Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Since Chuck has a life and I am stuck here at work I will say it for him.

Please refrain from the personal insults. No matter which side you are on it makes you look bad. Please keep it on topic. This thread is not about Strider knives, their manufacture or usability.

Thanks folks this thread is long enough without childish BS being added to try and detract from either side.
 
The steel and sheath (and other related costs) are probably closer to $50 after all of the outside operations like laser/water cutting, grinding, heat treat and shipping the blades all over the country. The steel alone is $14+ a pound in large quantity. They use a top quality sheath from Eagle on may of their knives and do pay for good heat treat and grinding from what I have examined.

On the flat/saber ground production pieces Strider blasts/stripes,affixes handles, sharpens and packages. All other operations are done somewhere else. Except on their one off pieces which are usually hollow ground.

Strider wisely met the demand of the market---people wanted a quality knife in the $300 bracket with various features and benefits and Strider delivered the goods.
As i have previouly stated, I grudgingly admit that they have done an excelent job of growing their company by finding a nuche and working hard to fill it. I reiterate my previous "pie hole" remark. I was truly offended by his alleged misrepresentations of his service record, etc and ranted a bit, but now I have gotten a bit of focus back. Incidentally, I didn't know that they didn't grind their own blades in house.
 
Is that true Spark? Have you been cooking this for a while waiting for the right moment? Why are you interested in not giving him a chance to defend, I would love to read a Mick post here.

Mick is a member here and if he so chooses can reply all he wants. I don't see that happening though.
 
yep it does, I dont have proof that it did or did not happen
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I know I for one would like to see some sort of closure on this, but no one in the Kevin LT camp have very many facts that they can prove. It all boils down to he said she said.
So unless someone can get proof one way or another its all stuck where we are at now.

I did just get off the phone with a representative of the POWNET about how their claims are portrayed, and I waiting for contact from the USARA to see what they are doing. And I have another call in to the prez of the 75th RAA. My complaint to them is if they think that Mick is a phony then they need to post some unbiased facts not spew the same old Kevin LT crap. I asked them how does it look for your organization to appear to be grinding the axe for competitors in a very lucrative business.

I agree with you on this. Unfortunatly the only one who can answer and end this dosn't seem inclined to. I would love to hear what you find out with your inquiries.
 
You should change your handle to Cliff's Notes.

Spark made a mistake approaching Ray Gun McClung.

Still, because of the puppy's outsized ego, there was no element of surprise, and, not surprisingly, still no effective Strider defense anyways.

Go figure.:confused:

NO....he made a mistake trusting a guy who he thought was a co-conspirator in taking down a RANGER.....Oh... did I say RANGER.... ( Wasn't that the focus)......Did you ever wonder why the T.A.G. guy didn't have his attorney file a subpoena to a non-party in the litigation for Mick Striders DD-214 ( It's common practice in litigation), it was much more fun to leave it hanging don't you think....I would love to pour over the "filed copies" of the dismissal or settlement entered by the court in that case....Further, somebody should run over to POW.NETWORK and have them make a clear and concise posting on Mr.Burger...And for the E record, I have read many of your posts in other threads and find you to be pretty thoughtful man....
 
NO....he made a mistake trusting a guy who he thought was a co-conspirator in taking down a RANGER.....Oh... did I say RANGER.... ( Wasn't that the focus)......Did you ever wonder why the T.A.G. guy didn't have his attorney file a subpoena to a non-party in the litigation for Mick Striders DD-214 ( It's common practice in litigation), it was much more fun to leave it hanging don't you think....I would love to pour over the "filed copies" of the dismissal or settlement entered by the court in that case....Further, somebody should run over to POW.NETWORK and have them make a clear and concise posting on Mr.Burger...And for the E record, I have read many of your posts in other threads and find you to be pretty thoughtful man....
Because it is better to whack your opponent with a motion to compel or a contempt motion for failing to provide it during discovery......costs the same, but it's a LOT more fun......lol.
 
However, I didn't know that they didn't grind their own blades in house.
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There are other "boutique" knife companies that may or may not (depending on the model) grind their own blades. It has to do with economy of scale. A good used automated grinding machine can cost 100K and then you have to learn how to use it. It seems all of their flat ground knives are done on automated machines and the hollow ground knives (their "customs") are hand ground. You can see the difference in the knives when held side by side. The plunges are different and the flat ground pieces will sometimes show striations from the grinder that don't finish off 100% after sandblasting. Keep in mind that automated machine time is expensive, but if you are making thousands of knives (and they are) it usually turns out to be somewhere between $5-$10 knife depending on blade length, thickness, steel, etc.
 
I would love to pour over the "filed copies" of the dismissal or settlement entered by the court in that case.

From what I have read posted on Badlands by Mick himself, he agreed to pay $15,000.00 and to sign the papers instead of taking the chance of ending up back in jail. So it would appear that there was no dismissal. I also wonder why Mick would be worried about going to jail from a civil case?
 
NO....he made a mistake trusting a guy who he thought was a co-conspirator in taking down a RANGER.....Oh... did I say RANGER.... ( Wasn't that the focus)

Most of us more thoughtful types have long since made peace with the FACT that Mick was in the 2/75 for just over two months.

......Did you ever wonder why the T.A.G. guy didn't have his attorney file a subpoena to a non-party in the litigation for Mick Striders DD-214 ( It's common practice in litigation)

Every other veteran I know, who is proud of his/her service, can readily produce their DD-214 within the 30 days customarily given on a first request for production. Mine is in my gun safe.

it was much more fun to leave it hanging don't you think....I would love to pour over the "filed copies" of the dismissal or settlement entered by the court in that case....

That settlement was the apology of Mick Strider and the allocutions that he never deployed, never saw combat time for Uncle Sam, and other embarrassing tidbits.

Further, somebody should run over to POW.NETWORK and have them make a clear and concise posting on Mr.Burger...

Why not do it yourself?

And for the E record, I have read many of your posts in other threads and find you to be pretty thoughtful man....

Well, thanks, but I have no toleration for secret squirrel bullshit that doesn't make sense.
 
Something I think we are missing that speaks volumes. This thread has been going since last week. If someone were making wild allegations defaming me, I'd have had a restraining order served on Monday and the thread would be gone. Yet here we are, 59 pages later, without a peep from a lawyer.

Draw your own conclusions.

Gene
 
Because it is better to whack your opponent with a motion to compel or a contempt motion for failing to provide it during discovery......costs the same, but it's a LOT more fun......lol.

If the defendant received a request to produce a specific document that could be held by another party,you could send opposing counsel an answer to his discovery request and state that defendant does not possess the responsive document but that plaintiff could get it from the government, and then your motion to compel would be a non-starter....
 
Look, some people may be suspicious b/c you are new but I'll let you in on the CS guy- that's Lynn Thompson. Be very careful what you say about him- he can kick your butt faster than Chuck Norris (more like 2 Chuck Norris' in one). He'll shove a spear up your butt, a tomahawk in your skull and then cut you up like a side of beef on a meathook- the whipping would be so profound that it might make it to a video. So you need to be careful of him, Jack Bauer wets himself at the mention of LT. Now you know.


wow, i will remember that one for sure lol, speak for yourself, lol. imho he's a dork and he couldnt whip my mommie..

i wont even go into anything about mclung, imho his rep is pretty well known to all anyway, if he told me the sun was gonna rise in the morning i would go check it out at 6AM.

i will say i have been checking out BF for probably 8 yrs now and i dont recall ever seeing another thread like this one, one that grew so fast with so many views/posts, must say its something else.

well to the gist of things, i would say mick lied about a lot of things, and thats wrong to lie about military experiences and i for one dont know why folks do that, low self esteem?? i know my father saw as much action in WW2 as most anyone and he rarely, if ever spoke of his experiences, which is imho how the great majority of vets act in this regard, so no its not right.

now is this all news to me?? of course not most/if not all of this has been floating around for yrs now, dont suppose its ever been gathered up all in one spot though before. but really not a lot of news here, at least not to me.

will i sell all my striders now?? no. will i buy more?? possibly. would i want combat training by mick? no. would i want to learn to grind knives from him?? yes.

but really, all in all, its not a biggie to me, i dont have a dog in this race, its up to mick to defend himself, not me, and he aint gonna come here and do that so forget that. this isnt a court of law anyway.

its kinda funny all the anti MS folks complain that MS's folks are "coming here to cause trouble" etc, they are just as spitefull and mean and single minded as the MS defenders, i have seen posts of folks saying incredibly rude things to ira, who imho doesnt deserve that, and others too. and bashing other forums, calling them names, i dont think any other forum unanimously agrees with anyone about anything, they are just as divided on this as BF is, ya all need to remember that we are all knife collectors and show everyone a little respect anyway. this whole thing makes me feel dirty. and sad.

but spark's info is pretty solid, i dont think much of it can be argued, he lied about it, and thats that.

whats the repercussions for SKI?? i hope nothing too bad, there are lots of good folks working there, but ya cant help but think this isnt good pub, irregardless of the old "any pub is good pub", this is not good pub. i am sure this will hurt them.

i must try and make the next show, it'll be interesting to see how all these varied folks are gonna do in public together because there is plenty of hurt feelings and anger to go around i bet..

another chapter in "the days of our knives" lol.
 
If the defendant received a request to produce a specific document that could be held by another party,you could send opposing counsel an answer to his discovery request and state that defendant does not possess the responsive document but that plaintiff could get it from the government, and then your motion to compel would be a non-starter....

That's true, save for a couple of facts:

Mick Strider had published a DD214 online in July 2005, right before the lawsuit.

Chris Osman didn't need Mick's DD-214 to prove Mick lied about him, but Mick needed it to defend any counter claims. Why subpoena it? It would be better to make Strider look like an ass in court for not having his when Osman had two.
 
Something I think we are missing that speaks volumes. This thread has been going since last week. If someone were making wild allegations defaming me, I'd have had a restraining order served on Monday and the thread would be gone. Yet here we are, 59 pages later, without a peep from a lawyer.

Draw your own conclusions.

Gene

Do you know how expensive litigation is?...Don't threaten litigation unless you have the bucks...This would not be a contingency fee case. I'm sure it would be a 25,000.00 dollar retainer just to start with....It speaks nothing to me really, If he could show losses to his income then maybe it would be worth pursuing...But rest assured, if the defendant could show that the planitiffs income was even or had increased, what would be your actual damages ? You can lose the case but owe really nothing.
 
Do you know how expensive litigation is?...Don't threaten litigation unless you have the bucks...This would not be a contingency fee case. I'm sure it would be a 25,000.00 dollar retainer just to start with....It speaks nothing to me really, If he could show losses to his income then maybe it would be worth pursuing...But rest assured, if the defendant could could show that the planitiffs income was even or had increased, what would be your actual damages be? You can lose the case but owe really nothing.

I believe you misread what was posted. He said nothing about a lawsuit. He said a restraining order. They are inexpensive and not that hard to get as long as you can prove to the judge why you should be granted one.
 
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Oh, I'm sorry, so because someone else gets away with it, we should give Mick Strider a pass? That's a hell of a double standard sir. .

No it is not an excuse for other bad behavior but a little fair play in this area regarding the two people mentioned sure would lend a little more credit to your stated purpose of wanting to get the truth out. Incidentally the same unbelievable sole purpose was stated for digging this same trash on TF a year or more ago. I didn't buy it as their noble purpose then either!

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By all means, if you can document in detail Mad Dog telling such spurious statements about his career, feel free to post a nice big thread on it. Be sure to make sure you have liberal citations and direct quotations from the man himself..

Now I am sure you know as well as many of the main players here that the above individual is the master at edit and delete on his own forum. I would wager that the contrasting threads where he claimed to be a 'professional soldier' ,my paraphrase because I don't remember the exact term used, then when questioned about background later went on to clarify that he was involved in selling equipment to LEO's for a company named Ninja co have long been corrected. It is a pretty far stretch from being an equipment salesman to being an operator. I don't believe he actually claimed to be in the military just that selling LEO equipment made him a tactical God.
 
From what I have read posted on Badlands by Mick himself, he agreed to pay $15,000.00 and to sign the papers instead of taking the chance of ending up back in jail. So it would appear that there was no dismissal. I also wonder why Mick would be worried about going to jail from a civil case?

Wow....For California....$15,000.00 dollars is cheap!...He may not think so, but thats a great outcome for a defendant.
 
Originally Posted by Keith Montgomery
From what I have read posted on Badlands by Mick himself, he agreed to pay $15,000.00 and to sign the papers instead of taking the chance of ending up back in jail. So it would appear that there was no dismissal. I also wonder why Mick would be worried about going to jail from a civil case?

Wow....For California....$15,000.00 dollars is cheap!...He may not think so, but thats a great outcome for a defendant.

So what you are saying is that in order to save money you would allacute to statements that would cast you as a lier, a poser and one with no honor. The money in that case was not the point, it probably covered the court costs. What was important to Chris was making Mick step up and prove his statements. He didn't he allacuted to everything. Read the court documents.
 
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