My Dispute with "The Bright Edge"

all customs have minor flaws my rear end, no they dont, mine sure dont anyway, have 2 darrel ralph knives with F&F to rival anything from anyone imho, nor do any of my other customs exhibit flaws as serious as the bali ya have, so imho thats BS.

if i were you i would be willing to go the distance to NOT pay any restocking fee, thats nonsense imho the knife is defective/flawed.

i have almost bought a duncan a time/2 didnt know his work was inferior i just backed out cause he wanted me to pay up front for the knife, i wont do that. glad i didnt now.

so point being the knife imho is flawed and a restocking fee to take the thing back is BS,

good luck to you.
 
I suppose the knife "could" have been new, but it doesn't look like it to me, recently there was another dealer that was selling "used" as "new" and not telling people.

OR the knife had problem from the beginning and the seller just didn't recognize them due to lack of time or skill. The proper thing to do would be for the seller to have said 'Oh Geeze, I'm sorry, let me see thi pix or the knife".

You can contact the maker, but it sounds like the maker isn't up to the prices they command.

In short the seller should acknowledge his mistake and refund your money, and if the maker can't get his act together, then the seller probably shuldn't sell his knives any more.
 
There are a number of dealers that will not accept a knife that was purchased. . .simply, the maker(s)/manufacturer(s) offer a life-time warrantee and will repair the knife for free, as long as it was a parts/manufacturing defect(s).

Restocking fees are also not uncommon. I've seen them range from 10 - 15%.

Here is an excerpt on "Return/Repair Policy," which is located in the "Terms and Conditions" section of The Bright Edge website.


Return policy; All of the items I sell come with manufacturer warranties. All of the items I sell are brand new never used condition (some of the custom or prototype knives are as is from the makers). Any item you receive that you feel needs to be returned must be approved within 1 business day of receiving it. All returned items must have a return number given to you by me. All returned items will be charged a 15% restocking fee. Any items purchased that have manufacturer defects must be returned to the manufacturer. I will assist in any way I can to get you item repaired or replaced.
 
oops, just read gig1's post w/Bright Edge return policy. Tough deal all away around :(

Barry H
 
What a pile of dogshite - assuming that that the initial backstory is 100% accurate and the dealer indicated that the knife is 100% new with good fit/ finish, he sold you a defective knife which he needs to make right.

Fellas, buy with AMEX whenever you can - they protect the customer far better than the Visas and Mastercards of the world.

A restocking fee is an acceptable policy when the item is sent back due to a change of mind. On the other hand, if you are retailing custom goods, as the seller you are in fact purveying them and inspiring a confidence in your product as being a worthy investment of my hard-earned money as well as my time.

Bright Edge has an obligation to accept the knife back sans fees due to what appears to be a defective product he sold is being shiny and new. If he wants to take it to the maker on his own time/ dime and resolve the issue, then offer it again to Anyone as a first-refusal, then so be it.

Offer the guy an opportunity to take the knife back and forget the restocking charge, then call Visa prior to your statement - like today - and have the charge reversed. Have them mediate the dispute if need be, but this internet world, though getting far smaller, has a lot of room for a guy to get really defensive about this transaction without remorse for selling what is obviously a defective product.

As Mssr. Bright edge has stated:

"I have knives well in the $3,000- $4000.00 range in my collection, there is not a one that is absolutely perfect, or that I would use, they are what they are, hand made customs.

I am sorry you are not happy with the knife, I do not like or agree with what you say. I think your expectations on the knife being a one of a kind custom, hand made knife are unreasonable, and unrealistic.

The knife is tight and against the stops, centered, and true in the open position, being a little bit interested in Bali's, I own several, I can say that in the open position I have never had the need, or the reasoning to latch the handle? It is important to latch it in the closed position, and on
this knife it functions fine!"

I own a couple $3,000 knives and I use them. Hard, in fact. Not much left of the goat carcass when one is finished. As for a lack of flaws, perhaps he ought to check the work of Larry Fuegen for inspiration into what he is willing to spend his money on. It is disappointing to see knife dealers who see them as pretty pocket art and forget completely that knives are tools regardless of cost, and this one don't work right.

My own impression is that Bright Edge is run by an insufferable jackass who needs a solid lesson in manners and it would matter no what he was selling, he will never see my trade.
 
Parker said:
My own impression is that Bright Edge is run by an insufferable jackass. . .


I don't think that it's NECESSARY to bring this type of comment to this thread . :rolleyes:



Parker said:
. . . .needs a solid lesson in manners. . .


:footinmou Maybe you need to practice what you preech. ;)
 
I think that return policy sucks. Here's how i read it:

"I can sell you defective whatever, and if you don't like it, I'll either point you to the manufacturer, or charge you a restocking fee". Basically he's guaranteeing his profit while attempting to insulate himself from the reposibility of selling.
 
I just emailed this thread to Robert.

Let's see what he says.

I have only had good dealings with Bob.
 
IMHO I think this policy does not apply in this case...there were SPECIFIC questions asked about the item and the answers were false probably by ignorance ...and this does not get the seller of the hook
If i had bought that knife i would be eating my shocks by now, `cos i would had never asked about the latch and i wouold had been out of 100$ :eek:
 
I just got off the phone with Bob.

Bob has responded to this on USN (and was cleared) and is not going to respond to this on every forum and I don't blame him.

I will try to sum up some of the points.

Bob was there when Brad finished the knife and I believe that Bob never flipped it.

This knife was originally listed for $1500 and was reduced to $750 (at a loss) and put on the clearance list.

Wouldn't you wonder about a $1500 for $750?

anyone was supposed to call Bob back to discuss the knife and instead just put it on his credit card in the middle of the night (he had to have it so badly :rolleyes: )

anyone did not even ask for a return authorization (which is policy) when he returned it; he just shipped it.

Bob took it back even without a return authorization

Restocking fees cover credit charge fees, shipping fees and this was the first time Bob has EVEN charged a restocking fee, but he did because the guy used his credit card in the middle of the night without talking to Bob first; which he said he would do.

As posted here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3123663#post3123663post3123663

The guy that bought the knife after anyone was very happy with the knife until anyone emailed him and told him how bad he thought the knife was.

Remember, this knife was half price on the clearance list.

IMO, this is a case of an anxious buyer who was not happy with the knife and was trying to accuse Bob of trying to sell a used knife.

I think anyone is just trying to make Bob look bad and it ain't working.
 
I can't go to USN either.

I just want to add; I think anyone should not have bought a $750 knife in the middle of the night with his credit card and he should not have shipped it back without a return authorization.

The $100 charge was just and his way of learning the haarrrrddd way. :D
 
silenthunterstudios said:
Please cut and paste the reply from the thread on USN, most of us can't, or won't, go on USN.

I wouldn't do that, if I were you. USN doesn't take kindly to that type of thing----

USN will find out who did the cutting and take terminal action. If you like visiting both USN and BF, steer clear.

One last thing, please don't turn this thread into a USN vs. BF thread. Thanks


Barry H
 
Barry H said:
...One last thing, please don't turn this thread into a USN vs. BF thread. Thanks Barry H

Barry, this isn't a BF/USN thing.

anyone is just trying to stir up trouble on BF because he didn't like the answers there.
 
The fit of the latch in the open position is unacceptable. It would be unacceptable at the $100 level, let alone $750. I have looked at one or two balisongs over the years, and can assure whomever that any serious collector would agree.
 
Ok, well here goes. Anyone's name is Roger so I will use that as it makes things easier.

Roger called me about the Duncan Damascus Timebomb. I had it on the sale and clearance section of my site along with all of the other Duncan knives I had left from Brad. The sale price was $750.00 from $1500.00. Roger asked me about the knife over the phone, I unlocked my safe got the knife out took it out of the pouch unwraped it from bubble wrap and answered every question Roger had about the knife. He asked me why it was on clearance and I told him of the bad business Brad and I have had and that I do not care of the kinda quality knives Brad puts out. I was loosing money on all the remaining knives but would be happy when rid of all of them. Looking at the records the knife cost me about $1100.00 as part of a many knife deal to pay for some knife making equipment that he could not afford. I picked up the knife From Brad in person and watched him assemble it, sharpen it and polish it out. I packed up the knife took it home took pictures and put it up on my site. Back in Bubble wrap it went back in the pouch and back into my safe. The knife has never been flipped, repaired or refurbished.

So Roger asked me a lot of questions like, how is the knife when latched closed, so I closed and latched it, very tight you have to squeeze the handles to unlatch it, ok, how tight is the knife when opened, I opened it and told him, the blade and handles are very tight no play, he asked will the latch hit the handles when flipped, I said It has never been flipped and I would not flip it but yes the latch would hit the handles when flipped. He asked, can the latch be removed, I said yes, can the latch be put on the other handle, I said yes, he said well I would either take it off to flip it or put an o-ring on the latch so I could flip it without the latch hitting, I was surprised that he was going to flip it but, his decission. Roger was really weird to talk to and asked me several times if I was going to lower the price any more and I ssaid no, he said he felt unsure spending so much on a knife. He said he was going to research it more, call me back the next day with more questions, a yes or a no answer. I said do you want me to hold it for you? He said neo he would take his chances, and call me the next day. I put the knife away and went on my business.

With all of his questions he never once asked me what if I don't like it? I would have told him, DON't BUY IT! Same thing I tell everyone that asks that. Then when they say they want it and what about returning it I say every time, send a money order or check receive the knife, If you don't like it call me right away and there will not be any credit or pay pal fees, you will only have to pay for round trip shipping! If using a credit card or pay pal the fees will not be paid for by me. I tell people this several times a week! He never asked, and when I got home the next day at 8 am he already placed the order by credit card on line without calling me back. I shipped the knife out the same day to him. He got the knife, called me and imediately starting telling me how I sent him a repaired or refurbished knife, that was completely worn out and he could prove it.

Well from there we did not get along very well. The knife was brand new from the maker, never used, flipped etc. There is no evidence of wear on the knife, I explained the marks on the blade, they are from manufacturing, even a post here a guy says his regular time bomb has the same marks, regardless, the knife is brand new from the maker, never used or flipped. He did not wait to talk to me, had to have the knife, never made any other agreement on returning etc, I described the knife honestly to him, he states he was and is fully aware of my policy's. I have lots of fees, involved, my stand is clear on this. The restocking fee as stated on my site clearly says 15% that is $112.50, I charged him $100.00.

The buyer had to have that knife, he ordered it on his own free will by credit card. fees and shipping were incured and he did not like the knife. I don't buy anything without knowing what my options on the product are after the purchase, warranty. return etc. If they are not acceptable to me I either don't buy it or agree and ammend the policy with the seller.

His views were aired on another forum where I was not even a registered member, he did not like the positive things that were said about me and my business practices, so he is now here and I am sure he is not done yet! I can not afford or will I send knives for people to test drive, raise hell on a forum and expect me to pay the fees!

I have a guy that called me Saturday, I have got to return my XXX knife, my wife accepted the package she looked the knife up on the forum and she is pissed I spent so much, I have to return it. What do I do? Send it back, pay the fees, keep it, it is not my problem.

I know now I could have never pleased Roger. Wish he never called, wished he never placed the order on line.

Roger do what you need to do, I was honest and did my best to make your purchase fair, fast, and enjoyable.
 
BrightEdge, Thanks for posting.

IMO that knife was not in a condition where it should have been sold, unless you added a disclaimer "POS:buy at your won risk". Also, again IMO, it really doesn't matter if the knife was marked down, if you're selling it under cost, or what happened after the issue of condition was brough up.

If you knew the knife was a POS, then your should have informed your buyer, or returned it to the manufacturer yourself. It's really that simple.

Knowingly passing crap to customers doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

Is the maker at all making knives anymore? Maybe he can fix it.
 
Here is a post in this same forum from the new owner of the knife we are talking about! I am sure the guy may not feel the same way as Roger contacted him explaining what a junker he got, but he e-mailed me and thanked me for selling him such a great knife and felt happy enough with the deal and the knife to post here.

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Thanks to Robert Bartoli for FREE instant shipping and excellent service. I WILL be buying from him again. Thanks Robert.


Pictures of the bali not shown as he must have used them from my site!

06-14-2005, 08:18 AM
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i agree,bob is a great dealer and i also consider him a good friend
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#3 06-14-2005, 01:25 PM
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Bartone, bart-1, or Robert. It don't matter because you are going to get a great deal on what your buying and a professional on the other end tending to the order! I just completed a flawless transaction and would not hesitate to do so again.
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#4 06-14-2005, 11:31 PM
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wow, nice knife!


Bob is the man and a cool m0f0!
 
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