My Buck 112lw (420hc) just out cut my Spyderco Delica 4 (VG10) - Is this a fluke?

Ankerson said:
I can normally reprofile & sharpen in about 5-10 mins, steel doesn't matter. I am using Silicon Carbide Stones on the Edge Pro, not their OEM stones.

Sharpening alone is less than a min normally. Actually the high hardness super steels are easier because you don't have to chase the burr as much.

I use the Edge Pro and Ceramics for touchups.
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I would wager that you never really let your knives get truly dull.

If you have a knife with ASU8, and a knife with D2, and you use them both until they simply are so blunt that they will not even cut a piece of yarn, and you're using the same Arkansas stone to sharpen both...there's no way they will take the same amount of work or time to obtain a hair popping edge for both.
 
allenC said:
I would wager that you never really let your knives get truly dull.

If you have a knife with ASU8, and a knife with D2, and you use them both until they simply are so blunt that they will not even cut a piece of yarn, and you're using the same Arkansas stone to sharpen both...there's no way they will take the same amount of work or time to obtain a hair popping edge.
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I love me some Arkansas stones, but I wouldn't use them for D2. Maybe honing, but not sharpening. :)

Wait for the coffee mug...
 
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allenC said:
I would wager that you never really let your knives get truly dull.

If you have a knife with ASU8, and a knife with D2, and you use them both until they simply are so blunt that they will not even cut a piece of yarn, and you're using the same Arkansas stone to sharpen both...there's no way they will take the same amount of work or time to obtain a hair popping edge for both.
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I don't use Arkansas stones anymore, haven't for over 30 years.

SIC and India stones took their place a very long time ago.
 
allenC said:
Exactly. ;-)
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No, not exactly.

If I used say a Crystolon on the D2 I'd have it done no time. In fact, probably faster than the AUS8 on a soft Arkansas. It is misleading to judge different steel's sharpening times by the media you choose to use.
 
Eli Chaps said:
No, not exactly.

If I used say a Crystolon on the D2 I'd have it done no time. In fact, probably faster than the AUS8 on a soft Arkansas. It is misleading to judge different steel's sharpening times by the media you choose to use.
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You can't say steel X is just as easy to sharpen as steel Y if you're using different stones or different sharpening methods.

Remember the scientific method...remove all other variables other than the steels themselves.
 
Eli Chaps said:
No, not exactly.

If I used say a Crystolon on the D2 I'd have it done no time. In fact, probably faster than the AUS8 on a soft Arkansas. It is misleading to judge different steel's sharpening times by the media you choose to use.
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Yes, with the newer stuff that is out, I say newer, but a lot of it has been around for decades now it makes no since.

Been using SIC for over 40 years personally, India for over 35 years now.

Mostly SIC still even to this day, with ceramics and diamond compund.
 
allenC said:
You can't say steel X is just as easy to sharpen as steel Y if you're using different stones or different sharpening methods.

Remember the scientific method...remove all other variables other than the steels themselves.
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Having the right tools for the job at hand makes the job both easier and more efficient.

You can cut the grass with a pair of scissors, but a lawn mower is the proper tool for the job.
 
Ankerson said:
Yes, with the newer stuff that is out, I say newer, but a lot of it has been around for decades now it makes no since.

Been using SIC for over 40 years personally, India for over 35 years now.

Mostly SIC still even to this day, with ceramics and diamond compund.
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Here's what I'm saying....

You're in a cabin deep in the woods and you have two knives that appear identical and they both are so dull that they wont even cut your skin.
The only difference between the knives is the blade-steels.
One has D2 and the other has AUS6.

Now you are given the task to sharpen them both to hair popping sharpness.
But the only thing you are given to sharpen them with is a ceramic coffee mug.

Are you seriously saying that you could get them both to equal hair popping sharpness within the exact same amount of effort and time?
 
allenC said:
Here's what I'm saying....

You're in a cabin deep in the woods and you have two knives that appear identical and they both are so dull that they wont even cut your skin.
The only difference between the knives is the blade-steels.
One has D2 and the other has AUS6.

Now you are given the task to sharpen them both to hair popping sharpness.
But the only thing you are given to sharpen them with is a ceramic coffee mug.

Are you seriously saying that you could them both to equal hair popping sharpness within the exact same amount of effort and time?
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I wouldn't be sharpening them on a coffee mug.

I would have proper tools with me.
 
allenC said:
You can't say steel X is just as easy to sharpen as steel Y if you're using different stones or different sharpening methods.

Remember the scientific method...remove all other variables other than the steels themselves.
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I mildly dabble in science all day every day. While I do hate me some variables, I also understand the need to apply the right tools and processes to the material.

I wouldn't try to cast copper in a furnace designed for aluminum.
 
Sharpening is merely deliberate wearing away of steel. Since different steels wear at different rates, well, they simply can't wear at the same rate. Some steels are easier to sharpen with a wider variety of media, since they are less resistant to wear from more types of media. I can't imagine calling a wear resistant steel non-resistant to wear. There's just sharpening implements that vary in the amount of wear they can create for the same effort, but that's not the same as saying the steels respond the same. That's just saying the difference in response a person can readily observe is overwhelmed by the ability of the abrasive for the small task that is sharpening.
 
Eli Chaps said:
I mildly dabble in science all day every day. While I do hate me some variables, I also understand the need to apply the right tools and processes to the material.

I wouldn't try to cast copper in a furnace designed for aluminum.
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I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
 
allenC said:
Yeah, right.

Clearly, you are not serious.
Or you simply have no grasp on reality.
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If I was in a cabin in the woods why wouldn't I have the proper tools with me?

They are part of the standard things that I would take.

The knife that I would have on me would also have a sharpening stone... This is the knife I would have with me, it's part of my gear.

750_2619 by Jim Ankerson, on Flickr
 
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