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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by funky419, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    Appreciate it. If someone else wants to do this go ahead.

    As I've learned if I want my money back I have to contact PayPal. My time is worth something, sorry.
  2. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    Lol I missed this...I'm an uncouth mother I guess...

    I've been called worse.
  3. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    So does anyone know a mod of this forum @onehunter violated rules of the feedback thing... I'm not even sure why I got negative feedback? I guess he was mad...

    Lmao...this just got funny.

    Genuine ZT 0450 boufgt from jgang 3 weeks ago. Knife sold as described with pictures.

    Yeah that's definitely against rules bud. Trust me I read them.
  4. Mossyhorn

    Mossyhorn Enlightened Rogue Gold Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    You posted negatively in the sales thread. You need to learn how the exchange works.
  5. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    Yeah I did mess up. I will change that.
  6. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    Thanks. I edited.
  7. onehunter

    onehunter Gold Member Gold Member

    May 24, 2014
    The original thread has never been deleted as funky419 claims. The knife is or was in great shape. Not horrible with ding everywere, scales hard use or pocket clip hard use as funky419 claims in first post. CHECK OUT the post yourself. Go to the first post in this thread and click on the blue link. More pictures of the knife from jgang thread posted on Jan 23 who I purchased it from. It's all there, pictures and descriptions. See for yourself who is telling the truth. I have been a member in good standing for years and I would sell a clone to make a few bucks and ruin my feedback reputation? No Way and neither would jgang who I bought it from 3 weeks ago.
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  8. Ruzster


    May 7, 2001
    But you still used F&F?? Go figure but that's on you.
    You asked about a box and "nicks" and gouges on the choil or blade. He responds that there's a box but, instead of responding explicitly to your query about "nicks," he responds that its "nicely resharpened with no scratches." I guess one could take that to mean that there are no "nicks" either but you never ask for any clarification regarding the knife's condition or for a few more pictures? That's also on you.
    So you waited a whole hour for him to get back to you before leaving negative feedback and then starting this GB&U thread? You complain because the seller responds in kind? Sorry but IMHO that kind of obnoxious behavior is on you too.
    You start a thread in GB&U complaining that you may have bought a clone fraudulently represented as genuine. But, it looks like you started the thread after you'd already given the seller negative feedback and before even ascertaining whether or not it was, in fact, a clone. Once again - that's on you.
    OK. Maybe it's as bad as you say and the seller totally misrepresented the condition of the blade but, if that's the case, prove it because it's not showing up in the pictures on either of the sales threads. Blade "nearly recurved?" Sorry, not seeing it.

    The seller has since responded and is stating unequivocally that the knife was as he described it and that you already had it in your possession for 4 days before deciding on the nuclear option. And now you're claiming that you just don't have the time to waste posting any pics of the knife in question (after being given pretty simple, straightforward instructions on how to do so) but we should just believe you and not him regardless. Sorry but you started this so it's on you to make your case.
    Not when you jump the gun like that and go all hair-on-fire before even exchanging any communication with the other party involved. If you want us to believe the knife was not as described you'll have to post some pictures and tell us whether you handled, used or perhaps tried to sharpen the blade during the 4 days it was in your possession and before you decided you weren't happy with it.

    Maybe you guys can still work this out but you sure haven't helped make a positive outcome any more likely by handling it the way you have so far. Live and learn. Best of luck.
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  9. onehunter

    onehunter Gold Member Gold Member

    May 24, 2014
    I put funky419 on my ignore button the day I sent him the tracking#. He emailed me complaining with a snarky condescending attitude that I shouldn't put the tracking # in the message section because someone might steal his knife! I don't wish to do business with someone with that kind of negative attitude. Why would anyone literally leave negative feedback 5 minutes after only one email to me asking for a refund with no explanation??? Especially after saying " I like to be private and use email" from post #5 of this thread. Ruzster also sees inconsistencies in your claims (post #48). So does Grenock (post # 51). I'm seeing a pattern here.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2019
  10. jlhskibum


    Jan 5, 2008
    The Native 5 that I purchased from the same thread arrived in perfect condition just a couple of days after the transaction. Everything exactly as described. If it's a clone, it's a good one. I'm happy and would certainly trade with onehunter again.
  11. Grenock

    Grenock Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Funky, dude, you gotta step back and see how you are coming across on this....

    If you want to be private, be an active, paying member of this forum and use the PM system.

    Again, use the PM system here. He is one here to sell a knife through the forum, if he chooses to only communicate through the forum, he will have to do it however he can, in this case, via your profile post. You want a refund but don't want the hassle of having to go to the PO to send the knife back? Come on, man!

    You don't want to contact PP and make and attempt to do this, they will likely terminate your account for misusing their product.

    In the four or so years you have had an account, up until this drivel of a thread, all but three of your posts have been in the exchange. Yes, if that is the type of forum user you plan to be, you should get very familiar with the exchange rules and how the feedback system works by reading them.

    This post looks like you are starting to capitulate to me.

    You'll do the thing, but maybe you can't be bothered, yet, you have the time to start this thread, keep checking it and continue posting.

    Again, trying hard to explain why after four years, you do not want to be a paying member, which would take less time to do than the time it has taken you to create all this mess.

    So now we have to care more about this and put more effort into getting answers than you do? You are losing steam quick here.

    Again, you want us to do the work for you now and as I said above, Paypal will not be sympathetic to your issue because you already misused their service.

    All that said, you know some of the mistakes you made on this deal. I hope you learn from them. You have also done nothing to substantiate your claims that you did not receive the knife as pictured. Your best course of action at this point would be to back out of this. Lock this thread, change the title and undue the negative feedback you left for the seller with the help of a mod.

    Onehunter - You know you shouldn't take F&F, in this case, it is the only nit I can pick with your side. Sometimes, you just gotta take one for the team from the crazies, and go the high road. If you could somehow see to undo this deal, get your knife back and then refund this guy, you would certainly go a long way toward eliminating any tarnish this deal put on your reputation. If you choose to do nothing, I understand that as well.

    My two cents guys, worth less than half that.
  12. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    Closed until I've had time to look at this.

    Edit: Thread open.
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  13. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    Until some decent pictures of the ZT are posted it will be impossible to tell whether it's a clone or not.

    As far as feedback goes, a deal was completed and both members left feedback... within the rules.

    It wasn't deleted but was edited out, not much difference between the two. I've since restored it, it's viewable now.

    Link to the original sales thread where @onehunter purchased the ZT with description and pictures.
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  14. Gastonknife


    Dec 15, 2008
    Wow. I can say that I will be avoiding the OP . Regardless of what turns out to be true with the knife and seller, it's simply wrong to leave negative FB before you even give the seller a chance to respond and make it right . Then to flame post here immediately and make accusations about a fake (when he states he doesn't know himself) is just telling about a person . No one appreciates getting let down on a purchase - I get it - but it 's not proper to seek resolution in this manner so quickly . I am not giving the seller a pass by any means, but I already know the OP is wrong here.
  15. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    Leaving feedback and GB&U threads, both positive and negative are important information for the Forum. Negative feedback and GB&U threads should however be substantiated with verifiable evidence and done only after all efforts to resolve have been exhausted, not emotional reaction or vengeance. Otherwise they are of little use to the rest of us. IMO
    I would still like to see the evidence for this claim
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2019
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  16. Gastonknife


    Dec 15, 2008
  17. braillediver

    braillediver Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Not to pile on but- F+F= Sorry that's your problem.
  18. funky419


    Mar 1, 2015
    I know its my problem. I am actually going to a knife show tomorrow, so I should be able to have an authenticated 0450 to lay side by side.

    As ice said in my heart I think its real. But the box not having original sticker and the two different color stand offs is not normal. I have pics and if someone wants to go through the trouble in posting its all you. There's nothing more this forum can do for me. I will email. You can tell the stand offs are different, very slight and easier to see in person but the picture shows. Its kind of as if one was anodized and one has a coating.

    If I had to guess, either a clone and real or maybe two reals with vastly different manufacturing dates, were taken down and cleaned together and parts interchanged. I don't know.

    I guess I will see when I go to the show tomorrow.

    And no the negative feedback rules clearly state something into the effect of giving bad feedback because of your two cents. Really I don't care but what he did is clearly wrong. Again I know in my heart I did nothing wrong. Maybe.. A little excited to receive a knife as it has been years but giving someone a head ups that its not a good thing to post tracking info publicly... I thought I was doing him a solid.

    Outdoorfunk11 at hotmail
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2019
  19. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
  20. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    See post #53.

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