Murdoch123

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

:thumbdn: I recently sold Murdoch123 two knives and he paid by paypal and i shipped to him in the UK, last nite i emailed him that they had cleared US Customs and should be arriving soon. He emmediately opend a dispute with Paypal claiming he never recieved the items which are still in transit. Since last nite he has emailed me several times threating me if i do not take the back he will cause me to lose my Paypal account stating i misrepresented the knives in 1. Busse Artic One Proto & 2. CRK Green Beret Y.C. 003 acuseing me of fraud in my for sale adds. Because of his fraudulent accusations my Paypal account has a temorary hold on it while Paypal investigates. In another email today he even said he would be out of his country and has instructed someone to not accept the items and that i should refund him his payments or he would cause me to lose my PayPal account. So be forewarned do not trust this member or have any dealings with him. your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated thanks,Paul

 

[Broos]

Sorry man - this don't sound good.

 

[El_Toro]

Sorry to hear that, I was drooling over that Artic One, one of a kind. Good luck and hope all turns out well!

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

Yep Eric Issacson confirmed its the only one he has ever seen,It will all work out i have very good documentation of all communcations i just thought everyone needed to be warned about MURDOCH123:thumbdn:

 

[murdoch123]

Paul tell the truth for once..

3 points i must raise.

1: Just because Eric says he has only ever seen one Busse Artic like this then it does not automatically mean it is a prototype, you also told me another member of this board told you it was a prototype, i asked him and he said he never said the words.

2: You told me the Y.C on the Chris Reeve Green Beret stood for "Yarborough Custom", Chris Reeve told me otherwise and i have it in writing.

3: I asked you before i bought the knives that i needed you to ship them to me with a low value as i would be out of the country and would not be able to pay any extra charges, you agreed to this and then after making me wait 9 days to hear about the shipping you then tell me you spoke with your solicitor and he says you had to declare the full amount that i paid for the knives on the shipping label.

Well i am glad you contacted your solicitor and he told you this, but you should have done this before you sold me the knives not go and post them to me and then say sorry Murdoch but you are going to be charged another $600 in charges when they arrive...tough luck.

I was annoyed at the info you had gave me about the knives but i had already bought them and even though i feel i was missold them i was going to keep them anyway.

But when you go and break a gentlemans agreement just because you have now got the money then that really annoys me, it is you who are untrustworthy here not me, i will accept the knives only on condition you pay half the charges.

You had no intention of putting a low shipping value on them and knew that the only way you would be able sell them to me was if you agreed to my request to do this, which you did agree to and then once you had my money you shipped them at full amount so i would get hit with hundreds of dollars of charges.

After you decided you did not want to ship them to me with a low value you should have given me the choice to forfeit the sale since i had only agreed to buy them if you could do this but instead you did not and shipped them to me as you dont care as it is not you having to pay out an extra $600.

I paid you promptly, we had a gentlemans agreement, i kept my side of the bargain.... you broke yours as well as give me wrong info about these knives.

The fact is you tried to trick me more than once, and i am not in the habit of being tricked more than once by the same person especially if it is going to cost me $600.

You should do the right thing and either split these charges with me or give me my money back instead of coming and moaning on here telling people to avoid me when it is you that is untrustworthy.

 

[Gravelface]

murdoch123

"I asked you before i bought the knives that i needed you to ship them to me with a low value"

You know this is ILLEGAL right?

 

[murdoch123]

You have to state "the value" of the knives ......... as for as i am concerned the true value of these knives is not what i paid for them at the end of the day they are just a small bit of steel with hardly any real worth.

As far as i am concerned i gave him $50 a knife and the rest was for entertainment value for the stories he told me over email and this post here.....or you could say i paid $50 a knife and the rest of the funds were for photos that i am still to receive through email of Oppresso posing in a pair of combats.....which for all you know is the real reason me and Oppresso are fighting........wheres that pic dude

 

[rosconey2]

thats sad-guy wont lie over value and you get pissed at him-

so he does do a lower value and they get lost or stolen ,then what hes screwed-

de oppreso should wait till he gets the knives back in his hand and refund the guys money minus fees for shipping and anything else he can so it doesnt cost him a dime for dealing with this guy who wanted to do a illegal thing

 

[murdoch123]

rosconey2 i think you missed the bit where Oppresso agreed to do this, why is he now the victim, he could have said no but he instead agreed to do this and then changed his mind and never told me for 9 days and after he had posted them....if you cannot see the wrong in this then unlucky for you.

And what about misselling the knives to me is this ok....

Also if they went missing i get screwed not him.

 

[Cutshaw]

I don't know, man. Listing the value as low (assuming this is a USPS ship) on a Federal form (customs) is... well... dangerous. I don't know that it is a felony but it is a violation of a federal law as opposed to State or local.

I don't know what that will do for you in Scotland but here it means you lose the privilege of voting and owning a firearm. For me, not worth it.

Reasons like this keep many of us from shipping outside the continental U.S.

It is considerably more work and not, unless you really like the buyer - not worth it.

That being said, I've got it least a couple of compadres in Thailand and Germany who DO make it worth it. Understanding, standup guys. I have listed a knife as a camp tool. I have not understated the value.

 

[westllen]

Just for reference or added information! what if the knives were shipped at full value and on the customs form it states "knife returned after repair" would that have worked to bypass the large tariff tax?
Curious?
Jules

 

[Heavy]

Knowing that listing the full value would cost hundreds in extra charges the seller should have informed the buyer that he had changed his mind and would only ship listing the full value.

Any move on either buyers or sellers end that will cost the other money or time needs to be worked out before action is taken.

The seller did the right (read legal) thing in listing the full value.

He did the wrong thing in not telling the buyer that he had changed his mind until it was to late.

just my 2 cents.

 

[automated ugug]

Just for reference or added information! what if the knives were shipped at full value and on the customs form it states "knife returned after repair" would that have worked to bypass the large tariff tax?
Curious?
Jules

yes it does, but in to be 100% sure there has to be an letter inside the box saying "i did this repair to your 800$ knife'.. the only problem is that if you buy as many knives as i do you can't have two packages a week turning up with repaired knife written on them .... or gift value 2$

in essence i pay the taxes/import duties on 70% ofmy knife imports... but on some deals, when i am talking to friends or stand up guys, i don't..

this may be technically illegal but given that i have paid income tax on the money i earn, it is certainly not immoral or unethical .... in addition i do no understand why i should pay sales tax to the uk government on a product i have purchased from the US

 

[murdoch123]

yes it does, but in to be 100% sure there has to be an letter inside the box saying "i did this repair to your 800$ knife'.. the only problem is that if you buy as many knives as i do you can't have two packages a week turning up with repaired knife written on them .... or gift value 2$

in essence i pay the taxes/import duties on 70% ofmy knife imports... but on some deals, when i am talking to friends or stand up guys, i don't..

this may be technically illegal but given that i have paid income tax on the money i earn, it is certainly not immoral or unethical .... in addition i do no understand why i should pay sales tax to the uk government on a product i have purchased from the US

Here here....

I am the same as you, only a few days ago i had to pay $400 for importing a William Henry Bengali, but that is different to me as it is brand new and i bought it from a registered company.

But these 2 knives are secondhand and bought from an individual who knows very little about what he is selling it seems and certainly not the real value and the reality is they are not worth that much and certainly not what i paid for them like i said it would be different if they were encrusted with diamonds but it is just a bit of steel and the charges would be enough to buy a new knife from Busse direct.
the fact is he only agreed to do it so he would get the sale, once i had paid him he had no intention of actually putting the lower value so in essence i got scammed and that is how i see it and for some reason he thought i would just pay it, he only let me know a day before i was to recieve it, i am sure all you other collectors would not be happy getting a knock on the door asking for hundreds of dollars extra with only a days notice.

The point is that with custom charges on top these knives are not going to be worth what i have to pay out, he knew this and that is why he agreed, the knives would probably still be for sale if i had not bought them, plus he agreed with me to ship at a lower cost because he was desperate and i mean desperate for me to send him the money so he could buy another knife the same day, he got my money got his new knife and ripped me off afterwards.

 

[Heavy]

Just one more point.

It seems this thing got off on the wrong foot when the buyer asked the seller to do something illegal right off the bat.

Seller should have put a stop to it then.

But again, to agree to do it, and then make a six hundred dollar decision not to without informing the buyer is not right.

 

[westllen]

yes it does, but in to be 100% sure there has to be an letter inside the box saying "i did this repair to your 800$ knife'.. the only problem is that if you buy as many knives as i do you can't have two packages a week turning up with repaired knife written on them .... or gift value 2$

in essence i pay the taxes/import duties on 70% ofmy knife imports... but on some deals, when i am talking to friends or stand up guys, i don't..

this may be technically illegal but given that i have paid income tax on the money i earn, it is certainly not immoral or unethical .... in addition i do no understand why i should pay sales tax to the uk government on a product i have purchased from the US

thanks for the answer brother! and yes TAXES do $uck!!
Jules

 

[MD13]

My 2 cents:

Murdoch, if you don't think the knives are worth what you paid, then why did you buy them in the first place? A knife is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You liked them well enough to purchase them, but now you're saying that they're just just bits of steel and you could have bought a knife direct from Busse.

That's true in a sense. You could've bought a knife direct from Busse, but it certainly wouldn't be an Arctic One and you would've been waiting quite a while to get it. There's people (including me) that ordered one of the new Badger Attacks weeks and months ago, and they're still a few weeks from even going into production. What you paid for was a rare knife that is certainly worth more than a $50 piece of steel.

That said, I do agree with you that you should've been notified whether or not the seller was going to declare full value before sending, and not after. Legally, they should've declared full value anyway, and you would've decided then, that you weren't going to purchase the knives.

All in all, I hope it works out for the both of you.

 

[murdoch123]

My 2 cents:

Murdoch, if you don't think the knives are worth what you paid, then why did you buy them in the first place? A knife is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You liked them well enough to purchase them, but now you're saying that they're just just bits of steel and you could have bought a knife direct from Busse.

That's true in a sense. You could've bought a knife direct from Busse, but it certainly wouldn't be an Arctic One and you would've been waiting quite a while to get it. There's people (including me) that ordered one of the new Badger Attacks weeks and months ago, and they're still a few weeks from even going into production. What you paid for was a rare knife that is certainly worth more than a $50 piece of steel.

That said, I do agree with you that you should've been notified whether or not the seller was going to declare full value before sending, and not after. Legally, they should've declared full value anyway, and you would've decided then, that you weren't going to purchase the knives.

All in all, I hope it works out for the both of you.

Yes i know a knife is only worth what someone would pay for it and i am not complaining about what i paid, i am just trying to point out that you cannot assign true value to a commodity that is driven entirely by marketing and very limited individual taste.

 

[JD Mandrell]

rosconey2 i think you missed the bit where Oppresso agreed to do this, .

At this point, we only have your word that he did agree to this, and since you have admitted to being willing to lie to customs, how do we know your not lying now?

Can you provide an documentation for all this?

 

[murdoch123]

You need to ask yourself why would i lie ?

Unless it is you who is going to decide the final outcome of this and are in negotiations with paypal then i dont understand why i need to show you documentation or prove anything on this forum, the only reason i am posting this is so others know what he is like.

I have nothing to prove to anyone here.......can you not see that ?

But to answer your question yes of course i have documentation but i would not post his personal emails on a public forum....i do have some morals.

Anyway wait for him to reply.