Mike Turber banned by Reed Exhibitions

:rolleyes:
Damn where have I been. This is the first time I have seen this thread. Just too damn late to reply to it tonight or maybe I shouldn't?

I will think about this over night but I will say this.

Mr. Bryan, Again I advise you to have your client stop the law suit you claim to have filed. I will change my web site in due time to reflect my FAX number but at this time I am not sure why you need my fax number as you have posted everything here.

Funny how not one person I know and even don't know seems to get ahold of me each and every day but you and your process servers can't seem to find me? That is just TOO DAMN FUNNY.

I tell you what, you drop your law suit and contact REED and apologize for you incredible error and lack of good judgement.

I am sure the Florida bar will find your actions here somewhat lacking.

I will not personally attack you as it would break the very first rule that I created for this web site!

I stand behind everything I said as it is 100% the truth. And guess what Mr. Brian, I can PROOVE it. Heck this very thread prooves it.

I will post more soon.
 
Originally posted by Dijos
What A load of Crap! Maybe other mfg's who support mike can boycott..
BBBwwwaaahahahah Who!! the Chinese Knock off mfg's. He would have a better chance of this lawsuit going away.
 
are lawyers engaged in a legal contest allowed to air their case in a public forum like this? Doesn't that sort of legally shoot themselves in a foot?
Where's jsmatos on this one?

Just curious, as I work for a law firm and these guys tend to shy away from any publicity...
 
Can't someone ban "Mr Bryan" ?
 
It seems to me this whole thing would have completely blown over a long time ago if Joy would have taken the high road and just paid the designers etc., what they deserve as it appears Master Cutlery is going to do, probably would have been a lot cheaper than a lawsuit and a whole lot better public relations...

BlackeyeforU....without the first lawyer we wouldn't have needed all the subsequent ones....:D
 
are lawyers engaged in a legal contest allowed to air their case in a public forum like this? Doesn't that sort of legally shoot themselves in a foot?
Where's jsmatos on this one?

Just curious, as I work for a law firm and these guys tend to shy away from any publicity...

In my experience, Mr. Bryans behavior is uncharacteristic of his profession, yes.

My sainted father used to say, "If you're doing something different than everyone else, you're either a genious or a fool."

In this case, it is Mr. Bryan's perogative to conduct his business and that of his client as he sees fit. I won't pass judgement as to genious or fool.



Can't someone ban "Mr Bryan" ?

What for?

Unlike certain other forums, we don't ban people just because they're unpopular.
 
I've seen no reason to ban Mr. Bryan either. I personally think he has acted very admirably considering some of the other crap that members have posetd in this thread. I don't support Joy Enterprises, and I believe they do sell knockoff's of knives, but that doesn't reflect on Mr Bryan's actions here.
 
"I personally think he has acted very admirably considering some of the other crap that members have posetd in this thread."

Me too.
 
Mr. Bryan,

I have already stated my side of this issue and answered each point in your outlandish law suit on the other thread.

You are now taking on the offensive, don't ya think?

You have me banned from the Shot Show through 2004. Does this not constitute a measurable amount of damage to my company? Are your actions here ethical or perhaps even legal?

Are you actions possibly against the rules of the Florida Bar?

Well let's see. Below is Rule 4-3.4 of the Florida bar. Pay close attention to this rule and in particular section (g).

RULE 4-3.4 FAIRNESS TO OPPOSING PARTY AND COUNSEL
A lawyer shall not:
(a) unlawfully obstruct another party's access to evidence or otherwise unlawfully alter, destroy, or conceal a document or other material that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know is relevant to a pending or a reasonably foreseeable proceeding; nor counsel or assist another person to do any such act.
(b) fabricate evidence, counsel or assist a witness to testify falsely, or offer an inducement to a witness, except a lawyer may pay a witness reasonable expenses incurred by the witness in attending or testifying at proceedings; a reasonable, noncontingent fee for professional services of an expert witness; and reasonable compensation to reimburse a witness for the loss of compensation incurred by reason of preparing for, attending, or testifying at proceedings.
(c) knowingly disobey an obligation under the rules of a tribunal except for an open refusal based on an assertion that no valid obligation exists.
(d) in pretrial procedure, make a frivolous discovery request or intentionally fail to comply with a legally proper discovery request by an opposing party.
(e) in trial, allude to any matter that the lawyer does not reasonably believe is relevant or that will not be supported by admissible evidence, assert personal knowledge of facts in issue except when testifying as a witness, or state a personal opinion as to the justness of a cause, the credibility of a witness, the culpability of a civil litigant, or the guilt or innocence of an accused.
(f) request a person other than a client to refrain from voluntarily giving relevant information to another party unless:
(1) the person is a relative or an employee or other agent of a client, and
(2) it is reasonable to believe that the person's interests will not be adversely affected by refraining from giving such information.
(g) present, participate in presenting, or threaten to present criminal charges solely to obtain an advantage in a civil matter.
(h) present, participate in presenting, or threaten to present disciplinary charges under these rules solely to obtain an advantage in a civil matter.

It is clear to me, and many of the members here, that you came here to obtain some sort of advantage in your pending civil matter. You can claim you were defending your client but who are you defending the client from? Me? Well guess what Mr. Bryan, I created this site and I have an inherent right to say what I want in here. And this site is private property, even though it can be viewed by the public. As to slander and libel that you claim I have done you first have to prove that what I said was not fact. Good luck!

It gets more interesting Mr. Bryan,

RULE 4-4.4 RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF THIRD PERSONS
In representing a client, a lawyer shall not use means that have no substantial purpose other than to embarrass, delay, or burden a third person or knowingly use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of such a person.

Now I can somewhat understand your previous post. You can possibly claim it was to defend your client. But what about this post Mr. Bryan? This post was placed here for no other reason than to try to embarrass me. Perhaps I have gotten under your skin? But that will be for the bar and members to decide. Again, Good Luck!

RULE 4-3.6 TRIAL PUBLICITY
(a) Prejudicial Extrajudicial Statements Prohibited. A lawyer shall not make an extrajudicial statement that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication if the lawyer knows or reasonably should know that it will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding due to its creation of an imminent and substantial detrimental effect on that proceeding.
(b) Statements of Third Parties. A lawyer shall not counsel or assist another person to make such a statement. Counsel shall exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, employees, or other persons assisting in or associated with a case from making extrajudicial statements that are prohibited under this rule.

I would say that your actions here on BladeForums are a clear definition of section (a) above. Would any reasonable person expect to have this thread posted here for any reason other than to embarrass me? There is obviously no other clear explanation for this thread, is there? I mean you are under no obligation from REED to report here that I am banned from the Shot Show? You are not a reporter or even a knife enthusiast. Your only posts here are in regards to this pending litigation you have against me.

So what are your intentions here Mr. Bryan?

Remember Mr. Bryan I am not bound by the rules you are. I can express myself in any way I see fit and as long as I don't break the rules, I CREATED, for this very forum. I have not personally attacked you in any way or made you look like an idiot. You are doing a wonderful job of that yourself and need no help from me.

Should anyone feel that Mr. Bryan has broken the rules of the Florida Bar, as outlined above, there is something you can do. You can file a complaint with the Florida Bar and a link to the proper form is below. There are things you can do folks, again this is your chance.

Click here if you would like to file a complain against Mr. Bryan with the Florida Bar

I have never asked anyone here for any direct help. Filing a complaint against Mr. Bryan is one thing you can do if you feel I am in the right. My ways be a bit unusual and sometimes questionable but at least I am doing something. Now it is your turn. If BladeForums means anything to you guys and if you feel that it is time to take a stance against knock offs then now is your chance to do something. I know it is not directly your war but think about all the custom makers that are right here on this forum that each of you know and admire. These are the guys getting hurt the most.

So fill out the form in the link above if you feel Mr. Bryan has over stepped his bounds. It may be one small battle in this little war that we can actually win.
 
Mike,

I keep sending you mail regarding buying some blades from WOW, but I don't think they're reaching you. Could you drop me a line, please? Thanks.
 
As for the "rip off" issue. We all agree it SUCKS ! You take someone elses ideas directly and without permission, you manufacture them for your own gain and leaving nothing, not even simple recognition let alone a cut of the profits. That is robbery, pure and simple. It may be legal property or even intellectual property, doesn't matter which. It is still robbery pure and simple. You take money out of the mouths of the maker and his family for yourself, bottom line. I appear to have been ripped off by Joy as well or who ever is making these junk throw away knives and Joy peddling them. Do I feel cheated YES, can I do something about it ? I do not know. I can hope that Mr Turber succeeds in his suit against them as a defiant representation to all the knock off artists here and in China or Tawain or wherever that they SUCK and have no imagination and most of all have no real place in this Our Knife world. It would seem with the laws as they are as far as China and other countries who could give a crap about copywrite or trade mark laws areconcerened that our best and most direct option is to discourage potential knife enthusiasts at shows and stores and through magazine ads etc from buying these knives. Show them these are direct knock offs. That there are far better factory and custom knives made right here in the US and supporting people who've ventured out on their own to make a living in an art they love. To encourage the support of that art whether for collectors or combat SD purposes. Everyone here knows very well the difference between some junk throw away knock off cheapie with stainless liners that bend easily and fold under pressure. With no attntion to detail and CQ issues. With inferior materials and blade steels. No matter the low cost of these knives the average person will see if educated that if you spend a little moe, you'll get what you paid for. A great knife, hand made or factory made here in this country. A work of art, something to rely on. A superior tool with endurance and quality. Not to mention a warranty by either maker or manufacturer. There are great knife makers everywhere. Throughout Europe, Asia (Japan), South America. Canada and the most familiar great makers here in the US. We all have to do it. In each of our countries. When I was last in Europe, it was sooo dificult to buy a knife that was any good at all. The Chinese and Taiwanese knock offs were everywhere. Even Swiss Army knock offs in Switzerland ! WTF !!! Cheap, cheap, cheap. You get what you pay for and it is better to pay a heftier price for somethibg that will last a lifetime than for having to keep payin a low price for piece of junk after piece of junk. The knock off industry is huge with the criminal element, why ? because no criminal who's gonna use a knife to shank someone is gonna spend $300. on it only to throw it away. The either use screw dirvers, kitchen knives and now more and more commonly, these cheap ass knock offs. They look cooler than a kitchen knife, they appear toughr but are really not ! and they are more concealable than a kitchen knife. So, these criminals are buying them more and more often as they discover the tools of their trade. So, if they spend $5. - $15. to rob and/ orstab someone for their wallet or worse they won't mind losing it or leaving it behind. Tossing it into the river. Because, they just made a whole lot more than they spent when they used this junk to rob someone with. I have nothing contempt for these manufacturer's. I live in a high crime area and I have seen these thugs with these pieces of junk in their pockets and using them to intimidate the innocent. I have seen it all my life.
 
Side bar please.....:)


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
Effective immediately I have decided to discontinue the Mini-Raptor. We brought the Mini-Raptor design on board because we felt the design was that of David Winch's. It was already being produced by the factory we planned to do business with and felt that since it was already in the run we would do the right thing and bring it on with David's approval. The decision was mine that the design was David's as it was nearly identical to his Fire Brand model. No one contested this until recently when Joy Enterprises claimed it was Kevin Tan's design. Since no one in the world has ever heard of Kevin Tan and since I can not confirm it is actually David's design or Kevin's design, I am doing the right thing, right now and dropping the design. Once existing inventory is gone we will no longer carry this piece.

This not to say that Joy's pending law suit has any credence in regards to this model or any others. They had the Kerambit design by Liong Mah and the DOD series by Monty Fielding on their table. Those are 100% knock offs of the BOSS line, period. Monty was even at the Vegas show and viewed the knives for himself. He chose to not confront Joy at that time. We will have our day, another day ;)

Joy has been advised of the course of action I feel they should take. They have until April 10th to follow those directives. After that there will be no further discussions and the only concession I have and/or will make is in regards to the Mini-Raptor as I already have done. David Winch has already been paid for his design and there is not a royalty issue at hand. As far as the $1,000 prize originally offered to the first design to make it to market, that will split between Liong Mah and Monty Fielding as those are the only 2 designs I can 100% confirm are from those 2 designers.

Mr. Winch admitted the following to Joy's attorney. The text below is from an email sent to me by Mr. Bryan and it is written by Mr. Bryan.
Mr. Winch, by the way, advises me that he did not ever prepare any written design, but only a plexi, and that the plexi differs in several particulars from the knife you call the "mini-raptor".
This being the case I no longer feel that David's design is in fact a valid design by him. Again this is no fault of David's as it was my decision that the design was close enough to his design that I felt it was a knock off of his Fire Brand design. He agreed at the time but has apparently changed his mind and therefor no longer qualifies for the prize.

I am sure many of you are wondering what course of action I have given to Joy. Here is a copy of my last and final offer to Mr. Bryan.
I have thought about this long and hard and here is my final offer to you and your client.

I will agree, in writing, to remove and retract the information on BladeForums.com and apologize for my actions being possibly harsh and for using abusive words like "Thief". I will then further agree to not bother your client in any manner whatsoever. I will allow your client to sell the knife called Mini-raptor in my catalog and she can arrange anything with David Winch she wishes.

You and your client are to contact REED and retract your statements and have us reinstated with them so we can attend and sell at their shows.
Your client is not allowed to sell any item which appears in my catalog as shown on my web site except as those I authorize her to sell under my standard royalty agreement other than the Mini-Raptor above. I will give your client advance knowledge of new designs so she does not inadvertently order them from her supplier. You are to stop the law suit filed against me.

Should I be served the above offer is void.
The offer is valid until close of business Thursday April 10th 2003.

Nothing in this communication is to be considered an admission of guilt on my part. It is merely an offer to you and your client to end this matter before it goes beyond this point. The April 10th deadline is firm and I will not entertain anything beyond that date.

The last few months have been hard for me. The loss of my X-wife, my fiancee and more. I will entertain the thought that perhaps I am in depression. What I will not entertain is your client taking advantage of me in any way and I will fight to do what I know is right in my heart. You have until the 10th to do the right thing. After that I will not entertain anymore possible solutions and I have nothing left to lose. Your client has taken advantage of too many people, as you have now learned by the posts at BFC. She needs to change her ways as I have. I have never hurt her business in any way. She has made some outlandish claims, none of which are true or can be proven. I am tired and no longer wish to play her game. I will fight this to the very end if necessary. Hopefully she has the money and the fortitude to carry on this battle. Or she can do the right thing and end it right now. Otherwise may she face the consequences.


Do what you will.

I am trying to do the right thing here and what is right for me at the present time. I have too many projects going on right now to fight a drawn out protracted battle with Joy. But rest assured should it come to that end, Joy and her attorney will be in for one huge embarrassment. As you all know my tactics are questionable at times and I have my fair share of critics even here on the very site I created. That is fine, but what can not be argued as that over the years I have told the truth (accept for not charging dealers :) ) and I have offered each of you a very entertaining inside view of our industry. I have never lost any law suit and all have settled to my satisfaction in each and every case. Also let it be known I have never, ever in my life sued anyone. We will soon see if the last two sentences remain true.

In there claim they state:
At the Shot show, Defendant Michael Turber and the other representative of Defendant Boss Knives and Defendant WOW Inc. wrongfully and improperly stated that Joy Enterprises violated U.S. laws by selling knives which were “knock offs”.
Specifically, Defendant Michael Turber and/or Alton James as a representative of Defendant Boss Knives and/or Defendant WOW Inc. incorrectly asserted that Joy Enterprises had improperly copied the design of the Defendants’ knife model #21688. This statement was false at the time it was made.
The Mini-Raptor is assigned to that model number however we did not only reference that model. We pointed out the Kerambit and the DOD series as well and asked her to remove them from her table. She stated she did not know what knives we were talking about and quickly remembered when I took pictures of the knives as shown in the picture we all have seen. As to whether or not she sells knock offs, I 100% stand behind that statement and it can not be denied by her or her lawyer at this point. I will not advise the opposing attorney as to exactly what laws I was referring to ;)

I have yet to see these mysterious drawings by Mr. Tan and I seriously doubt that they either exist or were drawn at any point in time before Monty and Liong drew theirs. The chances of Mr. Tan coming up with all of these wonderful designs on his own are impossible and I challenge him to show up in court. In fact Mr. Bryan I will subpoena him so you may want to VERIFY his story before you commit your client to yet another embarrassing episode. I have already talked to Monty at the Vegas show and should this get to court I will offer him a FREE trip to Florida ;) Monty you are a stand up guy!

Mr Bryan has already admitted that he has made his posts here in both an official capacity and on his own. Meaning that he has now opened himself up to possible litigation with his "REED" post. He, his law firm and Joy are now subject to possible litigation. But this can all go away ;)

Do the right thing Mr. Bryan. Do it, Do It Right and Do It RIGHT NOW!
 
Mike,

Did you ever pay Ferret for his design... Or is that a moot point now that you are dropping it?

-Sam.
 
Mike,

If you do get dragged to court, pls, pls engage an attorney. You have a damn good case against Joy on a basis that they are selling knock-offs AND they had knowledge that they were selling knock-offs. There are many LEGAL arguments there that would be difficult for me to reproduce here in detail w/o spending some amount of time researching them (also, mine is a common law background). Your actions, whilst unusual, may be mitigated by the circumstances.

BTW, how can someone who's in the business of selling knives in this age of the Internet not know they MIGHT be knock-offs if they are sold at dirt cheap prices, acquired from sweatshops in countries known to have poor IP regulation/enforcement ETC. This is ultra ridiculous, as Joy is an EXHIBITOR in a knife show, where original designs may be viewed.

In any case, I hope you win, Mike!

RDT and the other knifemakers, whose knock-offs were displayed in that picture - I hope you rally around Mike. A standard strategy in legal proceedings is to wear out the other party through stress, time, money etc, so I know you guys can help turn the tide and stress Joy out.

Spyken
 
spyken,

Without revealing one of my many "aces in the hole" one would have to venture that your very own words can be used against you. So I will reveal just one ace....

9. Prior to the incidents and libelous statements set forth in this complaint, all of the Plaintiffs had excellent reputations and enjoyed the respect of other owners of businesses in the knife community, and further enjoyed excellent reputations and the respect of customers in the knife industry, as well as, the Plaintiffs’ associates in the community at large.

Basically to refute the law suit I will not even need prove I told the truth when I claimed they sell knock offs, although that will not only be easy it has already been proven here. They will have to prove I told a lie. Remember I am innocent until proven guilty. They will need to proove point #9. I will call them on this. No other comment is even necessary at this point, on this point ;)

I was told by Mr. Bryan that my words will be used against me. And he feels he can prove libel and slander. Well to do that he will have to prove that I was lying.

18. As of February 24, 2003, the false and libelous defamatory statements made by Defendant Michael Turber on the internet message board had been viewed more than 4,600 times.
19. Michael Turber made these false and libelous defamatory statements individually and on behalf of WOW Inc. and on behalf of BOSS KNIVES.
20. The above statements were false and defamatory. The Defendants in making these false statements acted in a negligent manner and without due care as to whether such statements were true or false. The false and defamatory statements, after being published by the Defendants, were circulated far and wide to Plaintiffs’ business associates, customers, acquaintances, perspective customers and others.
21. The Defendants published the defamatory matter on the internet with actual malice and with wrongful and willful intent to injure the Plaintiffs both personally and in the conduct of their business and as a direct and proximate result of the false statements, Plaintiffs have lost business and has been seriously injured in name, fame, reputation and business.
22. Plaintiffs reserve the right to amend and assert a claim for positive damages against all of the Defendants upon a factual showing that the statements alleged above were in fact made.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs demand judgment against the Defendants for damages, together with cost of suit and such further relief as the court deems proper.
Plaintiffs demand trial by jury.

To prove the above, the plantiff will have to prove that the statements I made were in fact, false libelous and as claimed.

Let's be clear here.

WHAT IS "DEFAMATION"?
Defamation, sometimes called "defamation of character", is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.

Alex Shelton and Joy Enterprises sells knives, commonly known to all of us as "knock offs". This is FACT, not fiction, not bull **** or Mike Turber making **** up. If according to #21 in the law suit she lost business because of my statements on the knive in question GOOD! That was 100% my intent. If she is making money selling knives of either my design or that of those who design for BOSS. Then guess what.......

If I stoped her from selling ONE ****ING KNOCK OFF OF ANYONE WHO IS A CUSTOM KNIFE MAKER HERE, THEN I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY!

My personal friends,

Tom Mayo
Darrel Ralph
Kit Karson
David Bloch
Howard Veile
Kelly Wordon
Ernest Emerson
Fred Carter

And I am sure I have missed someone, not to mention the manufacturers who have designs that she sells which have no name of a person to associate.


CAN I SUE SOMEONE WHO SAYS OR WRITES SOMETHING DEFAMATORY ABOUT ME?
In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what was said or written about you was false. (Good luck Alex) If the information is true, or if you consented to publication of the material, you will not have a case. However, you may bring an defamatory action if the comments are so reprehensible and false that they effect your reputation in the community or cast aspersions on you.

DON'T I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPINION?
Yes, so long as your statement of opinion is just an opinion, not containing specific facts that can be proved untrue.

WHAT ARE THE DEFENSES TO A LIBEL CLAIM?
There are three main defenses to a libel claim (other than asserting that it never happened or that you were never involved):

The first is claiming, and proving, that the statement was privileged (and thus not public). Only certain professions (doctors, lawyers, psychologists), or individuals (chiefly your spouse) can maintain that privilege; and if any non-privileged third party was part of the communication, the privilege is broken. (Employees of a professional are only partially covered, to the extent that you needed to use them to contact the professional. Don't expect to tell your deepest, darkest secret to your attorney's secretary, and maintain that privilege.)

The second defense is claiming, and proving, that the statement is true, for "truth is an absolute defense".

The third defense is claiming, and proving, that the statement was an opinion, not an assertion of a fact. Since this last defense is only as good as the weakest or worst, but still reasonable, misinterpretation, it's not one you really want to rely on. There's a world of difference between saying "I think he's a crook," and "he's a crook". Especially if a third party might inadvertently leave out the first two words when passing your message on.

ARE THERE DEFENSES TO DEFAMATION?
Establishing the truth is the single most effective defense that can be offered. If the remark is truthful and it "hurts", is embarrassing, or subjects you to ridicule, there is little you can do. Unfortunately, unless the remark is false, you have no recourse.


I HAVE BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF HARASSMENT. WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Be very cautious and be aware that it will come down to a question of proof and who is going to be believed. These matters can get very messy, and very expensive, as both Paula Jones and President Clinton have learned.

False accusations of sexual harassment can give rise to claims of defamation. However, unless the defendant is very wealthy (so he or she could be expected to pay any damages you may ultimately be awarded) and you are clearly in the right and the other party clearly wrong — and the facts are easy to prove — defamation actions are expensive to bring and exceptionally difficult to win.

CAN I SUE SOMEONE WHO SAYS OR WRITES SOMETHING DEFAMATORY ABOUT ME?
In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what was said or written about you was false. If the information is true, or if you consented to publication of the material, you will not have a case. However, you may bring an defamatory action if the comments are so reprehensible and false that they effect your reputation in the community or cast aspersions on you.

Mr. Bryan you simply have no case. Drop it now and follow my directives. You, as well as all of the mebers here on this forum I created, know for a fact that your client sells knock off and that I can easily proive this in court. yo ucan not prove that I in any way sexually harassed your client as this simply NEVER occured. Save your client some money and more embarassment.

I win, you lose. Simple as that :)

April 10th is next Thrusday. Do a search on this forum. I do not play games. I have never lost a law suit in this industry and the Tachyon is evident of just one such episode. Although I may be colorful and my tactics crude, I am right and your law suit is without merit. Take this to court and I assure you I will endeavor to bring about fair play. However, being a fair person, I also assure you that you can make this go away by having your client do the right thing. She can sell the knives in question, but she will pay royatlies, one way or another :)

Have a KNIFE day :)

As usual, no spell check used. Rip me guys :)

Mr. Bryan. the time is ticking, take it to the wire if you want, but you and your client can either end this, or suffer the consequences :D
 
This is my first post here but I have been following this thread and board for quite a while.

Being that I am a lawyer I wish to address Mr. Turber. Sir, you are very unwise to post what you are posting here. As I tell all my clients, never permit your ego to ruin your legal position.

Although you most likely have a defendable case, most lawyers would not touch it after reading what you have posted in this public format.

It's obvious Mr. Bryan has received what he was looking for by posting here and I seriously doubt he will engage you further. You were baited sir.

Cases such as this are not won on public support from your friends and peers, so take some friendly advice and speak no more about this in a public format.

Jay
 
Mike, I wish you the best, your intentions are honorable. The only thing I can add is that since Joy has filed suit I do not believe for one minute they have any intention of backing down. It appears you will have your day in Court and it appears that Bryan has baited you to respond in the colorful fashion that makes you the 'infamous' Mike Turber.

As I am a juror in the court of public opinion, my vote would be in your favor concerning the issue of Joy selling knock-offs of your Boss line. On this point, you will prevail.

However, other points in the suit allege conduct on your part that has damaged the reputation of the Plaintiff, Joy Enterprises. Everytime you post in the fashion you do, you are giving ammunition to the Plaintiff.

Maybe it's time to get an Attorney an put your ego back in the holster. Many a defendant has been buried by their own words, both spoken and printed. It would hate to see that happen now.........

Again, good luck.....................
 
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