Murdoch123

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Crap like this is one of the main reasons I don't ship outside the US anymore....

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Choose someone you all trust and i will send them whatever i am being bet against, once i have done this you do the same and then if i prove i am telling the truth i get your cash.

Everyone that is up for this then post here.
 
murdoch123 said:
3: I asked you before i bought the knives that i needed you to ship them to me with a low value as i would be out of the country and would not be able to pay any extra charges, you agreed to this and then after making me wait 9 days to hear about the shipping you then tell me you spoke with your solicitor and he says you had to declare the full amount that i paid for the knives on the shipping label.

Well i am glad you contacted your solicitor and he told you this, but you should have done this before you sold me the knives not go and post them to me and then say sorry Murdoch but you are going to be charged another $600 in charges when they arrive...tough luck.

I was annoyed at the info you had gave me about the knives but i had already bought them and even though i feel i was missold them i was going to keep them anyway.

But when you go and break a gentlemans agreement just because you have now got the money then that really annoys me, it is you who are untrustworthy here not me, i will accept the knives only on condition you pay half the charges.

You had no intention of putting a low shipping value on them and knew that the only way you would be able sell them to me was if you agreed to my request to do this, which you did agree to and then once you had my money you shipped them at full amount so i would get hit with hundreds of dollars of charges.

After you decided you did not want to ship them to me with a low value you should have given me the choice to forfeit the sale since i had only agreed to buy them if you could do this but instead you did not and shipped them to me as you dont care as it is not you having to pay out an extra $600.

I paid you promptly, we had a gentlemans agreement, i kept my side of the bargain.... you broke yours as well as give me wrong info about these knives.

The fact is you tried to trick me more than once, and i am not in the habit of being tricked more than once by the same person especially if it is going to cost me $600.

You should do the right thing and either split these charges with me or give me my money back instead of coming and moaning on here telling people to avoid me when it is you that is untrustworthy.
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murdoch123 said:
Ok this is getting boring....

Schott , Confederate etc i am up for proving that i am telling the truth but lets make a wager.

I bet you all $1000 that i can prove i am telling the truth.

We will all pay the money to an admin who is trustworthy and we will make the whole thing legitimate.
If i can prove that i am telling the truth then i get your money and that is the end of the story.

So who is up for it ?
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murdoch123 said:
I will bet a maximum of 10k, ten bets of $1000

Lets sort the men from the boys.
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Sure is a lot of money being thrown around for someone who cannot afford $600 in customs fees.
 
murdoch123 said:
It is still all talk blah blah, put your money where your mouth is.

Or are you all talk ?
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Talk is the only thing youve done regardless of that "proof" you claim to have. Dont expect much more than talk back until you offer something more substantial than broken english.
 
murdoch123 said:
Lets sort the men from the boys.
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That's already been done here, MEN "say what the mean, mean what they say and cover the ground they stand on", i.e. Back up their talk.

BOYS, make accusations, then panic and do anything including silly "I'll betcha" diversions to avoid facing up to their statements.

Either you own rep' is worth putting up the evidence or it isn't.

If it's not, then how much of a man can you be?
 
Ok Schott i will prove it to just you and when i do you can tell everyone that i am telling the truth and send me a free knife ;)
 
FWIW, if actual proof comes up, ill be the first to eat humble pie, but my internal compass is spinning from whats been said thus far.

It seems to me the issue was with the import fees, not the seemingly insignificant details of the knives themselves which were up to the buyer to look into before purchasing. What bothers me is the chargeback claiming items not sold as advertised when the real issue seems more to be a failed attempt to skirt the customs fees of the country.
 
murdoch123 said:
Ok Schott i will prove it to just you and when i do you can tell everyone that i am telling the truth and send me a free knife ;)
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I would rather not be involved like that. This is a public forum and I am not a private mediator.

Ill be glad to ship you a free knife....but be aware that I assess its value at over 10,000$ and will not lie to customs.
 
I agree with Murdoch if events transpired as he has indicated. If a deal with certain specific stipulations were agreed to BEFORE funds were exchanged then I don't think it is fair or right for one party to alter those terms. It would be a different story if BOTH parties agreed to the change of terms. Btw, I have shipped numerous items to Europe and in every case the buyer has requested that I list a lower declared value! I would not take this to mean that the buyer is dishonest and would be more likely to rip you off. We Americans are not used to paying the obscene amount of taxes that Europeans must endure. NO ONE likes to pay exhorbitant taxes, be it Americans, Europeans, or any other nationality. I see nothing morally wrong with a fellow knife collector asking a seller to declare a lower value for tax purposes IF said buyer is willing to also assume all risk of loss, theft, seizure etc.

Murdoch, I think it is admirable that you won't post private emails even though they may exonerate you. If the OP feels that there is nothing incriminating in the emails then he should have no problem giving you permission to post them correct?
 
ok what proof do you all want without me resorting to posting on a public forum, someone who is trusted and wants to relay the info after reading the proof then i am up for that.

Dont you think that lack of oppressors presence is proof enough.
 
I think the whole point is being missed. The tax issue isn't the issue. I'd bet that 90% of the knives shipped outside the US are marked "gift" and valued less than a $100 so thats a non-issue imho.

The real issue is: Were the knives represented as being something they're not. Plain and simple. That appears to have happened before any talk of tax evasion (if the buyer is telling the truth). If the seller said they are "custom" or "prototype" and they were not,,the buyer is in the right.
 
I think there are three issues here. One is about customs fees the other about sellers representation of items, the last is about paypal chargebacks.

Customs fees: While i still wouldnt do it, it seems a norm to claim below actual value. If this was the sole issue, i would say that yes, if agreed upon a lower value, the seller changing it without notifying is not a great move to make.

Sellers representation of items: While an outright lie or different items than pictured is one thing, its really the buyer's responsibility to ask those questions and look into them BEFORE paying for an item. I dont see anything in the sellers post or item sales that remotely approach fraud in any way.

Paypal chargeback: I think this is where the real meat of the argument lies. Are you claiming fraud because he misrepresented items or because he didnt agree to your customs request? Stick to one....unfortunately for you, your own words will negate any claim of misrepresented products because you yourself admit that you were going to keep the knives as acceptable until the customs problem came up. Dont expect paypal to feel bad that you werent able to break your country's laws, regardless of how oftem people do it.
 
The CRK Green Beret Y.C. 003 as i stated in my forsale post is only 1 of 4 made and will not be ever made again!!!!!! thats not rare!!!!! and the Busse Artic One Proto sold to me by Northern knives of Anchorage Alaska who sold it to me as how i descibed it in my for sale post is the only one Eric has ever seen and he said it was well worth the price and i was told by the seller it was also 1 of four made.
 
The value of a second hand knife is fixed by the buyer and seller. It's a free market.The customs ask an import tax that the EC and not the country fixes.And the VAT comes on this as a sweet extra.If a seller agrees on a certain amount whatever it be he has to respect his word.And please I hope that the members who are so loyal to the customs do the same for their income taxes, speed limits and so on.
 
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