May have bought a clone here.

With all due respect I did not change my story. Yes I did put him on ignore the same day I received his snarky email. And no I did not literally do it 5 minutes after received as you asked me. The 5 minute period I referred to was between funky419's only email to me and his neg feedback he left for me . It is in the post you quoted #49. Perhaps you misunderstood my meaning. I have nothing to hide.
 
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It really needs to be done through a third party as I suggested in post#98 not someone funky419 says told him so.
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That would depend on what they told him. If they say it is authentic and he accepts that, I can't see the need for a 3rd party opinion. If they say it is questionable or fake-yes, you would need to move to the 3rd party.
If it is authentic I am presuming that is what anyone with knowledge of the knife will confirm, and I expect this is likely what will happen. Nobody(assume some have) so far that looked at the sales thread has said it is an obvious fake.
Condition received-he will need to show the photo's
 
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onehunter said:
With all due respect I did not change my story. Yes I did put him on ignore the same day I received his snarky email. And no I did not literally do it 5 minutes after received as you asked me. The 5 minute period I referred to was between funky419's only email to me and his neg feedback he left for me . It is in the post you quoted #49. Perhaps you misunderstood my meaning. I have nothing to hide.
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OK, I submit to you that I mixed up the purported 5 minutes which it took your buyer to leave you a negative feedback with that being your own reaction time to put your buyer on ignore. My bad, my confusion but on the same day could also mean that you put him on ignore the minute you were done reading his purported snarky email which is even worse!

Moral of the story being that you put a buyer on ignore BEFORE he even received his knife. Is that professional or even a sound strategy? Why stoop to his level? Do you not understand that you also raise red flags by accepting F&F? You did all that which compounded and added to your problems with an already spooked buyer. I really think that it is obvious as to why these dominos feel so quickly to both parties disfavor.

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I put funky419 on my ignore button the day I sent him the tracking#. He emailed me complaining with a snarky condescending attitude that I shouldn't put the tracking # in the message section because someone might steal his knife! I don't wish to do business with someone with that kind of negative attitude. Why would anyone literally leave negative feedback 5 minutes after only one email to me asking for a refund with no explanation??? Especially after saying " I like to be private and use email" from post #5 of this thread. Ruzster also sees inconsistencies in your claims (post #48). So does Grenock (post # 51). I'm seeing a pattern here.
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OK, I submit to you that I mixed up the purported 5 minutes which it took your buyer to leave you a negative feedback with that being your own reaction time to put your buyer on ignore. My bad, my confusion but on the same day could also mean that you put him on ignore the minute you were done reading his purported snarky email which is even worse!

Moral of the story being that you put a buyer on ignore BEFORE he even received his knife. Is that professional or even a sound strategy? Why stoop to his level? Do you not understand that you also raise red flags by accepting F&F? You did all that which compounded and added to your problems with an already spooked buyer. I really think that it is obvious as to why these dominos feel so quickly to both parties disfavor.
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You ask " Why stoop to his level? " I did state why I put him on ignore - I did not want to do business with him because of his attitude. Sellers perogitive. I did also say it was a mistake on my part and I should have waited until some time after he received the knife before putting him on ignore and it wasn't to defraud him. And as far as accepting his F&F payment I clearly stated PayPal fees paid by me. I did not ask for F&F payment. I checked my account latter and had money for 3 knives I sold. I looked at total and all looked good to ship. It does not tell me buyer paid by F&F or G&S . You say my "reaction time" for putting the buyer on ignore could have been the same minute and not the same day as I stated which you say "would be even worse!" Why make an unfounded accusation like that. Remember as you said in your Post #97 "ALLWAYS BE CURTIOUS". Of course we all know hindsight is 20-20.
 
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You ask " Why stoop to his level? " I did state why I put him on ignore - I did not want to do business with him because of his attitude. Sellers perogitive. I did also say it was a mistake on my part and I should have waited until some time after he received the knife before putting him on ignore and it wasn't to defraud him. And as far as accepting his F&F payment I clearly stated PayPal fees paid by me. I did not ask for F&F payment. I checked my account latter and had money for 3 knives I sold. I looked at total and all looked good to ship. It does not tell me buyer paid by F&F or G&S . You say my "reaction time" for putting the buyer on ignore could have been the same minute and not the same day as I stated which you say "would be even worse!" Why make an unfounded accusation like that. Remember as you said in your Post #97 "ALLWAYS BE CURTIOUS". Of course we all know hindsight is 20-20.
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I am getting tired of this back and forth, because it seems to me that you are reluctant to accept some part of the blame for this debacle:

I said that you had accepted F&F payment. Which part of this is wrong or hard to understand? You did not ask for F&F in your sales thread, this I understood but the fact that he paid you via F&F, whether inadvertently or on purpose, still does not negate the fact that you ACCEPTED his F&F form of payment.

What you should've done then was to refund him his F&F payment and had asked him to pay you by G&S both for your protection and also his own protection. If he had thereafter gotten haughty or snarky with you, the fact that he had already not obeyed your rules as you had stated plus the fact that you had decided not to complete the transaction, would not have given him grounds to neg you.

Other than that, I am done discussing your self-inflicted neg feedback issues with you. Perhaps better luck next times.
 
To be honest, if someone pays me with Friends and Family, i generally just accept it and move on. Its usually not worth the trouble of refunding and getting them to pay again. The large majority of people pay with Goods and Services because i always mention "Fees included in price" or something of the sort in my threads. IF they want to pay FF then thats on them.

So i cant say i really fault the seller for that. Hopefully the buyer got his knife authenticated and can apologize for this mess.
 
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I am getting tired of this back and forth, because it seems to me that you are reluctant to accept some part of the blame for this debacle:

I said that you had accepted F&F payment. Which part of this is wrong or hard to understand? You did not ask for F&F in your sales thread, this I understood but the fact that he paid you via F&F, whether inadvertently or on purpose, still does not negate the fact that you ACCEPTED his F&F form of payment.

What you should've done then was to refund him his F&F payment and had asked him to pay you by G&S both for your protection and also his own protection. If he had thereafter gotten haughty or snarky with you, the fact that he had already not obeyed your rules as you had stated plus the fact that you had decided not to complete the transaction, would not have given him grounds to neg you.

Other than that, I am done discussing your self-inflicted neg feedback issues with you. Perhaps better luck next times.
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Without trying to be redundant I did admit my culpability in this, so how does that make me "reluctant to accept part of the blame"? And I did explain how the F&F payment was received by me (Post #105). So how could I …"refund his F&F payment are ask for G&S"... when I was unaware of his payment type? Please try to remember what you said in (post #97) "ALWAYS BE CURTIOUS". In closing, If you wish give advice be sure to lead by example.
 
^ my fellow BFC'er your lack of understanding of what I had actually said previously, quite frankly is very taxing on the patience. I really do not wish to continue on this string as I had stated before so kindly refrain from replying to my posts by clicking on "Reply" which alerts me via that little red thingy on top right!

FWIW, the first paragraph of the post # 97, written by yours truly, was directed at the buyer and the full closing sentence of that paragraph went like this:

ALWAYS BE COURTEOUS till the person you are transacting with deserves to lose that privilege.
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Yes, it is very good to be always courteous in general but I had specifically said when transacting as in a buyer / seller situation. Did I perturb you by being discourteous to you? Alright, I feel badly for that. Let's just move on please!
 
To each his own DrRoll.

If for instance I ask for $100 with all included and I receive $100 net, then I'll know immediately that the buyer did not pay me via G&S. This is very simple. To me it's very worthwhile to inform the buyer that I do not accept F&F and that I had requested G&S (in fact I always initiate sending PP invoice as I clearly state in my own ads, but that's a different story).

The PP F&F fraud can go both ways as it does not always tend to sting the buyer when things go badly as some sellers can lose out too. An honest seller can and will lose out if his buyer goes rogue on him with an F&F made payment.
 
(This post is in response to post #111) I am also for just moving on. I was only responding directly to what you wrote . My intension was not to antagonize you. Was I perturbed by you being discourteous to me as you asked? I wouldn't say that but what you wrote did require a response. Please don't blame me for your "patience being taxed" and "getting tired of this back and forth" as you said . That has to do with who you are not me. Also, the only reason I post a quote is so people reading this post will know to whom and what I am responding to more easily. I hope this exchange has ended also....
 
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I speak only for myself. Unless the OP presents some solid new evidence of a fake/clone or excessive undisclosed damage, I see no major problem here warranting a GB&U thread. Was it a perfect transaction no. On hindsight things could have been done better. I appreciate that onehunter took the time to come on here and explain his position in a calm(as can be expected) manner. It is through participation on these threads that these things can be cleared up, unpleasant as the task may be. So unless something new is presented I would be fine dealing with onehunter , and highly question the OP's actions.
I certainly am not going to drag him over the coals over the F&F issue. He did not ask for it(actually asked for G&S), and by paying that way the OP hurt him-taking away his seller protection. It would have been to his benefit to return the money. I also can see missing that he was paid that way. With 1/2 the forum asking for F&F and purposely defrauding PP this is not the case I want to make a stand on.
If the OP has something to present , he should. If it is solid I may change my mind, but with what has been presented I feel there is a none issue with onehunter and the OP has outed himself.
 
Casinostocks said:
To each his own DrRoll.

If for instance I ask for $100 with all included and I receive $100 net, then I'll know immediately that the buyer did not pay me via G&S. This is very simple. To me it's very worthwhile to inform the buyer that I do not accept F&F and that I had requested G&S (in fact I always initiate sending PP invoice as I clearly state in my own ads, but that's a different story).

The PP F&F fraud can go both ways as it does not always tend to sting the buyer when things go badly as some sellers can lose out too. An honest seller can and will lose out if his buyer goes rogue on him with an F&F made payment.
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You can also quickly tell how payment was made if there is an option to print the shipping label via Paypal. In my experience every G&S payment I have received shows a "Print Label" button or similar. No button, F&F for sure.
 
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You can also quickly tell how payment was made if there is an option to print the shipping label via Paypal. In my experience every G&S payment I have received shows a "Print Label" button or similar. No button, F&F for sure.
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Yessir! That's what I do but I gave the other simple way to look out for F&F because some folks still tend to go to their local USPS and do things manually.
 
Something's definitely something funky in the state of Denmark and I'm looking at you, OP. Barring photos or some other objectively verifiable form of proof, I'm calling BS on you for your avoidable and unnecessary forum drama. As it stands, this looks like a simple case of buyer's remorse complicated by your unrequested F&F payment and an conscious and absolute failure on your part to communicate before slinging mud. The fact that the OP started all this but has now disappeared from the discussion (after saying he was going to attend a knife show to have the knife in question looked at) is also telling.

I'd have no hesitation dealing with onehunter. F funky419 not so much.
 
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wOw OP you should have taken a few moments of your time and posted " photos " in reference to your concerns about the afore mentioned knife's authencity in the GKD. Calling someone out because "you don't know" in the GB&U doesn't reflect well on your issues.
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