Have you tried the 5.11 bottle carriers? I bought the Maxped one for part of my kit...Nalgene SS bottle, Nesting cup, Fish Spreaders, Wetfire, Cookware. But it is just WAAAAY too overbuilt! It's heavy, it's bulky, it takes up too much space, and its ginormous on my Condor2. So I have this brand new $35 bottle holder not getting used. From the pics on Amazon. the 5.11 doesn't appear to be isulated, and doesn't have extra pockets...and is about $10 cheaper. Haven't founf anyone whose used it before though.