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murdoch123 said:
Just to put a spanner in the works for all of you doubters........... let me rewind to before all of this happened.

Oppressor told me the Y.C. on the Green Beret stood for Yarborough Custom, ask Chris Reeve what it actually stands for i have an email from Chris explaining all about it and that it does not stand for Yarborough Custom.

As for the Busee i bought is it really an "Artic Protoype" anybody want to stand up and PROVE that it is.

The fact that he gave me misleading info about the green beret lets me forfeit both sales even before we get talking about any postage charges.

This is my complaint to paypal...that i was mis sold these knives.

And unless he can get Chris Reeve to admit the knife stands for Yarborough Custom then i will get my money back.

The same goes for Busse, oppressor will need to give them real proof that it is a proto not just saying someone told him so.
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murdoch123 said:
Let me reiterate that i let it go about the stamping on the Green Beret blade and told him i was alright about it but only because i had already committed to the sale, i said to him its my own fault for not checking first but he was offhand about it which annoyed me even though i was not wanting a refund.

My personal opinion is that he put the high charges on the form to get me back for what i had found out about the knife and because i had spoken with another member of this forum who told me that he never had told Oppressor that the Busse was a protoype.
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If you can quote these communications like this, why can't you just copy them verbatim?
 
Sorry but i am not posting peoples personal email communication on a public forum even though i know it would shut you up ;)...if you dont want to believe me then dont.....like i said before i have nothing to prove here.

Anyway where is Oppressor ?
 
murdoch123 said:
Sorry but i am not posting peoples personal email communication on a public forum even though i know it would shut you up ;)
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Hmmm..wonder why not?

Seems it would quickly work towards clearing this all up.

I'm sure any future buyers and especially sellers will take note of their absence.
 
If someone wanted to buy my knife and asked me to commit mail fraud while doing so, I wouldnt even be doing business with them in the first place. The same mentality who wants to cheat the mail system is the mentality who will then claim it never arrived and screw you out of your insurance money on top of the knives. Sorry but its the truth.

IMHO, if you live in some country where import taxes are absurd to the point you want people to commit crimes in their country to ship you something, you need to pay the price or find someone local to do business with. Dont expect sellers to commit crimes and bend over backwards simply because you want something a few thousand miles away and cant find it down the street.

This is all without even touching the fact that you wont post anything to prove anything other than admitting to asking a seller to commit a crime.
 
Schott for owning a knife company you are not very bright ?

Why do i need to prove anything here on this forum......please tell me ??

Same question goes to you Confederate ?
 
TLC: As mr. Siegle has said the value of something not commonly found everywhere is highly subjective; how on earth would seller be defrauding anybody (lest of all an authority he is not even subject to) by declaring the value exactly at the amount that buyer percieves the item to be worth ? It's insured for the same amount as well so if shipment gets lost, the buyer gets reimbursed his percieved value, not seller's percieved value or customs clerks' percieved value. Your one-of-a-kind super tactical ninja knife may be priceless to you but worth nothing to someone else. Let's face it, even if customs clerks disputed the declared value the closest estimate they'd come up with themselves would probably be $20 for "chef's knife". All this hubbub about "fraud" and "lying" for nothing ...

The real issue is whether seller shipped the priomised items as agreed or not; if not, it should be easy to prove for murdoch123.
 
murdoch123 said:
Schott for owning a knife company you are not very bright ?

Why do i need to prove anything here on this forum......please tell me ??

Same question goes to you Confederate ?
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I'll answer that question. because your reputation will make it a lot easier to deal with you in the future. Do you think that people who you are buying a knife from won't research you? I do it, especially when the buyer isn't a paying member, like you, or has a very low post count, like you.

I can tell you without a doubt, that whether you were scammed or not in this deal, I would not buy from, sell to you, or even give you a knife. your attitude sucks. And unfortunately if you do register under a different name, I think your attitude would be a dead giveaway. something to think about before you continue this childish display. Grow up, relax, and let the deal run its course. DOL will chime in sooner or later with an explanation, but your actions and words right now are taking their toll on your reputation. Whether you are right or wrong in this deal, you're going to do irrepairable damage for the future. Just some food for thought. ;)

pete

EDITED TO ADD- The complications of international dealings is the sole reason why I only deal with buyers in the US.
 
I would say if you paid 5000$ for a knife, regardless of what the seller "perceives" its value as, its a transaction and that is the value of the items. You paid whatever amount for the knives, so that is their value. Maybe im more of a purist than most, but thats how I understand how things work. Just because i think my brand new BMW is worth 5$ doesnt mean i can import it with a 5$ value. If you needed to replace those items, thats the value that must be declared.

I dont own a knife company. I just make knives.

And to answer the question, you dont NEED to prove anything here...but no one NEEDS to ever do business with you again, either.

I agree the question is if the items were shipped as agreed upon. Murdoch has calimed over and over that the OP's details are wrong and that something different happened. The OP can't prove he didnt say something because obviously theres no proof of something that doesnt exist. Murdoch is claiming that evidence to the contrary of the OP's post exists, but refuses to give that proof.

Proof from either side would resolve this in two seconds...its just VERY suspect when someone fights tooth and nail to combat a statement with proof, but then falters when its put-up-or-shut-up time.

Ill stay out of this...its my fault for putting myself in the middle of an arguement that is not mine. In my mind this is very simple. Post the link to the sale of the knives and post the relevant email excerpts where the deal was made. it should be easy to tell from just those pieces of info who is telling fibs and who is not.
 
Pete1977 said:
I'll answer that question. because your reputation will make it a lot easier to deal with you in the future. Do you think that people who you are buying a knife from won't research you? I do it, especially when the buyer isn't a paying member, like you, or has a very low post count, like you.

I can tell you without a doubt, that whether you were scammed or not in this deal, I would not buy from, sell to you, or even give you a knife. your attitude sucks. And unfortunately if you do register under a different name, I think your attitude would be a dead giveaway. something to think about before you continue this childish display. Grow up, relax, and let the deal run its course. DOL will chime in sooner or later with an explanation, but your actions and words right now are taking their toll on your reputation. Whether you are right or wrong in this deal, you're going to do irrepairable damage for the future. Just some food for thought. ;)

pete

EDITED TO ADD- The complications of international dealings is the sole reason why I only deal with buyers in the US.
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And you sir are just another troll who has came out of the woodwork, you obviously have very little understanding of the world or the internet if you think i would be bothered about the reputaion of "murdoch123".....


I am also a paying member i have been waiting for my account to be activated for nearly 4 weeks.
 
hmmm where oh where do i even begin on this thread....

murdoch obviously has something up his sleeve.... i really hope de op comes out of this without having lost to much money, as it stands murdochy has cost him more than enough time.... i feel bad de op, maybe i should have gone ahead and bought the artic one from ya....

my vote is murdoch is shady.... and i have full trust in de op's reputation
 
Ok this is getting boring....

Schott , Confederate etc i am up for proving that i am telling the truth but lets make a wager.

I bet you all $1000 that i can prove i am telling the truth.

We will all pay the money to an admin who is trustworthy and we will make the whole thing legitimate.
If i can prove that i am telling the truth then i get your money and that is the end of the story.

So who is up for it ?
 
murdoch123 said:
And you sir are just another troll who has came out of the woodwork, you obviously have very little understanding of the world or the internet if you think i would be bothered about the reputaion of "murdoch123".....


I am also a paying member i have been waiting for my account to be activated for nearly 4 weeks.
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I have 1217, no make that 1218 posts over five years of frequenting this forum. I'm probably one of the longest running trolls here then since I haven't been caught yet.

you might not care much about "murdoch123" but chances are, no one is going to do any sort of dealing with you after this display. I highly doubt another screen name is going to help either, because your belligerent attitude is a dead giveaway. take care and good luck with your dealings. :)

ETA- when you get a gold membership, search for your name, matey. ;) its right where it belongs. (if only we could express our profanity here)

Pete
 
I find it interesting that murdoch123's defense begins with attempts to discredit the items he purchased from De Oppresso. A 5 second Google search brings up plenty of information concerning the Green Beret Yarborough Knife Furthermore, with this information already being publicly available no one has ever bothered to call De Oppresso on the knife during the sale here, and the details about the knife are in the open: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450867

Same can be said about the Arctic One, where he clearly defines the knife as being a prototype: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457080

It's also not to hard to find information about the shipping concerns De Oppresso carried as he started a thread asking about shipping these blades overseas here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=459564

I think that email needs to be posted to bring any further evidence into the light. Otherwise, I think the actions of the users in this very thread should help play out where the real issue is.

Also, let's not forget that Murdoch123 has stopped De Oppresso from doing business, and that the knives are still on their way to Murdoch123.

While creating this thread, I see that Murdoch123 has thrown out a $1000 bet. I thought he couldn't afford to pay the customs?
 
Sorry i dont pay $$ for the truth. You can offer it for free or let your own words do the talking. It seems pretty clear in that the way you present yourself speaks for itself. If you somehow post proof that the OP is a lying scumbag, ill be the first to say congrats but also the first to say that you did more damage to yourself than if you had just kept it simple and exposed the liar for who he is. If you claim the OP is lying and marring your name, and that you wanted to skirt the law by declaring below the value you yourself paid, why is it then below your moral compass to expose the truth? Something doesnt add up...thats what everyone here is getting at.
 
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