More Mayo/Buck info

Now why did someone have to go and post a pic :eek:

I thought next year I would cut back on knife purchases, but this one just got added to the list :rolleyes:

Beautiful knife.
 
Why not sebenza? Since buck is gona to use S30v, why not pick the original sebenza instead of a drilled replica?

IMO, TNT is almost a drilled sebenza in spite of using talonite as blade material and handmade. Now it's gona be a production knife, now it's gona use s30v...
 
originally posted by Ireed

why TNT?
Why not sebenza? Since buck is gona to use S30v, why not pick the original sebenza instead of a drilled replica?

IMO, TNT is almost a drilled sebenza in spite of using talonite as blade material and handmade. Now it's gona be a production knife, now it's gona use s30v...
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Assuming yours is an honest statement, not meant to just annoy..

A few differences come to mind on my TNT -

much thicker blade stock
not limited to a single blade shape
thumb slot vs. thumb stud (hey, I think a hole in the blade is the best solution)
better clip placement
they are far more beautiful than a Sebenza
the beadblasting on a Sebbie is guaranteed to gunk up quickly
the Sebenza is heavier (must be the holes)
pivot action is smoother on a TNT
TNT has molded handles vs. flat handles on a Sebbie

Regarding the as-yet unproduced Buck Mayo knife, maybe the following are worth considering:

Chris Reeve Knives has the best customer service in the small production setting, period. I don't think Buck Knives can really match them on that. That said, my one experience with Buck Knives customer service was pretty good.

Street price on the Buck should be about 65% of a Sebenza - that speaks for itself - if the quality is similar, then the choice would be obvious.

Some of us are just tired of Sebenza's - and are always looking for something new.
 
Originally posted by lreed
why not pick the original sebenza instead of a drilled replica?

IMO, TNT is almost a drilled sebenza in spite of using talonite as blade material and handmade. Now it's gona be a production knife, now it's gona use s30v...
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Pardon me if I am not sure if you are being fececious but I have a hard time imagining that anyone who has held both would view a TNT as a "drilled replica":rolleyes: :( :rolleyes: Tom makes the finest folding knife available and it feels NOTHING like a Sebenza in the hand nor does the shape resemble the Sebenza in ANY of it's variations. I have nothing against the Sebenza but comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges . . . or the Mona Lisa with a black velvet Elvis.:D :D
 
I hate to say it, but I'll predict that the Buck TNT will not be much of a success. That MSRP is just far too high. If the MSRP were in the $200.00 range, the story would be completely different. But at an MSRP of $300.00, it's just too close to the Sebenza. The Buck TNT would have to have the extreme fit and finish of the Sebenza, rounded blade spine, perfect blade alignment, complete lack of blade play, etc, etc, to have a chance of surviving this price bracket. This is where the big boys play. The knife would have to look and feel like a custom.
 
I don't know Tom, but I don't think he would put his stamp of approval on a knife that didn't equal or exceed the quality of a Sebenza. Don't forget, Tom can take the level of a Sebenza up a notch or two, when it's sent in to him for his "special touch".

My .02

Barry H
 
I would applaude Buck for having the courage for taking on this project. I think we have to all thank Chris Reeves. He has set the standard and raised the bar. Other companies, such as Buck, can only be better for it. Isn't competition great! With projects like the Buck TNT nipping at their heels Chris Reeves should also be better. It is a win, win situation for knife knuts.

I wish Buck much success on this, and I can't wait to get a few of them.
 
Well, I've read a lot about TNT, and here's my thinking about it:

1. It used thumb hole instead of stud.
2. It got a different handle shape.
3. It got several different blade shapes.
4. It uses talonite

After all, no doubt it's a well-designed top-quality knife.

However, the reason I look it on as a replica of sebenza is the lock. Isn't titanium framelock invented by Chris Reeve? And IMO it's the most significant attribute in a sebenza. Changine handle shape, drilling several holes or engraving, use a different material and use some other traditional blade shapes are not hard for anyone with normal creativity. And I call those without creativity replica period.

Don't take me wrong, the buck TNT definately will be a very very nice knife. I have full confidence on buck's reputation and quality, and it's a good design. Just this non-original issue makes me feel uncomfortable about it.
 
Ti Liner? Aren't these framelocks?
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A frame lock is essentially a liner lock without the scales over it.

However, the reason I look it on as a replica of sebenza is the lock
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The problem with that is that the Sebenza is much more than just a lock. What most would say makes the Sebenza truly unique is the precision that goes into it.

Just this non-original issue makes me feel uncomfortable about it.
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But if you think that every knife that then uses a framelock is a copy of the sebenza because of that, I have to say I dont quite see how you come to that conclusion. There will be simularities for sure, once you go along a certain design path that is inevitable.

Its too late for me to try and say anything else. But I like the Sebenza, and still look foward to this knife very much.
 
Originally posted by J Hubbard


Also the TI handles are not cheap. Your jaw would drop at how much per pair we are paying.
And the TI Liner, and the TI belt clip.

Jeff
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mschwoeb,

Yep... same as the SnG. ;)

BUT... I asked because Jeff specifically mentioned the Ti Liner and then the Ti Handles... why not just say the Ti handles?

That's why I'm confused...

-j
 
Originally posted by lreed
Well, I've read a lot about TNT, and here's my thinking about it:

1. It used thumb hole instead of stud.
2. It got a different handle shape.
3. It got several different blade shapes.
4. It uses talonite

After all, no doubt it's a well-designed top-quality knife.

However, the reason I look it on as a replica of sebenza is the lock. Isn't titanium framelock invented by Chris Reeve? And IMO it's the most significant attribute in a sebenza. Changine handle shape, drilling several holes or engraving, use a different material and use some other traditional blade shapes are not hard for anyone with normal creativity. And I call those without creativity replica period.

Don't take me wrong, the buck TNT definately will be a very very nice knife. I have full confidence on buck's reputation and quality, and it's a good design. Just this non-original issue makes me feel uncomfortable about it.
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1. Have you played with a TNT?
2. If any titanium framelock is a Sebenza replica, then any steel linerlock is a Walker's replica, right?
 
Originally posted by lreed
Just this non-original issue makes me feel uncomfortable about it.
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You certainly have the right not to buy one but to say that the TNT is non-original is a slam on one of the finest knifemaker's out there and in reality a slam on EVERY framelock folder, custom or prodo. Sure, both knives bend in the middle but that is where the "non-original" issue ends. If you'd ever held the two, you'd know that. It is a shame to make generalizations about products about which you have only "read alot about." When choose to make a judgement about another persons credibility, originality, and talent based upon what you have read you step out of bounds. Especially when you use a public forum to make such statements.
I would really encourage you to find a way to get your hands on a sebenza and one of Tom's TNTs and compare them. The very fact that ya probably cannot get a TNT even if you have the desire AND the money to do so will let you know in a BIG hurry that it is NOT a "non-original copy". A cursory examination will probably help you see why many of us are so enthusiastic about the ORIGINALITY of Toms work. He is not only too sharp of a guy to "copy" but he is too talented to need to.
I am really looking forward to getting my hands on the Buck version of the finest pocket knife I own!:D :D
 
Since this thread has brought up the differences in the TNT and Sebenza, I would like to add my feeble opinion on the two. I have had 2 TNT's and maybe 4 Sebenzas in the last couple of years. I am looking forward to the Buck TNT when it comes out.As most folks allready know, both the Seb and the TNT have some features that make them both very fine working knives. Wouldn't it be great if they came out with a Mayo/Reeve collaboration? That being said, I guess it's just a matter of personal opinion as to which one is "The Best". I like tip up carry, So the Seb would win out for me. The TNT might look like it's doing 60 miles an hour sitting still, So that may be what attracts some people.It's also built like a tank. I think the Seb opens smoother, And with tip up carry, Is faster to deploy than a TNT. But that's really no big deal, Whats a nano second faster going to help?. You can get used to any type of carry knife with time. I liked the Talonite blade, But I don't really see such a big performance gain over other blade steels. I personally like D2 as my favorite. I guess the list of ups and downs could go on and on, But the bottom line in my opinion is, I will have to have one of those Buck TNT's!I'll still keep my Seb, But it would be nice to have something to rotate out with once in a while. I wish I had seen the TNT boom (pun intended!) coming before I traded off my last one. Now they have more than doubled in price on the secondary market! I wish Buck and Tom great success with their new knife. I am sure they will have it!
 
Originally posted by seaplane
I wish I had seen the TNT boom (pun intended!) coming before I traded off my last one. Now they have more than doubled in price on the secondary market!
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That certainly says something, right there!:D

When Tom announced he was scaling back on TNT's, and no longer taking any new orders for same, people began clamering to get one of the best hand made folders ever made.

I was on my 5th sebbie when I found the TNT almost 2 years ago. The sebenza is a fine knife. But the TNT brings you to another level.

Tom Mayo himself likes sebbies as well. Hell, I traded him a sebbie towards my first TNT. To say the TNT is a copy of anything is preposterous.

I have never had a smoother, silkier-opening folder than the TNT. The skill and artistry that goes into each one is phenomanal.

If you have never owned a TNT for any length of time, put it to task, and simply been in awe of it's versatility, you won't understand. No one is saying the seb is not great, it's just the Mayo/Buck will be better. ;)

Even sebbies that Tom has "Mayonized" "feel" noticeably different to people that owned factory sebbies. I have yet to find anyone that owns a Mayonized sebbie that was not totally impressed with Tom's work on them. Many of these same people simply did not think the sebbie could be improved.

I have every confidence that the Mayo/Buck collaberation knives will have no small number of sebbie owners as customers.

After all, that's what most of us TNT owners used to be.:)
 
Ok, I signed up for one.

Let me get this right, limited to 2000, blades and assembled in the Buck custom shop, handles outsourced?

Tom you only seen a picture and not handled one yet?

Do you give the final approval if they meet your specs? Do you know when that will be?
 
You All are right, there is no TI liner, just a side lock.. We have another model coming off the shelf into production this week that uses a TI liner.. I musta been brain dead..

Jeff
 
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