Bill Keys, Director of Manufacturing and Engineering for Buck knives has stated on these very forums that Buck manufactures the Model 424 "Buck Lite" specifically for Canadian Tire (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/774393-Buck-Lite-424), an otherwise retired product.

Now, given those facts, what conclusion might you draw?

Is it:

1. A multi-billion dollar organization with strong working ties with Buck Knives, that sells multiple, authentic Buck Knives products, would knowingly sell counterfeit products to make what, a couple of thousand dollars? If that?

Or;

2. Buck did a special model run for a major retail partner.

Because one of these conclusions makes a helluva lot more sense than the other.

 

[Plumberdv]

Alright, here's some facts for you:

Canadian Tire is an organization with nearly some 1400 retail locations across Canada and more than 11 billion dollars in revenues last year. http://corp.canadiantire.ca/EN/Investors/FinancialReports/Annual Reports Library/CTC_AR_2012.pdf

The link I posted quite clearly shows the knife listed as the "Talus" posted on Canadian Tire's corporate website, available for sale to consumers. (as posted above)

Canadian Tire list some 25 other Buck knife products for sale in its online catalogue. (www.canadiantire.ca)

Mr. Bill Keys, Director of Manufacturing and Engineering for Buck knives has stated on these very forums that Buck manufactures the Model 424 "Buck Lite" specifically for Canadian Tire (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/774393-Buck-Lite-424), an otherwise retired product.
Now, given those facts, what conclusion might you draw?

Is it:

1. A multi-billion dollar organization with strong working ties with Buck Knives, that sells multiple, authentic Buck Knives products, would knowingly sell counterfeit products to make what, a couple of thousand dollars? If that?

Or;

2. Buck did a special model run for a major retail partner.

Because one of these conclusions makes a helluva lot more sense than the other.

There's one major difference that is apparent right off the bat. The 424 made for Canadian Tire is simply the exact same knife that was dropped from Buck's catalogs and was resurected for Canadian Tire. Same knife, and same model number. The Talus is not a special run of an "otherwise retired product".

The Talus 316 on the other hand, is a totally different knife than the Parallex 316. One's skeletonized, the other has a solid handle, one is a liner lock, the other is a back lock.

Since the Parallex has been dropped from Buck's line up, catalog and price list for 2013, I suppose that it's possible that Buck designed a brand new knife for 2013, gave it a new name but recycled the model number. It's been done before, the 111 and 186 for examples.

Perhaps a quick message to Joe can provide the answer.

 

[oregon]

http://reviews.canadiantire.ca/9045/0755609P/buck-buck-parallex-knife-combo-reviews/reviews.htm

Here is a link to the Canadian Tire 316 Parallex.

 

[oregon]

There's one major difference that is apparent right off the bat. The 424 made for Canadian Tire is simply the exact same knife that was dropped from Buck's catalogs and was resurected for Canadian Tire. Same knife, and same model number.

The Talus 316 on the other hand, is a totally different knife than the Parallex 316. One's skeletonized, the other has a solid handle, one is a liner lock, the other is a back lock.

Since the Parallex has been dropped from Buck's line up, catalog and price list for 2013, I suppose that it's possible that Buck designed a brand new knife for 2013, gave it a new name but recycled the model number. It's been done before, the 111 and 186 for examples.

Perhaps a quick message to Joe can provide the answer.

Email to Joe Houser already sent requesting clarification on the Talus.

 

[oregon]

From the Canadian Tire reviewer who owns the knife, linked above in thread post #98: "I guess the Buck people make this especially for Can Tire, because it's not listed on their website -- or anywhere on the web!"

 

[Plumberdv]

I assure you sir that you are completely, utterly and totally wrong.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...5P/Buck+G10+Black+Folding+Knife.jsp?locale=en

Canadian Tire is a massive hardware chain in Canada with hundreds of stores across the country. They would not sell fake Buck knives.

The Talus most definitely exists.

Edit: You might notice that the second picture you posted is the ad copy from the Canadian Tire website. The Talus does indeed not have a tang stamp on the presentation side of the blade. I would also point out that if this is a custom model made for Canadian Tire, it would not be the first. Buck still makes the Buck Lite 424 specifically for that retailer.

Does it have one on the other side? It would be very unusual for it to have none at all. I'd very much also like to know when the knife was made or introduced.

 

[like em sharp]

Does it have one on the other side? It would be very unusual for it to have none at all. I'd very much also like to know when the knife was made or introduced.

I haven't purchased one because I dislike partially serrated blades (and Canadian Tire's returns policy is getting very strict). I have seen one for sale at a local Canadian Tire, and it was advertised in this week's paper flyer as a "New" product.

If you want to check the flyer, go to www.canadiantire.ca, click view flyer on the right hand side, use V3V 5N6 as postal code. Find the dropdown on the top right that says "Flyer Views" and switch to single page, and move the slider to page 31. It's on the bottom of the page.


Now, I really, really want to know why people are making the assumption that a major retailer with known, legitimate ties to Buck Knives would sell counterfeit products. Especially, as it has been stated, that the 316 Parallex has been apparently discontinued, and that Buck has recycled model numbers before.

Can someone answer that question? Because it annoys me to no end that people would jump to those sorts of conclusions even when presented facts that would say otherwise.

 

[oregon]

Per my phone call this morning to Buck, Janet @ 1-800-326-2825, ext 3, button 2: The Buck Talus is authentic.

My sincere apologies to those offended.

Thank you for your input like em sharp.

 

[300Bucks]

This sticky will have a few bumpy spots as we travel down its road.

Thanks Oregon. Thanks LeS for factual presentation. Thanks all others for working through a questionable situation.

This my friends is how it has to be done. Questions raised on a odd Buck knife and factual presentations by someone with knowledge to show it real or fake.

Everyone acted with decency and a conclusion was reached that gives people the information to feel right about their purchase of that knife.

On to the next bump.

300

 

[st8yd]

So is the talus made in the U.S. or china?

 

[like em sharp]

So is the talus made in the U.S. or china?

I stopped by a Canadian Tire today, and the packaging I saw did not have a "Made in the USA" label on the front. I did not have a chance to examine it closely as it was being purchased by someone else. It was otherwise identical to the picture posted a page earlier in this thread.

Were I to make an educated guess, I would say that the Talus is a foreign-produced knife.

 

[oregon]

The online auction vendor lists the country of manufacture as China.

 

[oregon]

Buck Factory Store & I Converse, via email, Re. 316 Talus:

My inquiry: "Does Buck make the Talus folding knife model #316? Is it available from the company store? Is it made for Canadian Tire? Is it authentic?"

BFS response: "Thank you for your inquiry. The Talus 316 was made for Canadian Tire and is no longer in production and there is no more stock."

Update: Joe Houser has also confirmed authenticity of the Talus 316.

 

[Plumberdv]

"Thank you for your inquiry. The Talus 316 was made for Canadian Tire and is no longer in production and there is no more stock."

Makes you wonder what the 2014 model #316 will be like??

In 2012 it was the Parallex, in 2013 it was/is the Talus, in 2014 who knows.

 

[oregon]

Seller out of Scottsville, Virginia.

 

[oregon]

Seller out of Idaho. Moderator 300Bucks - Seller talked with forum members and removed from sale

Buck made a Bravo Rescue 855 but not a black model.

 

[Plumberdv]

Fake Vanguard being sold by a seller out of Cowpens, South Carolina. He knows that they are fake. We've had a discussion in the past about them but he still insists that they are OK knives even if fakes.

 

[honestlyinsane]

Plumber Dave listed this one once. I found it being sold on the bay by a different seller. He may or may not have known it was a fake. I reported it as a fake.

 

[oregon]

Neither of these two knives are made by or authorized by Buck Knives, Inc. yet they are both marked with the Buck name. This makes them fake/counterfeit. They are sold by an American who does not disclose her city. Click this link to hear about her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMKkCBOM7_4

 

[immer]

Hi all,

I stumbled on this forum while browsing for Buck counterfeits. On the biggest Dutch auction site, marktplaats.nl, some guy is offering Buck knives. However, as I noticed the SOG knifes he is offering are counterfeits, I expect his Buck knifes will be counterfeits as well.

The items are:
http://link.marktplaats.nl/698100618
(this looks a lot like the one in the post above...)

http://link.marktplaats.nl/698091158

http://link.marktplaats.nl/697804510

http://link.marktplaats.nl/697796539

What do you think? Are they indeed counterfeits as well?