MAP read this and stop complaining..

craytab said:
It is not difficult. None of this BS matters in the least. The only thing I care about as a consumer is what price I am paying vs the quality of the product I am getting. To talk about carts, or advertised price, or what the manufacturer/dealer says means exactly jack squat.

Give me a product I think is worth the price I pay for it.
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Ok...

But it means that it's not 100% benchmades fault.....

Sure, they set the pricing, but the dealers are technically to blame for you actually paying MAP
 
Krissig12 said:
Ok...

But it means that it's not 100% benchmades fault.....

Sure, they set the pricing, but the dealers are technically to blame for you actually paying MAP
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Wrong, if it Benchmade was using MAP that would be true, because they would be only enforcing the advertised price, they're enforcing the actual price, dealers who allow coupons will be dropped as dealers
 
michaelm466 said:
Wrong, if it Benchmade was using MAP that would be true, because they would be only enforcing the advertised price, they're enforcing the actual price, dealers who allow coupons will be dropped as dealers
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That was the ultimatum Benchmade imposed on retailers to continue to be an authorized dealer . Me, I would have told them to go pound sand.
 
michaelm466 said:
Wrong, if it Benchmade was using MAP that would be true, because they would be only enforcing the advertised price, they're enforcing the actual price, dealers who allow coupons will be dropped as dealers
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yes, but its not a coupon if they just sell it at a lower price (all the while complying with BM and MAP by advertising it as a higher price...). Theres no coupons involved. Its just a price that they will be selling it at, but not ADVERTISING it for. Like the "add to cart for special price" thing. Do you put in a coupon? Nope. Theres one set price, but its not overtly advertised at that price. Thus, its in compliance with MAP pricing
 
I believe you're mistaken in regards to what Benchmade is specifically disallowing their dealers to do. For example, Blade HQ has numerous models with the 'add to cart to see price' option however none of them are Benchmades. Coincidence? I think not. Unfortunately Benchmade never stepped up to us to explain the whole thing so we're left with unnecessary threads like this one wasting our time discussing things we should already know.
 
I'm sure all of the big online dealers are just sick over Benchmade forcing them to make a larger profit. :rolleyes:
 
fetzer85 said:
I believe you're mistaken in regards to what Benchmade is specifically disallowing their dealers to do. For example, Blade HQ has numerous models with the 'add to cart to see price' option however none of them are Benchmades. Coincidence? I think not. Unfortunately Benchmade never stepped up to us to explain the whole thing so we're left with unnecessary threads like this one wasting our time discussing things we should already know.
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You're probably right though. I can't see Benchmade allowing a loophole to exist. They probably included a rule to get rid of this just like they got rid of the coupons thing.
 
I don't give a shit about whether or not what Benchmade did is legal (it is) or the ins and outs of pricing structures and modulations...as far as I'm concerned, they decided to artificially inflate their prices for the very same products they were selling before through the policies they subject their dealers to and I'm not paying $120 for a Griptillian that sold for $90 a year ago, not happening. Even at $90, 154CM steel and plastic handles is pushing it, the Griptillian should be about a $75 knife IMO, but that's another topic entirely.

This is the same reason I don't buy Rolex or Omega watches new from their dealers, they are constantly increasing prices (every quarter at usually) and forbid their dealers from selling for much more than 15% off MSRP. If you know what you're doing, new watches can be had for substantially less than dealer MAP.

Benchmade lost my business before they even got it.
 
I don't give a shit about whether or not what Benchmade did is legal (it is) or the ins and outs of pricing structures and modulations...as far as I'm concerned, they decided to artificially inflate their prices for the very same products they were selling before through the policies they subject their dealers to and I'm not paying $120 for a Griptillian that sold for $90 a year ago, not happening. Even at $90, 154CM steel and plastic handles is pushing it, the Griptillian should be about a $75 knife IMO, but that's another topic entirely.

This is the same reason I don't buy Rolex or Omega watches new from their dealers, they are constantly increasing prices (every quarter at usually) and forbid their dealers from selling for much more than 15% off MSRP. If you know what you're doing, new watches can be had for substantially less than dealer MAP.

Benchmade lost my business before they even got it.
 
Why is a price increase by a manufacturer such a crime? Is is a business to make money. Sooner or later inflation affects cost. Why should they not take a fair increase?
The only reason I started the thread is every thread about BM is littered with complaints specifically about MAP.
If you don't agree with their pricing fine, but that has nothing to do with MAP.

BTW so I used an H&K as an example so here is a BM one.
550HG on the BM site at $115, Knifecenter+$89.25 and free shipping. Just saying..
 
michaelm466 said:
Wrong, if it Benchmade was using MAP that would be true, because they would be only enforcing the advertised price, they're enforcing the actual price, dealers who allow coupons will be dropped as dealers
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REI does 20% off sales throughout the year which includes benchmade knives. Do you think Benchmade is really going to drop them as a dealer? I seriously doubt it.
 
billym said:
Why is a price increase by a manufacturer such a crime? Is is a business to make money. Sooner or later inflation affects cost. Why should they not take a fair increase?
The only reason I started the thread is every thread about BM is littered with complaints specifically about MAP.
If you don't agree with their pricing fine, but that has nothing to do with MAP.

BTW so I used an H&K as an example so here is a BM one.
550HG on the BM site at $115, Knifecenter+$89.25 and free shipping. Just saying..
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I don't think you understand. BM didn't issue a price increase - they set a bottom price on each knife where dealers can't sell them for less than that price. The dealers were discounting the knives on their own which was not effecting BM's profits. Also, MSRP and MAP are not the same thing so saying a knife is being sold by a dealer below MSRP does not necessarily violate MAP.
 
MAP is a simple concept, that can have disastrous results.

MAP only applies to parties that are in privity of contract. Only one recent case, Leegin, even addresses vertical pricing, and the USSC held that vertical pricing was pretty much legal.

So, the dealers that buy directly from a manufacturer are pretty much bound to any reasonable pricing program.

If you can obtain a MAP type of item from a source outside of privity, you can sell for any price you want, a penny, free, dump it in the ocean, etc.

It's messy now, and getting worse...
 
Read thread.
Increase my understanding.

Makes no difference. I'm still bummed that BM jacked up the prices. I have no brick and mortar option down here, only online retailers. I had 7 BMs when the price jumped. I still have 7. I don't see that number changing.
Other makers are my preference now, BMs are just too expensive. Sad really.
 
The problem I have is when map equals msrp. That's the issue with Benchmade.
 
billym said:
Why is a price increase by a manufacturer such a crime? Is is a business to make money. Sooner or later inflation affects cost. Why should they not take a fair increase?
The only reason I started the thread is every thread about BM is littered with complaints specifically about MAP.
If you don't agree with their pricing fine, but that has nothing to do with MAP.
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You truly don't understand the very concept you came on here to explain to us. Like was said above, BM didn't increase their price. Maybe go look this whole MAP thing up before you come on here and rile everyone up.

billym said:
BTW so I used an H&K as an example so here is a BM one.
550HG on the BM site at $115, Knifecenter+$89.25 and free shipping. Just saying..
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Seriously? If you are going to quote prices you might want to get it right. At least for me, on my computer, at this point in time, and when I add it to my cart it comes to $98.

And that same Grip would have been much cheaper pre-mess pricing. Just sayin...
 
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