Murdoch123

[JD Mandrell]

You need to ask yourself why would i lie ?

Why you would lie is irrelevant, it's that you so easily brag about it that will make people leary of dealing with you in the future.

i dont understand why i need to show you documentation or prove anything on this forum,


I have nothing to prove to anyone here.

i would not post his personal emails on a public forum....i do have some morals.

Anyway wait for him to reply.

Just a friendly "tip", sudden evasions when asked for documentation to claims, are not usually received well here in GB&U. It tends to make folks think your not being 100% truthful.

 

[murdoch123]

Why you would lie is irrelevant, it's that you so easily brag about it that will make people leary of dealing with you in the future.



Just a friendly "tip", sudden evasions when asked for documentation to claims, are not usually received well here in GB&U. It tends to make folks think your not being 100% truthful.

If this is true about how the forum works then everyone reply and say "yes" and if these same people want me to post oppressors emails on this public forum then i will.

One more thing can you point me to a post where a similiar situation has happened before and someone has had to post someone elses personal emails.

I think you are just stirring things to be honest, any half-wit could work out the truth from the above.

 

[JD Mandrell]

One more thing can you point me to a post where a similiar situation has happened before and someone has had to post someone elses personal emails.

It happens all the time, do a search of GB&U.

Here's one for you.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430810&highlight=e-mails

I think you are just stirring things to be honest, any half-wit could work out the truth from the above.

I'm not trying to stir up anything, but keep in mind that at this point, YOU are the one that has stepped in here and basically stated "I am a liar, but believe me when I say....".

You put yourself in the position of having folks ask for proof when you admit to falsehood right out of the gate. It's called not having "clean hands".

I hope you 2 get it worked out.

 

[murdoch123]

It happens all the time, do a search of GB&U.

Here's one for you.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430810&highlight=e-mails



I'm not trying to stir up anything, but keep in mind that at this point, YOU are the one that has stepped in here and basically stated "I am a liar, but believe me when I say....".

You put yourself in the position of having folks ask for proof when you admit to falsehood right out of the gate. It's called not having "clean hands".

I hope you 2 get it worked out.

Without resorting to completely trashing this thread when did i say i was a liar or imply i was, what ? the fact that i did not want to pay a custom charge and admitted the fact here makes me a liar.....

You are clueless, stop trolling this thread.....

 

[JD Mandrell]

when did i say i was a liar or imply i was, what ? the fact that i did not want to pay a custom charge and admitted the fact here makes me a liar.....

3: I asked you before i bought the knives that i needed you to ship them to me with a low value

Was this not an attempt to defraud a government agency to save yourself some money?

Is that not asking him to lie on your behalf?

You are clueless, stop trolling this thread.

Refusal to provide evidence of claims, and resorts to personal attacks when asked for information.

Hmmm.....what does that usually add up to?

 

[Bill Siegle]

If the seller and the buyer had agreed to terms before the sale and the seller deviated from those terms, then the seller needs to bear the loss. It is quite common for intl buyers to request lower declared values. To save on taxes and to keep thieves from knowing which boxes to open. Usually the buyer assumes responsibilty for loss in these agreements.

 

[Heavy]

If the seller and the buyer had agreed to terms before the sale and the seller deviated from those terms, then the seller needs to bear the loss. It is quite common for intl buyers to request lower declared values. To save on taxes and to keep thieves from knowing which boxes to open. Usually the buyer assumes responsibilty for loss in these agreements.

Well said. I agree.

 

[murdoch123]

Was this not an attempt to defraud a government agency to save yourself some money?

Is that not asking him to lie on your behalf?



Refusal to provide evidence of claims, and resorts to personal attacks when asked for information.

Hmmm.....what does that usually add up to?

You are one funny guy, like i said before i have nothing to prove here but you cannot see that, you are making a fool of yourself not me.....

lol provide evidence to you, why are you so high and mighty to demand evidence, like i said before i dont have anything to prove here it is not you lot that will get me my money back and i can easily re register under a different name so it is hardly my reputation i am worried about.

Hence why i am not posting any personal emails from oppressor i have at least some respect unlike yourself.

By the way no one tried to defraud any government you sensationalist.

 

[thombrogan]

Unless it is you who is going to decide the final outcome of this and are in negotiations with paypal then i dont understand why i need to show you documentation or prove anything on this forum, the only reason i am posting this is so others know what he is like.

I have nothing to prove to anyone here.......can you not see that ?

If we are to take your word for what you've typed, a reason to take your word over De Oppresso Liber's word would prove helpful. Perhaps you have a copy of your De Oppresso Liber sales communiques which could be shared? Defensive behavior, even when appropriate, isn't a convincing display of rightdoings.

 

[murdoch123]

If the seller and the buyer had agreed to terms before the sale and the seller deviated from those terms, then the seller needs to bear the loss. It is quite common for intl buyers to request lower declared values. To save on taxes and to keep thieves from knowing which boxes to open. Usually the buyer assumes responsibilty for loss in these agreements.

Thanks, i was beginning to feel i was the only guy in the world that has ever done this even though i know im not, it is common practice in these circles.

 

[Zombie Zeke]

If we are to take your word for what you've typed, a reason to take your word over De Oppresso Liber's word would prove helpful. Perhaps you have a copy of your De Oppresso Liber sales communiques which could be shared? Defensive behavior, even when appropriate, isn't a convincing display of rightdoings.

I agree with what Bill is saying but Thom and LAst COnfederate have valid points regarding disclosure...

 

[thombrogan]

I do agree, though, that if De Oppresso Liber's agreement included declaring a value lower than the funds which changed hands, he should've kept his word or not made the deal in the first place. As Murdoch123 suggests, value is highly subjective. When he bought the knives, they may have been worth every penny he paid and more, but sitting at the post office, they may only be worth $50-60 and when home, they may escalate to a level of pricelessness.

 

[roughedges]

Strange that murdoch should accuse de opresso liber of fraud when the only thing here I see that could possibly be construed as fraudlent activity was requested by murdoch himself. Further, I believe this thread may be enlightening to that extent. If de opresso liber isn't able to get the paypal mess cleared up paypal's investigators may find some interesting information in this thread.

 

[JD Mandrell]

lol provide evidence to you, why are you so high and mighty to demand evidence,

Because YOU have accused another member of this forum of collusion to break the law.

i can easily re register under a different name so it is hardly my reputation i am worried about.

Yeah, cause Spark and the mods around here are that stupid. Check the "walking the plank" threads and see how often that works.

But the fact that you've already thought of it is VERY telling.

Hence why i am not posting any personal emails from oppressor i have at least some respect unlike yourself.

Or as is more likely the case, when folks refuse and go on the attack, they either don't have them, or they don't say what you claim.

By the way no one tried to defraud any government you sensationalist.

Uh...that's what making false claims to avoid taxes/tariffs is, fraud.

BTW, if you ever prove your claim, I agree with you. If DeOpresso' did agree to your little fraud scheme, then back out, he should have talked to you before shipping.

 

[murdoch123]

Just to put a spanner in the works for all of you doubters........... let me rewind to before all of this happened.

Oppressor told me the Y.C. on the Green Beret stood for Yarborough Custom, ask Chris Reeve what it actually stands for i have an email from Chris explaining all about it and that it does not stand for Yarborough Custom.

As for the Busee i bought is it really an "Artic Protoype" anybody want to stand up and PROVE that it is.

The fact that he gave me misleading info about the green beret lets me forfeit both sales even before we get talking about any postage charges.

This is my complaint to paypal...that i was mis sold these knives.

And unless he can get Chris Reeve to admit the knife stands for Yarborough Custom then i will get my money back.

The same goes for Busse, oppressor will need to give them real proof that it is a proto not just saying someone told him so.

 

[murdoch123]

So lets forget about customs and concetrate on me being missold a knife through this forum.

I have no problems posting proof about that.

And if any admin are reading this any chance you can activate my gold membership that i have been waiting nearly 4 weeks to have activated.

 

[MD13]

Didn't you research any of that or get second opinions before you thought to commit to the purchase? It's a lot of money, and I know I would have.

 

[nidhoggr]

does the government have a right to tax private sales? if a person sold their car to a friend the government couldn't just come along and demand a cut of the profits can they?

 

[murdoch123]

Let me reiterate that i let it go about the stamping on the Green Beret blade and told him i was alright about it but only because i had already committed to the sale, i said to him its my own fault for not checking first but he was offhand about it which annoyed me even though i was not wanting a refund.

My personal opinion is that he put the high charges on the form to get me back for what i had found out about the Reeve knife and because i had spoken with another member of this forum who told me that he never had told Oppressor that the Busse was a protoype.

 

[JD Mandrell]

does the government have a right to tax private sales? if a person sold their car to a friend the government couldn't just come along and demand a cut of the profits can they?

If there is an import tariff in place between the two countries, yes.