My knife can change school policy!!!

[AntDog]

Unbelievable how things have changed. When I was in high school I carried a kissing cranes stiletto every day. Used it to sharpen pencils, played the stupid knife game with it at lunch, the whole 9 yards. Sometimes I carried an old timer cave bear, or a Schrade Sharpfinger openly on my belt. Never was a problem.

I had a friend who had a cheapo OTF. Our history teacher always used to say "Nunez, you got that pig sticker?"... He'd whip it out, pop the blade out, teach would cut whatever he needed to cut, and hand it back!

Me and all of my friends were excellent fishermen by that time, and budding to veteran hunters. I would think the school would have had a much bigger problem with the .30-.30 and 12 gauge I had in my gun rack in the parking lot, but they didn't.

Ah, that was a simpler time. Kids were trusted with more responsibilities. It was unheard of for someone to want to shoot up their classmates. Just goes to show you how a few fruit loops can spoil the fun for everybody.

It's probably a good idea not to allow knives in school these days. Kids are nuts. They don't typically have the skill nor the responsibility it takes for a youngster to own a knife. Me and all my friends were in scouts - we all had our "totin' chits". We were out fishing, hiking, camping, hunting, learning knots, swimming in creeks.... Having a blast and staying active. Instead of being raised by video games and sitting on the couch. Kids changed, society changed, so the rules changed.

 

[GIRLYmann]

Hmmm, what an astounding bit of news.
Perhaps there will come a time
When bottled baby food
will become the order of the day...
Excuse me, while I chew on the pacifier!

 

[grownstar]

Unbelievable how things have changed...We were out fishing, hiking, camping, hunting, learning knots, swimming in creeks.... Having a blast and staying active. Instead of being raised by video games and sitting on the couch. Kids changed, society changed, so the rules changed.

Amen to that, brother. I've seen first hand what some of these little boogers do these days. Stuff I wouldn't have been able to get away with when I was coming up. My dad would have whipped my ass, that's for sure.

Hmmm, what an astounding bit of news.
Perhaps there will come a time
When bottled baby food
will become the order of the day...
Excuse me, while I chew on the pacifier!

As long as it's BBQ flavored, I won't complain lol!

 

[Blades&Bullets]

Heh. I do find that traditionals in general (and the Opinel in particular) are less likely to evoke the "that's a weapon" response.
But even with an Opinel, I understand and accept that people see them as weapons. We can't have it both ways... Can't have knives that are designed for combat and glorified as such on TV and then not expect people to freak out at some level. Not when they can point to crime stats and worry about being sued for not having a policy in place.

I understand what you're saying, but in this case the teacher didn't even see the knife. She didn't even know WHO cut up his daughter's apple. It wouldn't have mattered if he used a Case XX Peanut or a switchblade.

Haha you know it! How can you not love this little face??

Aww, she is a cutie. Looks like a good 'drinkin buddy'. By drinking, I mean juice or chocolate milk (YooHoo if you're into the hard stuff).


How long have you been carrying around that ZT? If it isn't main carry knife, what is?

 

[AntDog]

Cute little girl BTW brother! I see she likes Dairy Queen!

 

[grownstar]

Aww, she is a cutie. Looks like a good 'drinkin buddy'. By drinking, I mean juice or chocolate milk (YooHoo if you're into the hard stuff).

How long have you been carrying around that ZT? If it isn't main carry knife, what is?

Haha she stole my heart the moment I heard her very first cries. And yeah, we've been known to throw down some CapriSuns in our time. But the YooHoo is only for me

And the 0561 is on loan from a good friend and member here. I was rotating between the knives pictured below. I guess you could say I'm loyal to this brand haha.

 

[grownstar]

Cute little girl BTW brother! I see she likes Dairy Queen!

Thank you, brother! Means a lot! And what can I say? That's what she likes about Texas

 

[JarrodS]

That sucks. Your thread title is a little misleading. I came in expecting you to have a heroic story that changed the policy for the better.

I didn't. I knew exactly what it was going to be from the title.

So - if a nail needs nailing, how do they do it? A hammer is a dangerous weapon. Scissors? Pencils for crying out loud?

This may seem like a small thing, but it's really not. The terrorists and nut-job shooters have won. As a society we are terrified of everything now. History teaches that when a society experiences fear, that is when it is most vulnerable to facism. It's happening right before our eyes. We need to wake up.

Also, do you think the guy who intends to harm people is going to follow this stupid facist rule? Fearful people can be so goddamn dumb in their quest to make themselves feel all snuggie in their beds.

 

[JarrodS]

I taught in elementary, high school and colleges for years, and there are reasons, based on experience, as to why there are rules for knives and other items within a school setting. School boards have a huge and daunting responsibility to maintain a safe environment for students and staff alike. I'm reminded now of a student teacher that was pushed up against a locker and the young man who was upset with her held a pocket knife to her throat. She quit teaching unfortunately and the student expelled from that school board, permanently.

I don't think students should be allowed to bring knives to school. But just out of curiosity, do you think this little a-hole who decided it would be a good idea to assault a teacher would have followed a "no knives" policy? I do not.

However, allowing students to bring knives to school for any purpose is...foolheardy. Not all young people possess the same amount of maturity, and within any school setting there is always a number of individuals struggling with emotional issues which may flare in unpredictable ways, sometimes with uncontrollable anger.

This wasn't a student. It was a parent. BIG difference. And again, if a parent means to harm someone, is a "no knife" policy going to stop them? I think you need to reevaluate, and perhaps post armed guards at every entrance. Better yet just militarize your whole damn town in the name of safety.

 

[Dingle1911]

Heh. I do find that traditionals in general (and the Opinel in particular) are less likely to evoke the "that's a weapon" response.

But even with an Opinel, I understand and accept that people see them as weapons. We can't have it both ways... Can't have knives that are designed for combat and glorified as such on TV and then not expect people to freak out at some level. Not when they can point to crime stats and worry about being sued for not having a policy in place.

Rule #9!!

BTW, I'm not saying you did anything wrong or are wrong for carrying the ZT. I'm more reacting to the posters who are surprised.

I love Gibbs.

Wish the school would change the policy to allow for tools instead of pre-cutting the apples, brown apples are a no go.

 

[Lost Cosmonaut]

Nice monkey faced Leia, grownstar . I have one somewhere as well, just waiting for it to appreciate properly.

 

[AntDog]

Thank you, brother! Means a lot! And what can I say? That's what she likes about Texas

No problemo. Well deserved compliment from one proud Dad to another!

Indeed! DQ is what my kids like about Texas too!

Hey, what school was it if you don't mind me asking? You can send me an email if you don't want to "put it out there"... I'm just curious. I've had a bad experience like that at my son's middle school. It was pretty unbelievable. The guard was literally going to arrest me for carrying my 3" folder into the school to drop off my son's lunch.... He spotted the clip and went "defense code alpha"!

 

[jprime84]

I taught in elementary, high school and colleges for years, and there are reasons, based on experience, as to why there are rules for knives and other items within a school setting. School boards have a huge and daunting responsibility to maintain a safe environment for students and staff alike. I'm reminded now of a student teacher that was pushed up against a locker and the young man who was upset with her held a pocket knife to her throat. She quit teaching unfortunately and the student expelled from that school board, permanently.

Yes, there are knives in the school kitchen, and all parents and students are aware that a simple request for help with food during the day is quickly and properly addressed. Under proper supervision, students often have access within the classroom or kitchen to knives etc. I've had a number of students helping me in the kitchen with vegetables for a party, and every child carves their own pumpkin. Every student becomes familiar with scalples during science class and often for art processes. However, allowing students to bring knives to school for any purpose is...foolheardy. Not all young people possess the same amount of maturity, and within any school setting there is always a number of individuals struggling with emotional issues which may flare in unpredictable ways, sometimes with uncontrollable anger.

There must be a zero tolerance for some behaviors and actions within a school setting and the rules which are in place have been developed through experience. Every parent should be thankful that their youngsters are in a safe and caring environment when at school.

Not the students, sure. However I dont think grownstar was in there to take classes.

 

[grownstar]

This wasn't a student. It was a parent. BIG difference. And again, if a parent means to harm someone, is a "no knife" policy going to stop them?

You make some interesting points, Jarrod. I have to agree that regardless of the laws/protocols we put into practice, those who seek to do harm will continue to disobey them.

I love Gibbs.

Wish the school would change the policy to allow for tools instead of pre-cutting the apples, brown apples are a no go.

Haha my dad loves Gibbs, as well. He's got about 50 episodes of NCIS dvr'd at home. He's retired now so he's taking his time catching up :thumbup:

Nice monkey faced Leia, grownstar . I have one somewhere as well, just waiting for it to appreciate properly.

I know exactly what you mean lol! That's possibly the worst head sculpt I've ever seen. One day I hope it's worth enough to trade for another ZT

 

[evltcat]

Makes me wonder what THEY'RE going to cut the apples in the kitchen with...

 

[grownstar]

Hey, what school was it if you don't mind me asking? You can send me an email if you don't want to "put it out there"...

Hey brother, I can't email you. I think you need to mess with your settings. You can email me if you'd like.

 

[AntDog]

Hey brother, I can't email you. I think you need to mess with your settings. You can email me if you'd like.

Dang. I think I need to get on a computer for that. I'm on tapatalk on my phone and can't find the settings! Here's my email addy: platedude AT gmail.com

(No spaces, and replace the AT with @... I just do that so bots don't spam me!)

 

[Sonnydaze]

T Schools and other places like that ban them because, surprise, surprise, people use them as weapons there.

IIRC, you must be talking about a child's pencil drawing of a gun or knife, or a kid pointing his finger at another kid...Yeah, these kids should all be kicked out of school.
I recently bought a guy's collection of SAKs, purposely to gift about fifty of them to an Army military rehab hospital...both in Germany and in the U.S. Both politely said "No, thanks" as it goes against their weapons' policy. Here's a pic of these dangerous things...wonder what the soldiers were carrying when they were wounded?...

The same military rehab hospital was eagerly asking for donations of nail clippers...

 

[killgar]

Those who say "Zero-tolerance rules are stupid because they won't stop bad people from carrying weapons onto campus" are only looking at the issue from one perspective. "Zero-tolerance" policies aren't just about trying to keep weapons off school campus, they are also about protecting the school district from lawsuits.

If a student brings a knife onto school property and uses it as a weapon, the school district can say that they had clear rules in place forbidding the carrying of knives onto school property. But if they had no such policy in place, some civil attorney could argue that because the school district had no policy in place forbidding the carrying of knives that this demonstrates a "permissive attitude" toward knives on the part of the district, and therefore the school district is partly liable for the harm caused by the knife. Civil law can be very tricky and based on odd technicalities, and having a "zero-tolerance" policy in place might very well save a school district from having to spend millions in civil judgements.

It's just like when a ladder manufacturer puts a sticker on their ladders that say "Do not stand on the top rung". Such a sticker isn't going to stop the idiots of the world from standing on the top rung, but it can protect the ladder manufacturer from lawsuits when the idiots fall and break their necks.

Zero-tolerance policies might seem frivolous and stupid, but considering how sue-happy people are in this country, can you really blame school districts for trying to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits?

 

[killgar]

I would like to point out that there is a big difference between school policy and THE LAW.

School policy is not THE LAW. School policy is not enforced by the criminal justice system. A student can be expelled for violating school policy, but neither they, nor their parents, can be arrested for violating school policy.

My kids school has a zero-tolerance policy for knives. Students are not allowed to carry ANY knife on campus and they will be expelled if they do. But THE LAW here in California says that it is LEGAL to carry any non-locking folder with a blade no longer than 2.5" on any school campus (CA pc 626.10). So when I go to my kids school, I carry a non-locking folder with a blade no longer than 2.5". I obey THE LAW to avoid being arrested, but I can ignore school policy because I don't have to worry about being expelled. I get to legally carry a knife when visiting my kids school, and I do so with no fear of repercussions.

To know your rights you need to know your local laws.