Manix II CTS- XHP

nozh2002 said:
Spyderco did not do good job on the lock. I am not sure is it design flow or they compromise usability to make production cheaper, but it is pretty easy to fix with Dremel (just wear dusk mask, because G10 dust is very dangerous). To me the way lock came from he factory is "half baked" (which is not big deal for me - I grew up in USSR, where almost everything was made this way):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIcms1Xz_g

I did it right away and report it on Spyderco forum, but Sal just ignore it. So I assume that making this simple grooves in Manix lock hole unacceptable expensive in production - if they give up excellent steel to one which is half good just because it cheaper $2/lb I think it is just hard to expect them to give up production cost for quality improvement.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Interesting mod - I may have to check that out man. I do notice that the "buttons" on the caged ball bearing move/flex a little and contact the G10 so that makes perfect sense.

I will say that as soon as I got this knife, I did a light spine-whack test with it - its solid as a tank, no lock failure here.
 
nozh2002 said:
Spyderco did not do good job on the lock. I am not sure is it design flow or they compromise usability to make production cheaper, but it is pretty easy to fix with Dremel (just wear dusk mask, because G10 dust is very dangerous). To me the way lock came from he factory is "half baked" (which is not big deal for me - I grew up in USSR, where almost everything was made this way):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIcms1Xz_g

I did it right away and report it on Spyderco forum, but Sal just ignore it. So I assume that making this simple grooves in Manix lock hole unacceptable expensive in production - if they give up excellent steel to one which is half good just because it cheaper $2/lb I think it is just hard to expect them to give up production cost for quality improvement.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I remember when you posted that. Most of the mods I see don't appeal to me much (example: the various mods people do on the Gayle Bradley) but the bevel on the area around the cage seemed potentially useful and unlikely to have any negative effects on safe handling. The reason I never tried it was because I don't trust my freehand Dremel abilities. ;)
 
EZ Bake said:
Interesting mod - I may have to check that out man. I do notice that the "buttons" on the caged ball bearing move/flex a little and contact the G10 so that makes perfect sense.

I will say that as soon as I got this knife, I did a light spine-whack test with it - its solid as a tank, no lock failure here.
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It is not mod, but fix. It suppose to be this way, otherwise finger do not have enough space to apply force in correct direction.
It is obvious, but need more steps in production rather then simple stamp work.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
You guys need to get those hand spriings and start working on some grip strength. I have no problem closing the manix 2. I am 6 foot 2 250 so maybe I'm just strong:D
 
spydusse said:
You guys need to get those hand spriings and start working on some grip strength. I have no problem closing the manix 2. I am 6 foot 2 250 so maybe I'm just strong:D
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You must be a 6' 2" Proctologist if you can open it with one finger :D (hope you've got little fingers)
 
I can close it with one finger and nope I don't have girly man hands , gots work7 to 7 ill post a video later tonight.I do use the shizen out of my knives maybe its just super broken in . That said two fingers was never close to a problem
 
Its not designed to close with one finger.........
Though some folks can.
I believe it was made this way to avoid accidental closing when in use.
Its not a design flaw, just the way they are designed.
I like the lock, no play in any direction & self adjusting.
Its not an Axis lock, but rather a ball bearing lock.
Everyone knows that, but it seems worth repeating...... now.........
 
MCM said:
Its not designed to close with one finger.........
Though some folks can.
I believe it was made this way to avoid accidental closing when in use.
Its not a design flaw, just the way they are designed.
I like the lock, no play in any direction & self adjusting.
Its not an Axis lock, but rather a ball bearing lock.
Everyone knows that, but it seems worth repeating...... now.........
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+1000 took the words right out of my mouth!
 
The Mastiff said:
Once again you're making up things. Got any evidence Spyderco gave up 440V because S30V was 2$ per pound cheaper or are you here trolling again? Lets see you back up your words Vassili.
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Spyderco gave up 440V (S60V) due to chipping problems of the steel, it's pretty brittle.
 
MCM said:
Its not designed to close with one finger.........
Though some folks can.
I believe it was made this way to avoid accidental closing when in use.
Its not a design flaw, just the way they are designed.
I like the lock, no play in any direction & self adjusting.
Its not an Axis lock, but rather a ball bearing lock.
Everyone knows that, but it seems worth repeating...... now.........
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Agreed, but it is absolutely true (at least on my Manix II and several others I've seen) that the Polymer cage/button surrounding the ball-bearing is in fact contacting the G10 scales and causing a much less than desirable element of control on the lock. I'm not saying Vassili is right in everything he's said, but the fact that his mod to the scales makes for a very much easier to actuate/disengage locking mechanism doesn't take anything away from the fact that the lock is still solid and works as designed (the spring is holding the ball-bearing in place just as it always has).

The lock isn't anymore prone to accidentally failing or opening unintentionally than an Axis or Bolt-action lock would be.
 
MCM said:
Its not designed to close with one finger.........
Though some folks can.
I believe it was made this way to avoid accidental closing when in use.
Its not a design flaw, just the way they are designed.
I like the lock, no play in any direction & self adjusting.
Its not an Axis lock, but rather a ball bearing lock.
Everyone knows that, but it seems worth repeating...... now.........
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Common, with all other locks around which can be opened with one finger, this one designed not to be opened this way, probably to successfully compete with other lock which are more convenient for use? And with little effort - little groove around lock pin it became as useful as other lock?

This customer loyalty is way too much, if every body would accept whatever company do, any failure - it will lead to degradation, which I already observes. From inaccurate grind to design which ignores need to open lock with one finger and lowering warranty standards. Company in result will go to have those unreasonably loyal customers as only customer base.

This lock is poorly designed and poorly manufactured - in result it need to be fixed out of the box, then it became as good as other locks. Idea to prevent it from accidental opening by making it hard to open normal way is hard to accept.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Common, with all other locks around which can be opened with one finger, this one designed not to be opened this way, probably to successfully compete with other lock which are more convenient for use? And with little effort - little groove around lock pin it became as useful as other lock?

This customer loyalty is way too much, if every body would accept whatever company do, any failure - it will lead to degradation, which I already observes. From inaccurate grind to design which ignores need to open lock with one finger and lowering warranty standards. Company in result will go to have those unreasonably loyal customers as only customer base.

This lock is poorly designed and poorly manufactured - in result it need to be fixed out of the box, then it became as good as other locks. Idea to prevent it from accidental opening by making it hard to open normal way is hard to accept.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I'd say that's taking things to the extreme. I've yet to own a Spyderco that was poorly designed/manufactured. Missing things in QC or tiny Design annoyances are not necessarily the same thing as a lack of quality. Customer loyalty is based on Spyderco's reputation - I've got 7 of their knives and I'm happy with all of them with only minor complaints like the manix II's lock - its not a big deal, but it would be nice to have a bit easier manipulated locking mechanism.

For the price they charge, Spyderco is well above most other production knife-makers for value with respect to design and quality.
 
EZ Bake said:
I'd say that's taking things to the extreme. I've yet to own a Spyderco that was poorly designed/manufactured. Missing things in QC or tiny Design annoyances are not necessarily the same thing as a lack of quality. Customer loyalty is based on Spyderco's reputation - I've got 7 of their knives and I'm happy with all of them with only minor complaints like the manix II's lock - its not a big deal, but it would be nice to have a bit easier manipulated locking mechanism.

For the price they charge, Spyderco is well above most other production knife-makers for value with respect to design and quality.
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All this does not make lock better, isn't it? You still can not open it with one finger, without fixing it yourself...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I can't help but wonder what's so important about using only one finger to disengage a lock vs using two fingers? I have yet to encounter any real scenario where my other four fingers were engaged in such an important matter that they were unavailable to assist in the unlocking of my knife. I can't disengage my Manix 2 with only one finger, but sat here for a while trying to position my hand or come up with a circumstance where I would be limited to one finger unlocking only...and am stumped. Any insight into the importance of this would be appreciated.
 
I feel I must add here, that I have 3 manix2's and all of them can be closed easily with a single thumb. When they were brand new, this was not the case, but as I have used them, they have all become very easy to close this way.
 
Well, so what if you need two fingers on one hand to close the manix 2? It's still a one hand opener and closer. Unless of course, you have less than 5 fingers.
 
Hey ez , you get my video ? Its not showing up in my sent box. Anyways the video aside I usally use two fingers to disengage it and two for my axis . It just fells more right doing it with two .
 
I guess I just don't understand why one would continue not only to purchase or purchase in the first place, a design they feel is flawed, from a company they have issue with, solely for a steel they think is one of the best in the industry. Quite honestly, the more I use CTS-XHP, the less I like it. It's a decent steel, but I've found there are others I like quite a bit beter. It's not the end all, be all. I certainly wouldn't buy a knife who's design I took issue with, from a company I took issue with, just for a blade in it. I'm not positive I'd buy another knife in it at all.
 
Wooooo, just read my post . Geez iif you throw a ''in bed'' at the end of my paragraph things be getting strange:eek:
 
No I'm not. I've bought several recently and plan on several more as certain models become available. Whether intentional or unintentional, you missed my point completely.

If I don't like a knife or a company, I just don't buy it, or from them. "Calling for a boycott Spyderco"???? Really?
 
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