Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

[NousDefions]

And come on, doing black ops in California? The governement couldn't pop for a car rental so they task Mick with stealing a car? And rather than just hotwire a car in a mall parking lot like any normal car thief, he goes to a dealership and face-to-face steals a car? OPSEC anyone?

I must've missed something. When does Mick state that he was engaged in "Black Operations" during his felony? To the best of my knowledge, that was something that Spark inferred from the phrase "heavy hitters".

 

[STR]

Our so called 'hard rolling operator' as you call him was in all liklihood in an altered state from one thing or another based on conditions of his mental state, physical health and overall probably not in his prime during this time. People seem to forget the things people do to themselves when they are depressed. At the very least I would bet he had a strong love affair with beer going on if not other things during that time. So yes, it sounds plausible. It is even probable that he is telling a true account there.

STR

 

[digitalrebelttu]

"A firearm discharged"

Where does that appear in everything posted?

Next we will read Mick shot the car salesman. Lord knows I might applaud that (insert I am not serious emoticon) as long as no one of value was wounded in the process.

My understanding is that Mick was armed. As to why this ended up in US District court with the Feds doing the charging is confusing to me. Even with Interstate involvement it is usually the State that handles car Jacking.

Oh of course I am probably wrong but there has got to be more than just locking a salesman out of a car while armed with a concealed firearm unless they stuffed the salesman in the trunk and took him to another State.

can one of the legal experts explain this to me, I know nothing about the workings of law enforcement in California.......................


I was not talking about you kevin, and yes I have not gotten one of those past a recruiter since Napoleon was a cadet, but it did at one time happen often even after my State enacted their Truth

in sentencing Law and the Feds their "guidlines"


I now know why I hate Mondays off!!!!!

The discharge claim is inaccurate- as has been posted above he was charged with: 18:2312 INTERSTATE TRANSPORTION OF A STOLEN VEHICLE, 18:2119 ARMED CARJACKING ,18:924(c)(1) Use and Carrying of a FIREARM During the
Commission of a Crime of Violence, and a count of 18:2119 ARMED CARJACKING was dismissed.

Valium helps and you do know that today is Tuesday right?

 

[Spark]

I must've missed something. When does Mick state that he was engaged in "Black Operations" during his felony? To the best of my knowledge, that was something that Spark inferred from the phrase "heavy hitters".

True enough. Then again, there's two ways to interpret "heavy hitters" - elite Tier 1 style Special Operations commandos like CAG or DEVGRU, since they are the only ones who'd be tasked with operating as a civilian, or criminal gangs. Criminal gangs doing work that was "good" doesn't quite pass the smell test. But hey, it's just another lie man, let's give him another chance, maybe he'll change his ways (until the next lie). And why would he be sentenced to Somalia if he didn't have some special skills?

So again, I'd love to know the dates and times Mick Strider was performing in a Special Operations capability. I've been very polite about asking.

 

[borebrush]

Mr Borebrush - first, let me thank you for your service to the country.

Sure, butter me up... :jerkit: jk... Thanks, but I didn't serve for thank you's.

With regards to my service, please see various posts I've made throughout this thread detailing my unit names, platoons, dates, and etc. I make no bones, I was no operator, just a lowly Combat Engineer, Airborne. That said, I was in 91-94 when Mick was claiming he was going to be sentenced to 1 years service in Somalia for his carjacking(inflammatory), so by all means tell me:

My apologies for missing that. There is a metric ton of shit here.

As a current military member, what is your opinion of someone who lies about being sentenced to Somalia for a carjacking felony?

Not current, I'm a was. I do other cool shit now. Carjacking. Thats a loaded question, because that's NOT what happened. See everyone here that is all upset about this felon thing, has it in there heads, thanks to you and your buddies; that Mick carjacked someone. Thats not the case. He locked the doors, and jumped the center console and drove off. TERRIFYING. The Boogeyman checks his closet for Mick Strider before turning out the lights... A hundred and one things could have happened in that court room. FOR ONE, Courts have no say in deploying of troops, it just doesn't work that way. Why do you assume again! that Mick is making it up? Perhaps a DA set him up for a hard fall in order to make a name for himself. Attorney's don't have a great rep either,but when it comes to Mick... they are above all suspicion.

When, in your opinion, is it ok to lie about your military record?

Again with the misinformation. Honestly Spark, either ask Mick yourself or continue with your illegitimate lynching. But to answer your question, I have only found Mick Strider, the one from a place called Earth... an honorable, honest, and amicable person. And yes, its not ok to lie about your record. CASE IN POINT.

I was fresh out of the Corps and had just started working in stuntwork. There was a local journalist hanging out, who was doing an editorial on the guys. One day he asked me if I'm a sniper. My response. HAH! FUCK NO MAN! IM A GRUNT! He laughed, and I answered a few questions about where I'd been, blah blah blah. Three months later it comes out in the magazine, and he's got me down as being a Sniper. Writers are taught to spin a good story, thats it. Thats what he did. He found a better story in dropping "sniper" than that I spent three months in Yemen after the Cole got hit. I am not responsible for what he wrote. I am not a liar because of it. Neither is Mick.

You know, this is the first time I heard that they shared shop space with SOE gear. I just thought they were buddies. Let me ask you a question: Is this the same SOE gear guys that were put in prison for 4 years for having stolen firearms, motorcycles, and parachutes from the nearby Marine Corps base? I don't remember the details of that case specifically, but it rings a bell, so I might be incorrect.

Yes, you are incorrect in the "crime" which was bullshit. I only have a couple of the particulars in the case, and out of respect to Mr. Willis, I won't expound on that. They weren't stealing Govt' NSN items. That had nothing to do with the one person (to my knowledge) that served any time. I find it funny how in the biz, everyone seems to be so on the same page on how "commie" California is. But on this issue you seem to take everything investigated, and prosecuted by that same state as though its Gospel. They are notoriously anti-gun.

By all means, do so, because your entire post is hyperbole and vitriol, and precious little hard information. Can you answer any of the questions listed above?

:yawn: If you have any questions regarding specific people and entities, take your questions to them. I am not going to be your cited source for you next abortion. You are speaking dishonestly of a person I know, so me coming here and saying that he isn't a bad guy is vitriol? Who's life am I ruining by saying that? Again, can I answer your questions? NO, DO YOUR OWN FUCKING HOMEWORK! You hit up MadDog for his notes, you ask everyone else to triple verify shit for you, and if it doesn't jive with the hate in your head and heart you call it vitriol. And while I have you upset over my harsh language, get over it. I don't buy this "higher road" crap that y'all spew about language here, when the sole purpose of your own being is to destroy several lives in your venture of ill-gotten-gain.

Finally, I don't hold it against anyone that they have been suckered by someone not telling the truth. I will be the first one to say that Mick Strider is a pretty nice guy in person, when he's not telling customers to lick his sack and all. OBJECTION... Leading That said, the Elite Tier 1 and Tier 2 guys have been fooled more than once in the past. Just look at the guy busted as a phoney SEAL who was running the museum.

One... in order to be a customer, you have to buy something. Until then you are a shopper. Again you take one part truth and spin it your way. Look at who he said "Lick my sack" to. He was speaking to certain group who have sought out to destroy him, not his customers.

Mick Strider is a pretty nice guy in person,

Well I take it you are too... Just like all these other Chicken Shit bastards who spew this all over the net. They see Mick at a show and they are all tongue to asshole.

Again, what do you have to gain in all this? You obviously have a vested interest.

Nothing personal Spark, but this stuff here is all I have to know you by and it's not very becoming.

 

[STR]

See there. I read heavy hitters as nothing more than a term used to describe some heavy thugs. It could be relating to a gang, to a couple professional car thieves, or petty theft types, or it could just be a bunch of idiots on enough alcohol and other illicit drugs to indicate some heavy drug users for that matter. I don't see anymore justification to read special ops people there than I do any of the ones I mentioned. I do think its obvious he was referring to civilians though.

STR

 

[Boats]

That's what Mick wrote yes. Does that sound at all plausible? He knew he was getting arrested for stealing a car, and he just tells the FBI he had a gun? This is our hard-rolling operator?

And come on, doing black ops in California? The governement couldn't pop for a car rental so they task Mick with stealing a car? And rather than just hotwire a car in a mall parking lot like any normal car thief, he goes to a dealership and face-to-face steals a car? OPSEC anyone?

Go over to Badlands and see what happens to someone who tries to question Mick and get some direct answers. He doesn't answer there, and all his friends say no one has a right to question him.

Look at the facts Spark has presented. None of them have been contested. Until that happens, I see no reason to give Mr. Strider the benefit of anything.

Lord knows that gator68 and I agree about precious little, but he is absolutely correct that even people who put the questions directly to Mick in a forum he controls, get no straight answers for their efforts and get shouted down to boot. Just ask "Bandaidman" from over there. He was a member, albeit a rather quiet one by his post count. He asked for a a straight explanation after jbravo got himself skewered on a $500.00 bet about Mick's "inflated" status as a combat veteran. He got directed to know his lane and stay in it, which was just more macho posturing typical of the Strider crowd.

On that note, Freedom of Information Act request number one goes out to the Bureau of Prisons this week to get the exact incarceration itinerary of Mick.

Next week will be letters to the appropriate folks at Justice, looking for any records on the alleged Somalia plea bargain or an explanatory letter about how such is simply not done.

 

[NousDefions]

True enough. Then again, there's two ways to interpret "heavy hitters" - elite Tier 1 style Special Operations commandos like CAG or DEVGRU, since they are the only ones who'd be tasked with operating as a civilian, or criminal gangs. Criminal gangs doing work that was "good" doesn't quite pass the smell test. But hey, it's just another lie man, let's give him another chance, maybe he'll change his ways (until the next lie). And why would he be sentenced to Somalia if he didn't have some special skills?

Tell me, what do you know of these units? It sounds like an awful lot.

Mr. Strider stated that, had he gone to Somalia, it would NOT be in the capacity as a Ranger. I don't know of any special skills, other than the completion of OSUT, that are required to be an infantryman. But remember, he never went to Somalia, and you have no way to prove that he wasn't told by a prosecutor that he would be.

So, I'm safe in assuming that your posted FACT that Mick claimed to be working in Black Ops during commission of a felony was merely CONJECTURE?

 

[wolfmann601]

Go back and read what I wrote, I said a contract between Pros and Def, not judge and the judge can disregard. Knowing what is being done doesn't mean you are deciding. We are discussing a specific case here, the sentencing guidelines had been in place for 5 or 6 years and Mick explanations just does not hold water.

So now you're saying a dismissed case is the same as a plea bargain?

And I guess since I had to pass an exam to practice law and I have been there doing it means I'm full of it?

No silly, as a Lawyer who handles Criminal cases you should know what I wrote. Charges are Nol-prosed and new Complaints substituted to circumvent sentencing requirements.

Now Please stay on topic and utilize your 17 years of Lawyering to get the definitive answers for us concerning Mmick. I would think you would have contacts all over the place.

As for me, I am just a lowly crippled Cop who knows nothing and takes Mondays off (and sometimes Tuesdays, weds and Thurs). I enjoyed hijacking this thread but I have had enough.

Oh, BTW is it you writing me those stupid E-mails?

 

[roughedges]

Back in the day, I worked with a group of hard hitting fuckers….no doubt. We did a lot of work. Some good, some less than.

I read this statement and its like trying to see the bottom through churning murky water.

regardless of whatever else is true or untrue in this thread, there is no doubt in my mind that mick strider is a master of obfuscation.

 

[wolfmann601]

Now I am really confused. If there was no Carjacking involved, just a guy sliding over the console and driving away why the Federal Charges? I have chased stolen vehicles into another State and there were times the actor was armed. Not once did the Feds get involved, heck they did not give a shiit. They would have laughed and made me the brunt of their jokes had I taken a guy who stole a car (armed or not) intol another State before the US District Court. They all generally got reduced in State Court with alot less than five years.

What am I missing? Once someone can answer that I will go watch soap Operas. They don't involve reading!!!!

 

[Boats]

Tell me, what do you know of these units? It sounds like an awful lot.

Mr. Strider stated that, had he gone to Somalia, it would NOT be in the capacity as a Ranger. I don't know of any special skills, other than the completion of OSUT, that are required to be an infantryman. But remember, he never went to Somalia, and you have no way to prove that he wasn't told by a prosecutor that he would be.

So, I'm safe in assuming that your posted FACT that Mick claimed to be working in Black Ops during commission of a felony was merely CONJECTURE?

I'm working on that bolded one later this month. Gotta clear the decks a little before the broadside is fired.

 

[Spark]

Not current, I'm a was. I do other cool shit now. Carjacking. Thats a loaded question, because that's NOT what happened.

Excuse me? That's exactly what happened according to court documents. When the court documents show Mick Strider pleading guilty to ARMED CARJACKING, please don't insult my intelligence and say it didn't happen.

Again with the misinformation. Honestly Spark, either ask Mick yourself or continue with your illegitimate lynching.

Mick Strider has been asked on BadlandsForums about his combat record. He didn't answer. Balls back in your court.

And yes, its not ok to lie about your record. CASE IN POINT.

Thank you much for agreeing.

Yes, you are incorrect in the "crime" which was bullshit. I only have a couple of the particulars in the case, and out of respect to Mr. Willis, I won't expound on that. They weren't stealing Govt' NSN items. That had nothing to do with the one person (to my knowledge) that served any time.

Ok, so please, elaborate. I'd like to know why Mick Strider, a convicted felon, is around another guy suddenly convicted of a felony and put in prison? You said they operated out of the same shop?

You are speaking dishonestly of a person I know, so me coming here and saying that he isn't a bad guy is vitriol?

If I have made a single dishonest claim, show me and back up your statement. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.

Well I take it you are too... Just like all these other Chicken Shit bastards who spew this all over the net. They see Mick at a show and they are all tongue to asshole.

I find it amazing that Mick is refusing to even say when he got out of the Army, and I'm the "chickenshit". I'm putting my business and my personal reputation on the line here by standing up and calling Mick Strider out on his lies. How about you put your money where your mouth is, and grab your own sack?

Let me ask you something, if all of this is bullshit, if I'm lying or saying anything untrue, that makes me liable to be sued. So far, 4 days later, I don't even have a cease and desist letter from Mick Strider's attorney. He won't even provide a single date of service, not his enlistment, or his exit. WHy is that? Because it will just be another piece of evidence against him?

 

[NousDefions]

Let me ask you something, if all of this is bullshit, if I'm lying or saying anything untrue, that makes me liable to be sued. So far, 4 days later, I don't even have a cease and desist letter from Mick Strider's attorney. He won't even provide a single date of service, not his enlistment, or his exit. WHy is that? Because it will just be another piece of evidence against him?

I'd assume because, since you hold him up to be a public figure, he wouldn't have a case for libel against you.

But I'm no lawyer.

 

[Boats]

I read this statement and its like trying to see the bottom through churning murky water.

regardless of whatever else is true or untrue in this thread, there is no doubt in my mind that mick strider is a master of obfuscation.

In 1993, a cracked commando was sent to prison by a lying court for a crime he sorta didn't commit. This man promptly escaped to a maximum security alternate reality and eventually to the San Marcos underground. Today, still haunted by the government, in his mind, he survives as a faux soldier of fortune on the internet. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire...the Dx-Team.

 

[SkunkWerX]

In terms of Charges versus Convictions. You may be charged with XYZ, but be covicted of X&Y , but not Z. Be advised that 5 years in prison is not for stealing candy. We are talking about a serious crime.

As far as Fed involvement that can happen in several ways.
The vehicle in question was driven across a state line, that is one way.
Another way is that some crimes are automatically elevated to Federal status, I distinctly remember carjacking being one of them, based on the dramatic increase in violent car jackings, however, I cannot put a timeframe to this part of it, so, take it with a grain fo salt.
I'm not saying he was found guilty of "violent" carjacking, butm, perhaps was charged that way, elevating it to a federal offense?
*Clarification: Those are just some ways it could be handled federally, I am not inferring they were the exact reasons. Just responding to the question posed.

Now, in terms of "getting a bad rap" for telling the truth about possessing a weapon". I find it disturbing that anyone would broach that subject, as if he should have kept his mouth shut? pahleeze.

I'm not attacking or defending, but looking at this rationally, from a debate perspective. If anything, a supporter of the person in question should be jumping up and citing that he, indeed, told the truth, in this given situation, and it is well documented. That would be a much better defensive maneuver.

If you would like to see the various things a person can be charged with while in possession of a firearm, check this list.
http://legis.state.sd.us/statutes/DisplayStatute.aspx?Type=Statute&Statute=22-14
edit: ooops, that was only for South Dakota...doh, but I won't remove it for fear of hiding something.
You get the idea of the types of crimes assocaited with posessing a firearm.
Sorry for the distraction.

 

[Spark]

I'd assume because, since you hold him up to be a public figure, he wouldn't have a case for libel against you.

But I'm no lawyer.

Public figures can easily sue others for libel. It happens all the time.

 

[geegee]

I'm currently unemployed, and I can barely find time to keep up with this. Damn, what a thread. It really makes me wonder though, if anyone (despite all the info provided here) has actually come around to the opposing side since this began? My guess is probably not.

 

[digitalrebelttu]

No silly, as a Lawyer who handles Criminal cases you should know what I wrote. Charges are Nol-prosed and new Complaints substituted to circumvent sentencing requirements.

Now Please stay on topic and utilize your 17 years of Lawyering to get the definitive answers for us concerning Mmick. I would think you would have contacts all over the place.

As for me, I am just a lowly crippled Cop who knows nothing and takes Mondays off (and sometimes Tuesdays, weds and Thurs). I enjoyed hijacking this thread but I have had enough.

Oh, BTW is it you writing me those stupid E-mails?

No, I am not emailing and with such a pleasent personality and poor reading comprehension skills, I'm done with you. Since you're telling us that feds don't prosecute car jacking, perhaps you can go tell Mick that since he plead guilty to it and spent 5 years in prison for it. Bye

 

[SkunkWerX]

From the net:

President George Bush signed the act into law on October 25, 1992. The statute's provision regarding car-jacking was as follows:

Whoever, possessing a firearm, as defined in section 921 of this title, takes a motor vehicle that has been transported, shipped or received in interstate or foreign commerce from the person or presence of another by force and violence or by intimidation, or attempts to do so, shall—1) be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both. 2) If serious bodily injury … results, be fined under this title or be imprisoned not more than 25 years, or both, and 3) if death results, be fined under this title or imprisoned for any number of years up to life, or both.