Mike Turber banned by Reed Exhibitions

To Mr. Bryan, first I'd like to say. If you have an interest in knives, become a regular. This is a great place to learn about our hobby .

Now, on to the real reason I'm hear. In your last post, (it seems to me) if Mr. Turber had privately contacted Joy Ent. this could have all been settled "peacefully" .? They (Joy) would have stopped selling these "knock-offs" ? Or would they have said these are Mr. Tan's designs.
Which brings me to this, who is this Mr. Tan .? It would be great if someone other than yourself and Joy has heard of him. Until the knife community has proof he is real, the whole thing is suspicious at best.
 
You have got to be shitting me. These people are sueing Turber and they are the low rent vermon selling the knock off's? F*** that BS.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
For those that want to hear the the other side of the story here are some threads:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=243594&highlight=knock+offs

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=244959&highlight=knock+offs

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=243945&highlight=joy+enterprises

I'll also agree with the statement above that if we could get money for being yelled at and having bad things said about us on the internet none of us would have to work.
 
Mr. Bryan-

You seem like a nice buy (your sense of humor is suspect... :)), and I'm sure you believe you're just "doing your job." Perhaps in civil court, you may be able to convince a knife-illiterate judge that Joy Enterprises does not sell knock-offs, but you will not convince anybody "in the knife business" or knife hobby otherwise. No offense, but I hope you lose this litigation-- you have no idea what kind of damage your client does to the knife industry.
 
I still have not heard Joy's side of the story other than what the Lawyer has to say.

If Joy can say:

"We truly believe every knife we are selling is authorized to be produced by the original designer..."

and

"We have reviewed every allegation that these designs are knockoffs and are completely sure that they are not..."

then I will be shocked.

Mr. Bryan, I for one appreciate you taking the time to answer our questions. While I do not feel that it is a good PR strategy, at least you demonstrate you are not just trolling for responses. You stated this:

As a non-member of your community, I apologize again for taking the time to understand your interests and will butt out of your boards, unless someone asks me for information or some reply.
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First, you are as much a member as I. Second I have a question for you...

Can you honestly say that, in your OPINION, Joy has done no wrong? Maybe not necessarily "legal" wrong, but do you honestly believe that they are not selling designs that were substantially if not totally copied off of another maker's design?

Do you honestly believe that Mr. Tan is telling the truth or even that Joy is telling YOU the truth about a "Mr. Tan?" Don't you think that the representative removing specific blades from the table is a little fishy?

Again, I am not asking for a legal, absolute answer as to whether or not Joy has done something technically "wrong" according to the letter of the law.

I'm asking you, person to person, about your subjective gut-instinct here. That certainly doesn't matter in the court of law but it matters in the court of public opinion (here) that Joy seems to be concerned about.

If you can give us a straight and honest answer with little wiggle-ease, I will have much more respect for you and your firm. If your answer is more towards "I don't know about that..." or "I really haven't looked into the issue," then can you comment as to why you don't think that doing such research is appropriate or important? Such research would help underscore the credibility of your client that you are clearly interested in maintaining or reestablishing.

To me, there seems to be two distinct issues. That of a person talking smack about a company and that of a company knocking off knives. I realize that the suit is related to the former, but I am asking about the latter, which is more important to me.

I give an honest THANK YOU for your time answering this!

cheers,
Erik
 
Originally posted by John Bryan
Mr. Turber made public statements in this arena that were defamatory to a client I represent and those statements have greatly harmed my client.
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And Ripping off Mikes designs does'nt harm him and his business?:rolleyes:

I'd like to see how many people are going to buy from Joy Enterprises after sueing our friend Mike Turber. Not that anyone around here would consider buying them anyways:barf: , and definately not after this BS.


I would'nt take one of Joy's knives if you paid me $5 dollars.....
 
Further evidence of the "Death of Common Sense."

Based on what I read in "the other thread," I guess one could make a case that Mike violated certain trade show rules and should be held accountable for his actions. But, Sheesh!, you would think (knife) trade show organizers would instead consider banning exhibitors from selling (alleged?) "gray and/or black" market goods rather than ban a whistleblower trying to bring light to an unfair situation. Don't kill the messenger. :confused:
 
Mike,

You've got my moral support & encouragement. Whilst I don't know all the facts, the picture posted showing the woman "removing" the knives laid out on the table does SEEM to show knock-offs. If you haven't already got yourself an attorney, I would strongly urge you to engage one now. There are legal defenses to an action for defamation, such as fair comment, justification etc, and I think you would not have a problem proving that (or would you?). On your being barred from the exhibitions, you could possibly write to Reed and state the FACTS as you know it.

I hope all knifemakers who had their designs ripped off, or traded, or sold, will BAND TOGETHER and join Mike in a class/group action against the companies/persons (1) selling knock-offs, (2) manufacturing knock-offs, (3) allowing knock-offs to be sold within their "controlled premises".

As for the last category, I'm sure Reed would not want to be linked to the last category.

Good luck, Mike.

Regards,
Spyken
 
Thanks all. This has been the best comic strip I have read in a long time. I can't imagine any attorney arguing his position on a pending legal action on a knife forum with a bunch of knife nuts for the jury. This has got to be a joke.
 
imho if the guy is a lawyer, he must not be very busy, w/all the time to post on the net to defend his client, i know several and NONE of them would get on a forum on the net and try thier case, lol, very unproffesional imho, i wouldnt want him for anything serious, i tell ya, imho this is all BS from someone.........like maybe the joy people???

greg
 
This whole thing is truly one of the most bizarre spectacles I've ever witnessed in any industry. SOunds like a case perfect for Judy Judy or even Jerry Springer...

"Battle of the Bottom Feeders...tune in to see who will next do the bizarre and unexpected in the case of Joy v. Turber"

"You've been sleeping with MY KNIFEMAKER!!!"

"Beotch! It's his clone you moron, not him! Albeit a cheap clone."

"What do you mean cheap cologne?! I spent $1.98 on this, freak! And I smell good!"

"You stink!"

SLAP! PUNCH!



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Hey, not for nothing, but why isn't mike Turber going after Phantom Knives for blatantly copying the design of the Chinese police knife?

Just a related tangent thought...
 
Screw the courts, we the knife buying public can settle this crap....everybody simply quit buying stolen designs and rip-offs.

In the last month, I have encountered rip-offs of both TOPS and Chris Reeves Sebenza..was I tempted by the lower price, yeah but because of reading posts in this forum by knife makers who have had their designs stolen, I passed on both knives, and have adopted a new policy of not buying ANY blades from vendors who sell unliscensed copies.

These guys put their hearts and souls into designing these blades, we owe it to them to stand with them!!!
 
While I really wish that we could hae that type of impact, I dont know that we here on the forums constitute that large of a percentage of the customers of the manufaturers of knockoffs. It is a start though.
 
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